Thanos vs Superman

Originally posted by leonidas
<<How is Thor's hammer so damn heavy for anyone who's not supposed to use it?>>

that's not agood comparison. thor's hammer to someone unworthy in odin's eyes is like someone trying to lift a simple chair that is bolted to the ground! the chair is not really heavy, but the bolts make it uniltable. and in the case of thor's hammer, only odin has the bolt cutters!. 🙂

<< Jorgamund is the magical concept of infinity. That's why it's so damn hard to lift.>>

he's so damn hard to lift because he's so damn long! perhaps jormungand IS linked with ouruboros (the serpent eating it's tail and equated to infinity - even stands to reason now that i think of it) in real mythology, but in the comicbook, there is no mention of 'infinite mass'.

and in any event, even supposing for the moment you ARE right (which you're not 🙂) if you remove a part from infinity or add a part to infinity what remains is STILL infinity! so in essence, you ARE saying thor has infinite strength. can't have it both ways my friend. can we just settle on the fact that it is REALLY heavy?

What's infinity divided by four...? 😖hifty:

Oh well. It was olympian's argument anyway. 😖hrugs:

I guess it's just REALLY heavy.

Thor has gone up against guys who are as strong as, and even stronger than Superman. Namely, the Savage Hulk. Take a comparison of sundipped Supes War World feat, and look at some of the Hulk's feats. The planetoid that the Hulk pulverized had a mass of over 1.32x10^27 megatons, and he did it with pure muscle. That's about roughly 10,150 times the mass of War World (factoring it's armor, and being generous.) Normal Superman isn't at War World moving strength. Thor usually goes head to head with the Hulk in strength, before the Hulk gets angry. Another good example is Mangog. The Destroyer.

Sundipped Superman pushing War World show a LOT of power, but not necessarily sheer physical strength. If Superman just gave War World a shove, and it flew into the boom tube, I'd be a bit more impressed with his physical strength. Instead, he seems to be projecting a column of sheer force behind him, forcing himself (and War World,) forward. Apparently, he's more powerful than War World's engines. Moving War World is a feat of raw power, and apparently, sheer will.

On that note, it seems that most of Superman's "strength" is some sort of unexplained telekinesis. It's pretty obvious that most of his strength doesn't come from his musculature. Maybe Supes is a latent telepathic/telekinetic?

"Thanos is definitely much stronger than Thor. He has brawled with Thor, Hercules, Thing, and Prof. Hulk simultaneously, while laughing. That was before Death increased his strength"

Nah CC. It was after his power up.

"Mass is accompanied by gravity. Thor didn't lift the entire serpent, but lifting a portion of infinity is certainly impressive"

Magic. Psysicall laws dont apply in the ancient stories - unless - your a normal human. Mythologically speaking the Serpent spelled infinity. Thor didnt lifted the whole serpent ( not even close ) in the myths, unlike the comics. I dont think Marvel ever used the infinity thing in theyr stories regarding the Midgard Serpent, and the fact Thor once pulled it out of Earth indicates to me they "just" use it as a being of finite weight.

"and herc lifting the earth must be very recent - i think i've seen an image of him doing it once, but it was something like a memory, or an imaginary scene"

It was in a story talking about his twelve labours. By Bob layton. Herc twelve labours are cannon in comics. In the myths he held the same thing Atlas did. Let it be Earth or the Heavens.

"Thor and Hercules armwrestling shattered mountains without even struggling, it was posted a scan of it before."

This one?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/Thorvs.jpg

Not only they destroyed the mountain plateu where they wer armwrestling, they wer gerenating enought pressure to knock a Planet out of orbit.

"I`ve yet to see anything different. They do have the birthright book in my local shop...but at the same price they had the whole return of superman and it was about 4 times as thick. I'll be happy to fill you in on any changes once I get the book itself."

Thanks, i recall the Byrne origin having genetic manipulation so i think that changed it for sure.

"How is Thor's hammer so damn heavy for anyone who's not supposed to use it? Jorgamund is the magical concept of infinity. That's why it's so damn hard to lift."

True.

"that's not agood comparison. thor's hammer to someone unworthy in odin's eyes is like someone trying to lift a simple chair that is bolted to the ground!"

