Thanos vs Superman

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
"I need only to cut myself off from all sensory input from time, space, reality, thought and the soul. I would retain limitless power, yet not know my enemies next move."

This statement accompanied by the fact that Thanos sent beings through time, turned Adamantium into rubber, Masterson into glass, teleported Mjolnir, grew into a giant etc. I honestly don't see what there is to debate. As clear as day imo.

Thanos had access to all the Gems. He simply cut himself off from the aspects that gave made omniscient and omnipresent.

He didn't turn into a giant... he shrunk them.

My point stands.

Originally posted by h1a8
Who's arguing that he does? I already accepted that Superman won't blitz from the get go a long time ago. But he will eventually if he finds Thanos is too tough to beat. But if Thanos fights out of character then it is only right if Superman does so too.

So where's the double standard?

Thanos is portrayed consistently superior to Superman is. That's the point and his intelligence and options make this a warp in his favor.

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Sensory input that the gems will give you is not the same as their power.

You have problems with that concept, don't you ?

What don't you understand about "dampening your (cosmic) senses" ? He teleported Mjolnir (space gem) and created a time portal (time gem). All the gems were glowing very brightly by the way, whenever he used them.

Oh, here is a quote from comicvine

"Thanos is fully aware of the coming conflict. Mephisto arrives and advises Thanos to remove his omniscience to make the fight somewhat fair in the hopes of impressing Death."

http://www.comicvine.com/infinity-gauntlet/39-42233/

There you have it. Checkmate they call it, I think.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Black Bolt, haven't you reached the point where you should have adequate reading comprehension skills? You're like 12.

Thanos only cut himself off from the sensory input. He still retained all the power of the Gems.

Having omnipotence and omniscience, then claiming if he had only omnipotence the heroes have a .05% chance of winning doesn't seem right does it?

You know why he said he would retain limitless power? Because thats what the GOD DAMN POWER GEM DOES

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
"I need only to cut myself off from all sensory input from time, space, reality, thought and the soul. I would retain limitless power, yet not know my enemies next move."

This statement accompanied by the fact that Thanos sent beings through time, turned Adamantium into rubber, Masterson into glass, teleported Mjolnir, grew into a giant etc. I honestly don't see what there is to debate. As clear as day imo.

Thanos had access to all the Gems. He simply cut himself off from the aspects that gave made omniscient and omnipresent.

look at the part you highlighted; he did not address the power gem with the others, and the manner in which he addressed them was different i.e. calling the mind gem "thought". the power gem was "limitless power", and he kept tapping into it.

for me the only question is if the power gem buffs all abilities someone has be them natural or artificial, cause for all we know thanos could have tech on his person not unlike doom (who has done every single thing thanos has done in that fight during his career with tech of his own design), but the amp from the gem makes it more dramatic. without knowing what the power gem can do it's hard to say what thanos can and can't do with it. thanos himself is an enigma.

thanos did the most research on the gems, and according to him the power gem is classified like so:

according to the man himself it can do anything, and even if it can't it does buff the other gems and possibly whatever abilities the wielder has. when he goes back to full power after the surfer thing, he was truly allowing the power gem to boost the other gems (as well as gain omnescience) but before then he could very well have been using the power gem to boost his personal abilities and tech.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
for me the only question is if the power gem buffs all abilities someone has be them natural or artificial, cause for all we know thanos could have tech on his person not unlike doom (who has done every single thing thanos has done in that fight during his career with tech of his own design), but the amp from the gem makes it more dramatic. without knowing what the power gem can do it's hard to say what thanos can and can't do with it. thanos himself is an enigma.

thanos did the most research on the gems, and according to him the power gem is classified like so:

according to the man himself it can do anything, and even if it can't it does buff the other gems and possibly whatever abilities the wielder has

in that scan it almost sounds as if the power gem is pretty much the cosmic cube, actually better since the cube provides less protection (if you don't simply erase any possible attack(er) that could separate you from the artifact

Originally posted by psycho gundam
nothing to debate? yes there is

look at the part you highlighted; he did not address the power gem with the others, and the manner in which he addressed them was different i.e. calling the mind gem "thought". the power gem was "limitless power", and he kept tapping into it.

for me the only question is if the power gem buffs all abilities someone has be them natural or artificial, cause for all we know thanos could have tech on his person not unlike doom (who has done every single thing thanos has done in that fight during his career with tech of his own design), but the amp from the gem makes it more dramatic. without knowing what the power gem can do it's hard to say what thanos can and can't do with it. thanos himself is an enigma.

thanos did the most research on the gems, and according to him the power gem is classified like so:

according to the man himself it can do anything, and even if it can't it does buff the other gems and possibly whatever abilities the wielder has. when he goes back to full power after the surfer thing, he was truly allowing the power gem to boost the other gems (as well as gain omnescience) but before then he could very well have been using the power gem to boost his personal abilities and tech.

First of all, these characters never existed. That means we can only go off what the writer is trying to show. Thanos claimed, in his own words, that he cut himself off from all sensory input of the gems. This doesn't mean he cut himself off completely from the other gems. Otherwise, he would cut himself off from the power gem as well.

