Originally posted by h1a8First you have to prove Ds is Thanos' superior. You see when you make a claim in a debate just stating it isn't good enough you need to prove it. Provide scans or at least explain why you feel darkseid is superior to Thanos.
I disagree. It is clear that Superman is more than strong enough and fast enough to combo Thanos to ko.Hell, I view DS as Thanos physical superior and we all know what Superman can do to him.
Originally posted by h1a8You disagree because you dont have proof to back yourself up.
I disagree. It is clear that Superman is more than strong enough and fast enough to combo Thanos to ko.Hell, I view DS as Thanos physical superior and we all know what Superman can do to him.
You mean the misconception that Superman beats down Darkseid, and using physical feats against DS aint good when he nearly died when Doomsday kneed him in the face and banged his head into a wall.
Originally posted by Nihilist
You disagree because you dont have proof to back yourself up.You mean the misconception that Superman beats down Darkseid, and using physical feats against DS aint good when he nearly died when Doomsday kneed him in the face and banged his head into a wall.
I proved it already. Just not the type of proof you are looking for. The only proof isn't just showing an exact feat of what is mentioned.
For example, prove that Thanos can lift a mountain by showing me an instance of him lifting one.
HP Doomsday is far far above Thanos, Superman, and DS in the physical department. He can knee anyone in the face and seriously damage or kill them.
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. It is clear that Superman is more than strong enough and fast enough to combo Thanos to ko.Hell, I view DS as Thanos physical superior and we all know what Superman can do to him.
Vulcan can fly at light speed in space.
Flight doesnt equal combat speed.
I want you to show me a fight like the flash vs zoom fight where Supes is fighting at light speed.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Him being tagged by slower characters and then later reacting at faster speed proves nothing, that kind of thing is a frequent occurence in a book featuring Supes or Flash. And yeah, if you're claiming that Thanos kept his attributes amped, then the burden of proof is on you.He doesn't one shot the shield, it takes a full on shot to shatter it then a backhand to actually break it. And I don't doubt that he amped various attributes at various points throughout the fight so it's very likely that an amped shot is what broke Cap's shield, but that doesn't mean that he faced off against a solo Captain America with his reflexe's amped.
Moved his hand/ducked.
The difference is that Superman and Flash have repeatedly proven their level of speed, contrary to Thanos. It's one thing to say that it's PIS for random villain #6 to tag Superman/Flash due to their shown combat speed, and it's another to use an instance of a specifically amped Thanos, demonstrated and spelled out throughout the entire issue, reacting to something moving far in excess of lightspeed and deeming everything else as a false-showing of Thanos' level of speed. According to you. I add according to you because we haven't even reached the point where we discuss the scene itself, but only the validity of this showing being applicable to Thanos in his normal powerset.
I don't need to prove that Thanos was amped because, like I already pointed out, the issue in its entirety, from action to statements, make that clear. You're reaching, trying to make it seem as if we need some kind of "And now, with my Infinity Gauntlet amped speed, I manage to avoid Surfer's attack!" but the truth is, we don't need to. The same way we didn't need it when Thanos destroyed Captain America' shield, or the various actions done throughout the scene, didn't need to have each one be specified as amped Thanos doing it, not only because the issue makes it perfectly clear that he still retains the Infinity Gauntlet's power but also because Thanos' entire history, when in normal circumstances, doesn't lend credit to the ideea of Thanos having vastly faster than light speed, and it's ridiculous to think otherwise, from any standpoint.
That would be the last I want to say on this "Let's go in circles with me trying to desperately make this out-of character and amped showing for Thanos applicable in normal circumstances!" stance of yours, btw.
Originally posted by h1a8You never proved anything, you didnt show Superman ftl speedblitzing with a combo ko, or even anything indictating that he did that, and you keep saying Thanos will get koed physically, what are yoy basing this off, all the times Thanos has been koed ? 😂
I proved it already. Just not the type of proof you are looking for. The only proof isn't just showing an exact feat of what is mentioned.
For example, prove that Thanos can lift a mountain by showing me an instance of him lifting one.HP Doomsday is far far above Thanos, Superman, and DS in the physical department. He can knee anyone in the face and seriously damage or kill them.
The point is for instance if i ever had said Thanos could lift a mountain or has,i would need to show proof of something of a feat/s.But you need to show something similar to back up your claim with blitz combo stuff.
HP Doomsday isnt far far above Thanos the physical department at all, Thanos took harder hits from,PG Thor,Magus w/IG and Tryant and wasnt on the verge of death.
Originally posted by Nihilist
You never proved anything, you didnt show Superman ftl speedblitzing with a combo ko, or even anything indictating that he did that, and you keep saying Thanos will get koed physically, what are yoy basing this off, all the times Thanos has been koed ? 😂The point is for instance if i ever had said Thanos could lift a mountain or has,i would need to show proof of something of a feat/s.But you need to show something similar to back up your claim with blitz combo stuff.
HP Doomsday isnt far far above Thanos the physical department at all, Thanos took harder hits from,PG Thor,Magus w/IG and Tryant and wasnt on the verge of death.
