Originally posted by long pig
But...but....but...he can win ALL physical fights. He's stronger(although he's never shown it)Faster(although he's never shown it) and more durable(although he's never shown to be) than EVERYONE, including Superman. So he one shot ko's him. Thanos wins via shield......
kinda
Originally posted by h1a8
1. That's on his ship. Ships have teleporting powers.2. Superman can easily get back. It's not like the ship can teleport him to another dimension or something.
3. You never see Thanos do that outside his ship. Even when he teleports he usually gives the command first.
4. Thanos doesn't fight like that. Otherwise, Superman will certainly blitz him before he can move a millimeter.
1. Read the story. It's not Thanos' ship teleporting them, Thanos did it under his own power casually via waving his hand.
2. Not if he doesn't know where he is. And again, it's not Thanos' ship teleporting. It's Thanos. READ THE STORY.
3. Wrong. Thanos has teleported himself and other people multiple times outside his ship and without giving a command.
4. Thanos can and does fight like that. He BFR Champion with a point of his finger when he threatened him. He's also used teleportation on himself to dodge Surfer's blasts.
Originally posted by vince_sliceSuperman can hear across galactic distances.
1. Read the story. It's not Thanos' ship teleporting them, Thanos did it under his own power casually via waving his hand.2. Not if he doesn't know where he is. And again, it's not Thanos' ship teleporting. It's Thanos. READ THE STORY.
3. Wrong. Thanos has teleported himself and other people multiple times outside his ship and without giving a command.
4. Thanos can and does fight like that. He BFR Champion with a point of his finger when he threatened him. He's also used teleportation on himself to dodge Surfer's blasts.
Originally posted by vince_slice
1. Read the story. It's not Thanos' ship teleporting them, Thanos did it under his own power casually via waving his hand.2. Not if he doesn't know where he is. And again, it's not Thanos' ship teleporting. It's Thanos. READ THE STORY.
3. Wrong. Thanos has teleported himself and other people multiple times outside his ship and without giving a command.
4. Thanos can and does fight like that. He BFR Champion with a point of his finger when he threatened him. He's also used teleportation on himself to dodge Surfer's blasts.
I don't doubt Thanos would beat Superman, just not in a slugfest. Using his cowardly battle tactics and esoteric powers he would beat Superman.
Originally posted by Juntai
Superman can hear across galactic distances.
Also, he saw Warworld coming from a massive distance, it was outside of our solar system, iirc, also they said if he squints, he can see the edge of the universe from Earth.
He also knows a vast portion of known space.
He has crossed star systems in a few moments time, to get back to Earth, how far has Thanos teleported someone when battlefield removing them? Any examples?
When ever Thanos does teleport or BFR people there's usually no quantifiable distance stated.
He teleported Champion to the Surfer from his home. He teleported Surfer and Spidey back to earth from his ship. His ship was located in some part of the universe where planets were purple. He teleported himself and baby Runner into Grandmaster's ship from somewhere in space. A Thanosi teleported himself and others in and out of Asgard.
I'm sure there's more. There might be one with a quantifiable distance some where but those were just off the top of my head.
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Edit* So Juntai you believe that Thanos has extremely high durability and you're willing to give Thanos the nod in that department over Superman?
Originally posted by Juntai
1) No, they aren't peers to Superman. I've already shown the levels of difference between them. Superman lets people believe they are. Just like he let Supergirl believe she was on his level. I've given numerous examples of this. When he stops holding himself down purposely, he's beyond Darkseid, beyond Thanos. To the point that his herald 'peers' are no longer a valid threat to him even in groups, or for those that are on his side, sit idly by watching him go and saying "This is a job for Superman."2)Perhaps. Thanos has good durability. I've admitted that. Superman has great showings of durability too.
3) More versatile, most of which will be useless against him in this battle, such as his so called telepathy you were claiming earlier in the thread that I quickly dismissed. The fact is, it will most often come down to a slug fest, just as it often does in comics.
4)I don't know where you get this idea that every arc he's in that he gets beat up and comes back to win later. I suppose it's just a matter of the fact that you don't read Superman's comics at all. However, I've pointed out examples of Superman taking down impressive groups of herald levelers, with LESS difficulty than Thanos. And also how he's levels above Darkseid, who treats heralds with less difficulty than Thanos.