Thats in the comics. In the Norse myths it was actually and only a matter of strenght. Thor was the strongest of all the Norse Gods and therefore the one to use the hammer. If theres a version that talks about being worthy i dont know that one...

"On that note, it seems that most of Superman's "strength" is some sort of unexplained telekinesis. It's pretty obvious that most of his strength doesn't come from his musculature. Maybe Supes is a latent telepathic/telekinetic?"

And here i am with Byrne`s origin again. He did made Superman having a telekinetic field around him ( wich was essential in cloning the new Superboy_Connor ). Allowed him more than anything being able to lift really heavy things and not let them crush in its own weight.

And Yahman. Dragging Manhattan in the Mountain strengh feat? I should kill you........ 😛

Whos killing who ??

Originally posted by olympian
"Thanos is definitely much stronger than Thor. He has brawled with Thor, Hercules, Thing, and Prof. Hulk simultaneously, while laughing. That was before Death increased his strength"

Nah CC. It was after his power up.

"Mass is accompanied by gravity. Thor didn't lift the entire serpent, but lifting a portion of infinity is certainly impressive"

Magic. Psysicall laws dont apply in the ancient stories - unless - your a normal human. Mythologically speaking the Serpent spelled infinity. Thor didnt lifted the whole serpent ( not even close ) in the myths, unlike the comics. I dont think Marvel ever used the infinity thing in theyr stories regarding the Midgard Serpent, and the fact Thor once pulled it out of Earth indicates to me they "just" use it as a being of finite weight.

"and herc lifting the earth must be very recent - i think i've seen an image of him doing it once, but it was something like a memory, or an imaginary scene"

It was in a story talking about his twelve labours. By Bob layton. Herc twelve labours are cannon in comics. In the myths he held the same thing Atlas did. Let it be Earth or the Heavens.

"Thor and Hercules armwrestling shattered mountains without even struggling, it was posted a scan of it before."

This one?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/jjschm20/Hercules/Thorvs.jpg

Not only they destroyed the mountain plateu where they wer armwrestling, they wer gerenating enought pressure to knock a Planet out of orbit.

"I`ve yet to see anything different. They do have the birthright book in my local shop...but at the same price they had the whole return of superman and it was about 4 times as thick. I'll be happy to fill you in on any changes once I get the book itself."

Thanks, i recall the Byrne origin having genetic manipulation so i think that changed it for sure.

"How is Thor's hammer so damn heavy for anyone who's not supposed to use it? Jorgamund is the magical concept of infinity. That's why it's so damn hard to lift."

True.

"that's not agood comparison. thor's hammer to someone unworthy in odin's eyes is like someone trying to lift a simple chair that is bolted to the ground!"

Thats in the comics. In the Norse myths it was actually and only a matter of strenght. Thor was the strongest of all the Norse Gods and therefore the one to use the hammer. If theres a version that talks about being worthy i dont know that one...

Their isn't a version about Worthiness, the bit about the hammer I am pleased Marvel kept its the handle being to short, due to a mistake in its manufacture 😕 these Dwarves and their shoddy workmanship.
My fave Thor myth is the one where he lowers the level of the Ocean in a drinking contest with the giants. That said Thor could'nt know much about his beverages to mistake mead for salt water. He's a bit dim in comics as well, but we love him for it. 😂

"Their isn't a version about Worthiness, the bit about the hammer I am pleased Marvel kept its the handle being to short, due to a mistake in its manufacture these Dwarves and their shoddy workmanship"

Yeah. The myths didnt have the wortiness bit. And good call about the dwarfs manufactured part, i forgot about it. It made Thors hammer look more original tho.

Well at least for me 😛

"My fave Thor myth is the one where he lowers the level of the Ocean in a drinking contest with the giants"

Thats the same story where he tried to lift the whole Serpent disguised as a cat and could "only" lift his leg. Loki and some other wer there and had also contests with the Giants like Thor did.

Originally posted by olympian
"On that note, it seems that most of Superman's "strength" is some sort of unexplained telekinesis. It's pretty obvious that most of his strength doesn't come from his musculature. Maybe Supes is a latent telepathic/telekinetic?"

And here i am with Byrne`s origin again. He did made Superman having a telekinetic field around him ( wich was essential in cloning the new Superboy_Connor ). Allowed him more than anything being able to lift really heavy things and not let them crush in its own weight.