I did show it. Superman blitzed combo-ed faster than his HV can move. If someone can causally (practically yawning) block a light speed attack from 5ft away then what the hell would they do to a punch moving at the same speed or less? That's right, easily block it too while yawning. Also vibrating through solid attacks take FTL movement.
How do you know how much force Thanos was hit by Magus? I've seen Thanos hit normal beings with the COMPLETE IG and they were ok. So I guest normal beings have greater durability than CA's shield. 🙄 Also it is unknown how much the PG amped Thor. So the feat is unquantifiable. Going by appearances it didn't seem the PG amped him any bit, but only after he was trapped in the block.
Trust me, if DD goes ape shit on Thanos it would be over in a matter of seconds.
So are you saying you can prove Thanos can lift a mountain by deducing it from another feat? Or are you saying that Thanos can't lift a mountain?
Originally posted by h1a8
I did show it. Superman blitzed combo-ed faster than his HV can move. If someone can causally (practically yawning) block a light speed attack from 5ft away then what the hell would they do to a punch moving at the same speed or less? That's right, easily block it too while yawning. Also vibrating through solid attacks take FTL movement.How do you know how much force Thanos was hit by Magus? I've seen Thanos hit normal beings with the COMPLETE IG and they were ok. So I guest normal beings have greater durability than CA's shield. 🙄 Also it is unknown how much the PG amped Thor. So the feat is unquantifiable. Going by appearances it didn't seem the PG amped him any bit, but only after he was trapped in the block.
Trust me, if DD goes ape shit on Thanos it would be over in a matter of seconds.So are you saying you can prove Thanos can lift a mountain by deducing it from another feat? Or are you saying that Thanos can't lift a mountain?
That wasnt faster than light speed. He shot heat vision, the guy block it, then he blitzed the guy AFTER the guy blocked it. Quicksilver could have done that.
Vibrating through light speed attacks? Prove that the attacks was light speed, then you forgot the fact that the doomsday that you are referring to was being weakened during the entire fight (I would have loved you in the Superman vs Goku debate because what you are saying would have goku at the speeds over even the flash. Ask the mods to open it back up).
Originally posted by carver9
That wasnt faster than light speed. He shot heat vision, the guy block it, then he blitzed the guy AFTER the guy blocked it. Quicksilver could have done that.Vibrating through light speed attacks? Prove that the attacks was light speed, then you forgot the fact that the doomsday that you are referring to was being weakened during the entire fight (I would have loved you in the Superman vs Goku debate because what you are saying would have goku at the speeds over even the flash. Ask the mods to open it back up).
But the guy practically yawned when he did it. That would mean that if Superman's attack was any slower than the HV then the guy could just stop each punch just as easily right? If not then I really don't see how Thor being shown to stop a beam from even further back is going to stop Superman from blitzing him either.
NO Superman was intangible otherwise the fist wouldn't have passed through him. Moving under light speed can't achieve intangibility but rather gained mass (by D.C. comic science).
Originally posted by h1a8You never showed Superman ftl blitzing with shit loads of punches that koed, especialy to someone with Thanos durability.
I did show it. Superman blitzed combo-ed faster than his HV can move. If someone can causally (practically yawning) block a light speed attack from 5ft away then what the hell would they do to a punch moving at the same speed or less? That's right, easily block it too while yawning. Also vibrating through solid attacks take FTL movement.
How do you know how much force Thanos was hit by Magus?Seeing as he punched him full on in the face with the gauntlet on, being amped by the gems,before Magus had the gems he easily beat the crap ouf of Kang who wears advanced futuristic body armor
I've seen Thanos hit normal beings with the COMPLETE IG and they were ok.Thanos never hit anyone physically with the full IG, the only peolpe he hit was Firelord who he koed with a slap, broke cap shield with two hits, and killed him with one, all that was when he had lowered his power lvls.
So I guest normal beings have greater durability than CA's shield.[/quoute]You need to read stuff before opening your mouth. [quote]Also it is unknown how much the PG amped Thor. So the feat is unquantifiable. Going by appearances it didn't seem the PG amped him any bit, but only after he was trapped in the block.More lowballing crap, the way he went through multiple guys and his fight alone with Thanos( including the punishment he took from Thanos, a weaker pre res Thanos floored Thor with his eye beams, this Thor waled through his blasts)
Trust me, if DD goes ape shit on Thanos it would be over in a matter of seconds.Bullshit, the amount of punishment Thanos took from Tyrant(who is far more powerfull than DD),Odin, PG Thor and the Thanos doppleganger(who was more powerfull than Thanos) easily show DD aint ending it in seconds, only a fool would think so.
So are you saying you can prove Thanos can lift a mountain by deducing it from another feat? Or are you saying that Thanos can't lift a mountain? [/B]If claimed Thanos could do such a thing, i would show him lifting a object of similar weight or lifting feats comparable to someone who has lifted a mountain/mountains weight.
Originally posted by NihilistSo you can deduce that Thanos has ftl yet I can't?
You never showed Superman ftl blitzing with shit loads of punches that koed, especialy to someone with Thanos durability.
