Originally posted by h1a8Superboy Prime can punch your logic. True story.
It's logically impossible to reach any speed instantly.SS was moving with constant acceleration (not constant speed) since he was exerting constant force.
With constant force comes constant acceleration. My math is correct.
You assume he's exerting constant force. Accordingly, you assumed he's moving with a constant acceleration. That's a faulty methodology. You cannot predict exact acceleration at any given point with only total distance and time travelled. You cannot even predict exact velocity at any given point.
Example: I drove 100 miles in 1 hour. Can you predict at any point during that journey, my exact velocity with a simple equation? Answer: No. I could have been going 50 mph for part of the way and 200 mph another part of the way and you'd never know. You could only surmise that I was, on average, travelling at 100 mph the whole way.
If you cannot even predict my exact velocity at any point during the journey based only on total distance and time travelled, how can you possibly expect to predict the change in velocity over the change in time, i.e., acceleration? Your math is wrong because you're applying it incorrectly.
Originally posted by 753No! That was a response to someone who sidetracked the thread claiming that SS is faster than Superman in battle where this thread is about Thanos vs. Superman and not SS vs. Superman.
Your original post preceding all of this:"Superman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SS in speed within battle distance. Both can reach anyspeed they desire provided they accelerate to that speed. SS has never been able to reach light speed within the first 3m of battle. I once did a calculation of some of his best travel feats to prove this."
I've prove it several times already that he can. There is a scan that shows Superman exceeding the speed of his hv within 3m of travel and him vibrating through attacks instantly.1. You are yet to prove that SM can reach insta-lightspeed or even lightspeed in under 3 meters.
I will redo it tomorrow. I've already done it a while back though (hence my initial claim).
2. Redo the math on IG using a second (still a lot longer than it takes to throw a punch by a regular human), if he reached 40% of light using the 3 second estimative, how fast would it take using an actual punch speed?3. Do the math on the half a million light years, use a full minute or an whole hour of travel, if it pleases you. Even though it certainly did not take that long.
No! Not instant acceleration but You mean instantaneous travel without it being teleportation. If force is constant then acceleration would be also in the Marvel universe. They don't use special relativity in their universe.
4. ODG was right, there is no reason to assume constant acceleration and it is, in fact, not logically impossible to reach any speed instantly. It is only impossible for a square circle to exist because both forms are mental abstractions and their concepts are mutually exclusive, we cant imagine said form. The same does not apply to instantaneous accelaration.
There are different levels of logic. Animals can understand logic at a very basic level. Human's can at a much higher level. Yet there is logic where humans can't understand. Every truth in existence is logical. It's just that we may not understand that truth. Logically impossible has nothing to do with facts but truth. Fact is not always truth. Without logic, everything would be nonsense (even this comic debating stuff). Nonsense can't exist as truth, otherwise it wouldn't be nonsense but just misunderstood stuff.
Not to mention that the very idea of inherent impossibility of the 'logically impossible' is a grotesque and mistaken valorization of rationalism discourse over empiricism and the search for actual facts. Logic is a culturally influenced human mental faculty not the nature of the cosmos and to assume so is beyond bizarre.
Originally posted by h1a8
I've prove it several times already that he can. There is a scan that shows Superman exceeding the speed of his hv within 3m of travel and him vibrating through attacks instantly.
Originally posted by h1a8
No! That was a response to someone who sidetracked the thread claiming that SS is faster than Superman in battle where this thread is about Thanos vs. Superman and not SS vs. Superman.
I've prove it several times already that he can. There is a scan that shows Superman exceeding the speed of his hv within 3m of travel and him vibrating through attacks instantly.
I will redo it tomorrow. I've already done it a while back though (hence my initial claim).
No! Not instant acceleration but You mean instantaneous travel without it being teleportation. If force is constant then acceleration would be also in the Marvel universe. They don't use special relativity in their universe.
There are different levels of logic. Animals can understand logic at a very basic level. Human's can at a much higher level. Yet there is logic where humans can't understand. Every truth in existence is logical. It's just that we may not understand that truth. Logically impossible has nothing to do with facts but truth. Fact is not always truth. Without logic, everything would be nonsense (even this comic debating stuff). Nonsense can't exist as truth, otherwise it wouldn't be nonsense but just misunderstood stuff.
Fine, I'll wait.
Logic is the study of reasoning and reason is a mental process of the observer not an objective property of observed reality, we make sense out of things, they dont make sense on their own. If humans are not be able to comprehend reality, would the term logical still apply to reality when we cannot make statements about it and verify them through logic? Reality would be nonsense to us (provided we look at it through formal logic, as there are other forms of cognition and understanding), but would remain real. So nonsensical and illogical things can exist. Looking at facts (reality) regardles of their logical truth is more important for adequately describing the world.