And Yahman. Dragging Manhattan in the Mountain strengh feat? I should kill you........ 😛

As far as I know, the field just extends to objects when he picks them up and keeps them from falling apart under their own weight, it doesnt increase his strength. It's also selectively permeable. So you explanation is 🤘

<<Thats in the comics. In the Norse myths it was actually and only a matter of strenght. Thor was the strongest of all the Norse Gods and therefore the one to use the hammer. If theres a version that talks about being worthy i dont know that one...>>

actually magni was stronger. not sure if he's stronger in the comicbook.

<<It was in a story talking about his twelve labours. By Bob layton. Herc twelve labours are cannon in comics. In the myths he held the same thing Atlas did. Let it be Earth or the Heavens.>>

not cannon. i thought that's the issue you were talking about. herc struggled mightily to drag manhattan across the water. what's manhattan to the universe! if he'd truly held the heavens (the firmament, actually, which in myth is equivalent to the UNIVERSE) it would be the greatest strength feat in the history of comics and herc would be the undisputed strongest character ever. he isn't. he has never held it up in a book - the deed is looked on as a legend even in comics. but i WISH he had.

Thanos would own superman any day 🤺 🥷

The title of the 'undisputed strongest character ever' belongs to Hercule's good friend, the Incredible Hulk. 😉

Holding apart the matter antimatter orbs is, in fact, a greater feat than supporting the heavens.

Two orbs of infinite inertial mass, (not to be confused with actual mass, as inertial mass is the resistance of an entity to a change in its velocity relative to an inertial frame, and is not accompanied by gravity,) were converging, with the Hulk standing between them. Hulk was able to resist thier convergance, and even move them apart. Hulk not only resisted the attraction, but when Spiderman told him he couldn't do so, he went as far as punching the anti-matter orb into deep space. Apparently, the Hulk's strength defies all laws of Physics in the Marvel Universe. Considering the fact that the universe has a finite weight, holding apart matter and antimatter surperceeds lifting the weight of the universe.

Greatest feat of strength ever. 😉

thanos beats superman

he has superstrength, superspeed, super invulnerability, energy blasts, psionic blasts, and he's nearly a god

On the subject of misunderstanding infinity have you ever seen the Ali G "How Big is Infinity" sketch. Funny as can be.

<<Holding apart the matter antimatter orbs is, in fact, a greater feat than supporting the heavens.>>

yeah, since i don't feel like going into another physics discussion, i'll say okay to that. but holding the universe still isn't too bad . . .

but he didn't do it. at least not in a comic that actually SHOWED him doing it as opposed to him suggesting he did in some flashback herc or someone else had.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Mass is accompanied by gravity. Thor didn't lift the entire serpent, but lifting a portion of infinity is certainly impressive.>>

cube, we've discussed this before. how can an object of finite size have infinite mass? but even without your infinity bit, it is STILL impressive. and herc lifting the earth must be very recent - i think i've seen an image of him doing it once, but it was something like a memory, or an imaginary scene, or . . . something. he didn't do it 'for real' in the book, na dit wasn't done in continuity - which is why i've never posted a scan of it. i'd be interested in knowing where it is from as well. maybe the new herc ltd series?

<<And how can Hulk overcome the infinite force of the matter-anti matter attraction?>>

you should have directed this question to cosmic cube, since it was his thought i was responding to. i have seen the scan though (it's an OLD hulk) and anyway, it's likely cube will just tell you to ask stan lee. but hulk DID do it and it was impressive.

Its simply bad writing guys 🙂

It's not bad writing. Bad writing would be Hulk acting outside of the parameters of his ability. Stan Lee actually gave a pretty good explanation for it. I'll try and find it for you.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Holding apart the matter antimatter orbs is, in fact, a greater feat than supporting the heavens.>>

yeah, since i don't feel like going into another physics discussion, i'll say okay to that. but holding the universe still isn't too bad . . .

but he didn't do it. at least not in a comic that actually SHOWED him doing it as opposed to him suggesting he did in some flashback herc or someone else had.

Hercules supporting the heavens is mentioned in comics, but I don't think it ever actually happened, in continuity.