"As far as I know, the field just extends to objects when he picks them up and keeps them from falling apart under their own weight, it doesnt increase his strength. It's also selectively permeable. So you explanation is . . "
I didnt said it increased his strenght, i said it allowed him to - use it- and pick up heavy objects without having them crumbling with theyr weight.
"actually magni was stronger. not sure if he's stronger in the comicbook"
He was stronger in the myths yeah. Pretty much twice Thors strenght. If not more but that part im not sure.
"not cannon. i thought that's the issue you were talking about. herc struggled mightily to drag manhattan across the water."
The dragging Manhattan feat is cannon. About struggling, Hulk has that feat CC already talked about and however has struggled with lesser things. Its all in the writters interpretation if laws of physics are applied or not and how much of it.
"The title of the 'undisputed strongest character ever' belongs to Hercule's good friend, the Incredible Hulk"
Friends? I recall Herc has some payback to give first 😉
"And how can Hulk overcome the infinite force of the matter-anti matter attraction?"
Its a myth kind of feat. Like Herc held the heavens for some time. - not more than that - Hulk also made it for some time. He was losing it after some moments.
About wich its cannon or not. Its blurry. The twelve labours are cannon, in comics, its has been stated and showed in flashbacks before ( most recently in the last mini ). Now if Marvel uses the Earth one or Heavens...well ill call it again a writters decision. Hercules Heart of Chaos # 3 has Herc stating about his depowered strengh how he feels the difference when once he had the strenght to shake the Heavens. The Earth one was actually show in a flasback. Both by different writers.
And yeah Thanos wins.
Originally posted by olympian
The dragging Manhattan feat is cannon. About struggling, Hulk has that feat CC already talked about and however has struggled with lesser things. Its all in the writters interpretation if laws of physics are applied or not and how much of it."The title of the 'undisputed strongest character ever' belongs to Hercule's good friend, the Incredible Hulk"
Friends? I recall Herc has some payback to give first 😉
"And how can Hulk overcome the infinite force of the matter-anti matter attraction?"
Its a myth kind of feat. Like Herc held the heavens for some time. - not more than that - Hulk also made it for some time. He was losing it after some moments.
And yeah Thanos wins.
When has Hulk struggled to lift anything? The only force Hulk has yet to overcome is magic.
The laws of physics were applied. Otherwise, the feat would be pointless. The writer intended to showcase the Hulk's limitless strength, and he did.
It was not a mythological feat. Hercules supporting the heavens is a mythological feat. Hulk actually resisted the matter-antimatter attraction, in continuity, in a comic. How did he do it? The Hulk is a child's imaginary freind come to life. His strength isn't limited by the physical laws of the universe. Strength-wise it is possible for him to do anything. These are the words of Stan Lee.
Hulk was losing it? Pfft. Hulk could have held those orbs apart for as long as he needed to. After holding them apart, He punched one of them into deep space, creating a supernova-like explosion. Hulk said, "Bug-man finally believes that Hulk is the strongest one there is?" He was certainly not losing it.
Originally posted by olympian
"As far as I know, the field just extends to objects when he picks them up and keeps them from falling apart under their own weight, it doesnt increase his strength. It's also selectively permeable. So you explanation is . . "I didnt said it increased his strenght, i said it allowed him to - use it- and pick up heavy objects without having them crumbling with theyr weight.
"actually magni was stronger. not sure if he's stronger in the comicbook"
He was stronger in the myths yeah. Pretty much twice Thors strenght. If not more but that part im not sure.
"not cannon. i thought that's the issue you were talking about. herc struggled mightily to drag manhattan across the water."
The dragging Manhattan feat is cannon. About struggling, Hulk has that feat CC already talked about and however has struggled with lesser things. Its all in the writters interpretation if laws of physics are applied or not and how much of it.
"The title of the 'undisputed strongest character ever' belongs to Hercule's good friend, the Incredible Hulk"
Friends? I recall Herc has some payback to give first 😉
"And how can Hulk overcome the infinite force of the matter-anti matter attraction?"
Its a myth kind of feat. Like Herc held the heavens for some time. - not more than that - Hulk also made it for some time. He was losing it after some moments.
About wich its cannon or not. Its blurry. The twelve labours are cannon, in comics, its has been stated and showed in flashbacks before ( most recently in the last mini ). Now if Marvel uses the Earth one or Heavens...well ill call it again a writters decision. Hercules Heart of Chaos # 3 has Herc stating about his depowered strengh how he feels the difference when once he had the strenght to shake the Heavens. The Earth one was actually show in a flasback. Both by different writers.
And yeah Thanos wins.