Thanos hit people with the COMPLETE IG and they were fine, read the story again. Those beings he hit aren't as durable as CA's shield. What are you talking about? Magus hit Thanos with an INCOMPLETE IG. Big difference. Thanos was far above normal levels, destroying CA shield with a blow is proof enough. You got to be an idiot if you think he can do that without any gems whatsoever. I disagree that Tyrant is physically more powerful than HP DD.
Seeing as he punched him full on in the face with the gauntlet on, being amped by the gems,before Magus had the gems he easily beat the crap ouf of Kang who wears advanced futuristic body armor Thanos never hit anyone physically with the full IG, the only peolpe he hit was Firelord who he koed with a slap, broke cap shield with two hits, and killed him with one, all that was when he had lowered his power lvls. More lowballing crap, the way he went through multiple guys and his fight alone with Thanos( including the punishment he took from Thanos, a weaker pre res Thanos floored Thor with his eye beams, this Thor waled through his blasts)
Bullshit, the amount of punishment Thanos took from Tyrant(who is far more powerfull than DD),Odin, PG Thor and the Thanos doppleganger(who was more powerfull than Thanos) easily show DD aint ending it in seconds, only a fool would think so.
Can Thanos lift a mountain? If so then why?
If claimed Thanos could do such a thing, i would show him lifting a object of similar weight or lifting feats comparable to someone who has lifted a mountain/mountains weight.
Originally posted by h1a8My god you miss the whole point, which was ko'ing someone with a very high Durability with a blitz combo, which Superman didnt show,
So you can deduce that Thanos has ftl yet I can't?
The guy practically yawned when he blocked a light speed attack from 5ft away. If Superman punches slower then why in the hell wouldn't the guy block those while yawning too? Use common sense man. You are even ignoring the writer's intentions.
Thanos hit people with the COMPLETE IG and they were fine, read the story again. Those beings he hit aren't as durable as CA's shield. What are you talking about? Magus hit Thanos with an INCOMPLETE IG. Big difference. Thanos was far above normal levels, destroying CA shield with a blow is proof enough. You got to be an idiot if you think he can do that without any gems whatsoever.So you missed the bit after killed Captain America ...ect, where he said i will now put my self back to FULL POWER, the reason i used Thanos easily physically swatting peolpe around is to show how powerfull the Magus was still without the reality gem, in the same way Thanos lowered his pwer lvl
I disagree that Tyrant is physically more powerful than HP DD.Then you are wrong, Tyrant easily smashed Surfer,Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator,Terrax,Jack of Hearts and Ganymede at once, and Morg earlier.
Can Thanos lift a mountain? If so then why? [/B]😂 Stop trying to side track this, i never said any crap of this sort so its irrelevant. And as you are aiming for a anlge from the point( is Thanos physically powerfull) how many mountain did HP DD lift.
Originally posted by galactusischere
Surfer's speed>>Superman's speed
Thanos's reflexes/reaction time>Surfer's speed.need more proof?
http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/uu355/ankur29/?action=view¤t=ThanosB.jpg
Speed: Enchanced Human
Reflexes: Enchanced Human
Agility: Enchanced Human
Note: With the IG, all of Thanos's attributes, except for his intelligence, are at their maximum Level.
Originally posted by NihilistTo be honest I can't prove that Superman koed someone except DD by showing that he did it. I can only prove it by using clear logic. It is clear that Superman can stun Thanos with his blows and it is clear that Superman is fast enough to land another blow before the stun effect wears off. This proves that Superman can combo Thanos to ko.
My god you miss the whole point, which was ko'ing someone with a very high Durability with a blitz combo, which Superman didnt show,
So you missed the bit after killed Captain America ...ect, where he said i will now put my self back to FULL POWER, the reason i used Thanos easily physically swatting peolpe around is to show how powerfull the Magus was still without the reality gem, in the same way Thanos lowered his pwer lvl Then you are wrong, Tyrant easily smashed Surfer,Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator,Terrax,Jack of Hearts and Ganymede at once, and Morg earlier.
If I have all my powers except one then I wouldn't be wrong if I say I'm not at full power. What is clear is that Thanos performed feats that would be impossible for him to do with the IG. This proves he was amped far above normal levels. So his feats with the IG are invalid to normal Thanos.
No. my point is that you are asking me to prove something by showing it explicitly. Many things can't be done this way but only inferred or deduced. For example, Thanos can't be proven to be able to lift a mountain by showing it but he can be proven to do so by deduction or inference.
😂 Stop trying to side track this, i never said any crap of this sort so its irrelevant. And as you are aiming for a anlge from the point( is Thanos physically powerfull) how many mountain did HP DD lift.
Originally posted by h1a8
DS's telepathy has better feats yet he can't affect Superman. Superman has resisted other telepathic assaults as well.
Thanos is no Xavier.
X-man couldn't even touch Thanos' mind and the Titan was faaaar more instrumental in telepathically assaulting the goddess than Professor X was. Not to mention directly having better feats against Galactus, to whom an amplified Xavier was barely noticeable telepathically 😐