5)Superman doesn't kill. It's an intrinsic difference between the characters portrayals. Superman's striking power is on a different level, just as his strength is on a different level. Superman's feats of striking and lifting are greater than the heralds that Marvel has to offer. Just because guys like Hulk or Thor, have done things once in their 40 year history, at their ultimate moments- the type of things that Superman can do without stressing, issue to issue, does not put them in his class of power. I've went over all of this before.
6) Shows how very behind the times you are, Darkseid hasn't been Superman's superior since the 80's and early 90s. He's still everyone elses, but matches against Superman haven't gone good for him. In fact, in their last probably 6 matchups, he's barely even registered as a threat to Clark. But I understand how it's important to your argument to imagine that we're using pre Death of Superman version of Superman. Just as you Marvel fans like using feats from the 60's and 70's Silver Age to back up why some characters might be in a bracket that they are no longer in and haven't been for a long time.
And lastly, I know what you're trying to do, but what we use on this forum to guage is feats, and Superman is faster, stronger, hits harder, has better hand speed, is a better overall fighter, etc than Thanos is, by feats. Superman plays to the level of his competition on Earth, but clearly demonstrates exactly when he means to that they aren't on his level. Even his other peers KNOW they aren't on his level. I've given examples of all of this. I've given examples of a character on Thanos' level, who barely registers as threat to Superman.
As for Despero?
He had to mind control the league to help him fight Superman.
http://imageshack.us/f/245/351095430ip.jpg/But as you can see, the few times he came in close to Superman without Superman's own friends between them;
he gets rocked.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/179/550355420jq.jpg/he gets thrown into a chokehold;
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/245/351095430ip.jpg/It ends right after this when Zatanna starts throwing magic around.
But hey, you know, if you want to use examples from the 80s and 90s, just like you'd like to do for Darkseid, I'd suggest to go ahead, but it has no bearing against the much more recent matchups. No matter how much you try to convince people.
Also, if he WERE physically stronger than Superman? That would just mean that's physically stronger than Thanos as well, since we already clarified over a dozen pages now that Marvel counterparts aren't as strong as Superman.
1. First he's not beyond DS, as I've stated and in canon fact.. Superman has been tooled by DS by mere pimpslaps... claiming it happened 10 years ago doesn't change that fact of it happening and make it non canon. Plus, you fail to mention when he has beaten DS.. one time was because DS got hit by his own beams not superman gettting the upperhand via his own power. Let's also not forget getting the upperhand via a sundip.. Leaving out context to try and make a point only makes you look desperate. The fact is, as I stated, Orion has beat and gotten the better of Superman more times then he looked inferior. He's a peer. The same for Marvel and how he's looked. BA was pwning superman, and they go, o superman SAID he was going to get serious... So, we saw NOTHING of what that ACTUALLY meant in battle. only words. I can get someone to back down by saying I'm going to get serious and kick their ass.. doesn't mean I would.
2. You claiming Thanos versatile won't matter, is just that, you CLAIMING it won't matter. Even in the scans you've shown and others scenes I've read, superman has had to work to resist TP. It wasn't just effortless. What does this mean.. Using TP, Matter Manipulation and TK are all viable options that superman will have to work to stop, which leaves the door open for Thanos to take advantage of other areas.
3. Funny how you claim I don't read them, which couldn't be further from the truth. As many as you or others, no, never claimed such. Do I read coimcs with superman in them and in general, most certainly. I mean honestly how many examples do you need of Superman losing the first time only to come back and win... Titus, Konvict, Despero, Grundy, Zod, Henshaw, DD.. the list goes on and on.. don't even wanna mention Venom lol. Fact is, Thanos DOESN'T lose the first time or second time. He beats them with ease and WITHOUT trying. Superman has to go all out and really try just to gain an upperhand and that is een after a long fight. How on God's green earth can you comapre someone who laughs and mocks heralds and dismisses them with ease.. with someone who has to REALLY let loose to beat a herald, and even then, it's after a long fight. NO comparison.
4 Please list for me the Striking power feats that are above what Thanos has shown to do against other heralds. I see you conceded blasting power.. which of course you had to, but I did notice.
5. Actually, we use feats and character portrayals to determine fights NOT just feats. If that we're the case than Wolverine and Spiderman would be stonger than Thanos based on lifting feats right? They would also be stronger than Despero or Mangog. However, that little example of which they are many, prove beyond any doubt why we don't just use lifting feats to determine strength. By your OWN admission villians don't have them, thus that is a invalid way to try and draw a comparison between the two to determine who wins a strength battle.