I was giving you props...the strength comment was for CC.. 😆
<<When has Hulk struggled to lift anything? The only force Hulk has yet to overcome is magic.>>
he struggled like hell to hold up that mountain range in secret wars. 🙂 they had to really piss him off to make sure he didn't drop it. not that i'm down playing the feat or anything. that was awesome. and i agree - hulk IS the strongest there is! he just doesn't always get his due on this forum for some reason. and i agree too that he WASN'T losing it with the orbs. didn't he thrust them apart THEN punch that one?
the 12 labors are . . . skirted by most writers. they DO come up on occasion, but they are rarely dwelled upon and it is never clear if they did indeed happen - at least it's unclear if they happened exactly the way they did in the myths. i can't imagine any writer would ever come right out and say herc held the earth or (even less likely) the 'heavens' - it would be too far beyond what most characters can be reasonably shown to do.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
When has Hulk struggled to lift anything? The only force Hulk has yet to overcome is magic.The laws of physics were applied. Otherwise, the feat would be pointless. The writer intended to showcase the Hulk's limitless strength, and he did.
It was not a mythological feat. Hercules supporting the heavens is a mythological feat. Hulk actually resisted the matter-antimatter attraction, in continuity, in a comic. How did he do it? The Hulk is a child's imaginary freind come to life. His strength isn't limited by the physical laws of the universe. Strength-wise it is possible for him to do anything. These are the words of Stan Lee.
Hulk was losing it? Pfft. Hulk could have held those orbs apart for as long as he needed to. After holding them apart, He punched one of them into deep space, creating a supernova-like explosion. Hulk said, "Bug-man finally believes that Hulk is the strongest one there is?" He was certainly not losing it.
Yeeeeesindeed
Originally posted by leonidas
<<When has Hulk struggled to lift anything? The only force Hulk has yet to overcome is magic.>>he struggled like hell to hold up that mountain range in secret wars. 🙂 they had to really piss him off to make sure he didn't drop it. not that i'm down playing the feat or anything. that was awesome. and i agree - hulk IS the strongest there is! he just doesn't always get his due on this forum for some reason. and i agree too that he WASN'T losing it with the orbs. didn't he thrust them apart THEN punch that one?
the 12 labors are . . . skirted by most writers. they DO come up on occasion, but they are rarely dwelled upon and it is never clear if they did indeed happen - at least it's unclear if they happened exactly the way they did in the myths. i can't imagine any writer would ever come right out and say herc held the earth or (even less likely) the 'heavens' - it would be too far beyond what most characters can be reasonably shown to do.
All true. Hulk did struggle to hold up the mountain in the Secret Wars. Reed had to call him names to make him stronger. But we all know that the Hulk's strength can increase geometrically when angered, and his strength level varies drastically from incarnation to incarnation.
Savage Hulk (the Hulk's strongest incarnation) was the one that seperated the matter and antimatter orbs. Banner-Controlled Hulk, (the one that supported the mountain range,) has a harder time getting stronger, and tapping his infinite potential for strength.
Stan (the man) says that the Savage Hulk is the strongest Hulk, because he is the product of a child's imagination, while the others represent Bruce at different stages in his life. During the Bruce's childhood, he felt completely powerless before his father. In his mind, he created a "friend" who would always be strong enough to protect him and his mother from his father, no matter what. When Bruce got hit by the Gamma Bomb, it gave his childhood friend physical form.
It's true, Hulk doesn't often get his due on this board. But I'm very glad to hear these words coming from you. You have no idea how much I value your opinion. Anyone would be lucky to have you on their side in a debate. 😉
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I was giving you props...the strength comment was for CC.. 😆
I understand, Avvy. I'm just not sure if Supes strength is a result of his musculature. It's completely possible that his punches are a result of telekinetic force. It would be a perfect explaination of how his powers coincide.
Superman will be better understood for all of us, in the future. But as it stands, he's an enigma.
Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I understand, Avvy. I'm just not sure if Supes strength is a result of his musculature. It's completely possible that his punches are a result of telekinetic force. It would be a perfect explaination of how his powers coincide.Superman will be better understood for all of us, in the future. But as it stands, he's an enigma.
His strength is TK...thats how he lifts impossibly large objects that would otherwise crumble under their own weight.
thanks cube.
🙂
and if it ever DOES come out that supe's powers are primarily tk based, that would change the character forever. but i think that might be kinda cool. i read somewhere taht IF he ever learns to tap his latent tk powers, his powers would only be ltd by his strength of will. now THAT would be one badass version of superman . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
thanks cube.🙂
and if it ever DOES come out that supe's powers are primarily tk based, that would change the character forever. but i think that might be kinda cool. i read somewhere taht IF he ever learns to tap his latent tk powers, his powers would only be ltd by his strength of will. now THAT would be one badass version of superman . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
thanks cube.🙂
and if it ever DOES come out that supe's powers are primarily tk based, that would change the character forever. but i think that might be kinda cool. i read somewhere taht IF he ever learns to tap his latent tk powers, his powers would only be ltd by his strength of will. now THAT would be one badass version of superman . . .
Indeed it would. I honestly think that it is some sort of TK. Think about it. How would "bench pressing" War World move it through space? It would be like Superman doing push-ups. Instead, there's a column of power, just sheer force, propelling Superman, and War World, into the boom tube. TK is the only logical explaination.