I see what your'e trying to do, and yet again it has failed miserably. You want to use only lifting and pulling feats to determine that Superman not only is stronger, but wins a fight with Thanos. Not only is that illogical for the reasons stated above (villians don't have lifting feats) but because you leave out another crucial aspect of determining fights which is how they are portrayed with their peers or other characters via narration and fights. That is were they very CLEAR distinction is made between the two and how clear it then becomes. You can NEVER get around this fact no matter how hard you try and avoid it. Superman BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION.. HAS TO LET LOOSE.. JUST... JUST to gain the upperhand. Funny enough it's still a long drawn out fight. Thanos... DOESN'T EVEN TRY or go ALL OUT to beat peak heralds with a mere flick of his wrist. No amount of dodging twisting and avoiding can EVER get you around that fact.
Originally posted by Bentley
The slugfest argument is weak "it happens in comics" it's exactly what doesn't work in this forum. Unless you bring something better than it will be a slugfest or you post in another thread where things are truly limited to that kind of fighting, there is nothing to see here.
I agree.
I don't think it's an argument at all, just a misconception. It's true in most Superman comics, he tends to fight via slugfest.
But does Thanos tend to fight via slugfest? No. Most of his fights show him using a combination of all his powers, energy blasts, shields, telepathy, telekensis, energy amped punches, teleportation, and etc.
In fact I can name multiple fights where he never even threw a single punch. E.g., Maker fight, Fallen one fight, Walker fight, Thor fight (Thanosi).
Saying that the fight between Thanos and Superman will always boil down to a slugfest is IMO false.
Originally posted by vince_slice
I agree.I don't think it's an argument at all, just a misconception. It's true in most Superman comics, he tends to fight via slugfest.
But does Thanos tend to fight via slugfest? No. Most of his fights show him using a combination of all his powers, energy blasts, shields, telepathy, telekensis, energy amped punches, teleportation, and etc.
In fact I can name multiple fights where he never even threw a single punch. E.g., Maker fight, Fallen one fight, Walker fight, Thor fight (Thanosi).
Saying that the fight between Thanos and Superman will always boil down to a slugfest is IMO false.
No one disagrees Thanos doesn't like to fight like a man and he isn't a man, his a purple faced alien/eternal thing. So why shouldn't he hide behind forcefields, send people away or run away himself etc?
Originally posted by Daemon SeedThanos does fight like a man but not a stupid, ignorant one. When he needs to he throws down when it isn't necessary he doesn't see the need. Thanos is too smart for Superman as well.
No one disagrees Thanos doesn't like to fight like a man and he isn't a man, his a purple faced alien/eternal thing. So why shouldn't he hide behind forcefields, send people away or run away himself etc?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos is too smart for Superman as well.
That's the least that can be said...
Seriously: turn it like you want, Thanos wins it.
At long range, Sups is ****ed because Thanos power outclass so much the heat-vision that it's useless to talk about it. Also, he can mindrape, and Sups can't do a damn thing about it.
At melee, Thanos might be slower, but his endurance is thru the roof. He can amp his strenght to a level that he can humiliate Silver Surfer in h2h like nobody else. He got the reflex to go against ftl opponents too.
Also, he got two things over Sups: Intelligence, and Tech. Thanos can resort on both to kill Sups in the most effective way possible.
What we are talking about here is a dude cunning enough to outsmart Doom and gaining the ultimate power in Marvel: The End.
As I said, Thanos is much more closer to Odin in power that he's from the like of Surfer, Thor and Sups.
This is a mismatch, and I call it spite against poor Superman.
Last thing: If Sups calls back-up after getting his ass whooped, Thanos summon his chixx, and Thanos still wins.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Yeah, Thanos just "might" be slower than Superman at melee 🙄And Superman "might" be wearing a cape. Lex Luthor "might" be bald. And Daredevil "might" be blind.
Whatever. Thanos is slower. And then what? Sups is as dead as fried chicken probably before he can reach him.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I like how speed, the one area that's undebatable in Superman's favor is a "might", but the others are unequivocally in Thanos' favor, like him mindraping Supes (lawlz), "outclassing heat vision that it's useless to talk about it" (again, lawlz) etc.But then again it's this boubou guy.
Thanos has this in a bag, he not only would be able to assault Superman with magic, but he also has telepathy, strength, durability, and super reflexes.