Second, it is clear that the power gem doesn't do everything. This is because there would be no need for the other gems which defeats the writer's purpose of the IG itself. Thus Thanos statement MUST be taken as figurative and not literally.

Third, claiming that the power gem being able to do anything actually DEFEATS the argument of Thanos not being amped to dodge Surfer (assuming Surfer didn't miss). After all, the PG could provide faster movement, faster synapse response (faster reflexes), etc.

Finally, this is all moot since a human can easily react in a half of second, thus so can Thanos.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
So he kept omnipotence but gave up omniscience? If he was had use of all the gems but just couldn't sense them he still could have vaporized them all immediatly.

Having omnipotence and omniscience, then claiming if he had only omnipotence the heroes have a .05% chance of winning doesn't seem right does it?

You know why he said he would retain limitless power? Because thats what the [b]GOD DAMN POWER GEM DOES [/B]

.05% was just some guesstimate he made... I have no idea how they would have gotten the win (by removing the IG, i'd imagine).

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, there is really no indication of that. He said he cut himself from the sensory input. There's no indication that he did anything beyond that, and the sort of feats he exhibited are clearly indicative of using the gems.

.05% was just some guesstimate he made... I have no idea how they would have gotten the win (by removing the IG, i'd imagine).

therefore there is no way he could have lost.

In the scan I posted thanos himself outright stated would cut himself off from mind, soul, reality, space, and time.

Irrefuetable evidence is irrefueltable.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
But if he just removed sensory input he would still have had omnipotence. Just not omniscience.

therefore there is no way he could have lost.

In the scan I posted thanos himself outright stated would cut himself off from mind, soul, reality, space, and time.

Irrefuetable evidence is irrefueltable.

The scan didn't say nor imply that Thanos cut himself off from the other gems. IT SAID HE CUT HIMSELF OFF FROM SENSORY INPUT OF THE OTHER GEMS!

Also, characters actions>>>>> their words. Which implies that Thanos other actions defeats the argument. And if you want to argue that the PG can do anything as to how he did his other feats well then that defeats the argument that Thanos was amped to dodge Surfer in the first place.

Also, it is moot since Thanos only needed a half of second to react (assuming Surfer didn't miss) in which many humans can already do.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your either an idiot or just a con artist.

The scan didn't say nor imply that Thanos cut himself off from the other gems. IT SAID HE CUT HIMSELF OFF FROM SENSORY INPUT OF THE OTHER GEMS!

Also, characters actions>>>>> their words. Which implies that Thanos other actions defeats the argument. And if you want to argue that the PG can do anything as to how he did his other feats well then that defeats the argument that Thanos was amped to dodge Surfer in the first place.

Also, it is moot since Thanos only needed a half of second to react (assuming Surfer didn't miss) in which many humans can already do.

And the PG amped his other powers, like reality warping, which he already had, which would let him do the things he did.

And the the HELL do you get that you need 1/2 second reaction to dodge surfer, who was going as fast as he could, which is much faster than the speed of light?

You can argue all the way about it, fact is, he was amped and in posession of the Ig. Surfer missed, stated on panel. If this "feat" is your only prove of Thanos uber-reaction-skillzzz, then you got nothing, honestly...

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You can argue all the way about it, fact is, he was amped and in posession of the Ig. Surfer missed, stated on panel. If this "feat" is your only prove of Thanos uber-reaction-skillzzz, then you got nothing, honestly...

Originally posted by h1a8

get over yourself. please

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Actually no. He stated he was going to cut himself off from the other gems. Period.

And the PG amped his other powers, like reality warping, which he already had, which would let him do the things he did.

And the the [b]HELL do you get that you need 1/2 second reaction to dodge surfer, who was going as fast as he could, which is much faster than the speed of light? [/B]

It never stated he completely cut himself off. It stated only the sensory input was cut off, nothing more. Please stop lying and trying to deceive people.

Speed of something doesn't matter if the distance is sufficient enough.
I can respond to something approaching at me at light speed or better provided I have a half of second or more to respond. Speed in itself determines nothing. This is common sense.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You can argue all the way about it, fact is, he was amped and in posession of the Ig. Surfer missed, stated on panel. If this "feat" is your only prove of Thanos uber-reaction-skillzzz, then you got nothing, honestly...

But how much can you really gleam from that? Maybe it was under his own ability or maybe there were some amping via the gauntlet. It's impossible to tell for sure. What's the next closest feat? I think the rule of threes should be in play here like biblical debates. Three unrelated but equal events or otherwise it's a no go.

Originally posted by long pig
But how much can you really gleam from that? Maybe it was under his own ability or maybe there were some amping via the gauntlet. It's impossible to tell for sure. What's the next closest feat? I think the rule of threes should be in play here like biblical debates. Three unrelated but equal events or otherwise it's a no go.

-sigh- and now you've lost my respect again. So, as you said, he was "hit left and right". Where was his lightspeed reflexes then? Seeing no one he was hit left and right by had speed. Why did it kick in only when he dodged Surfer? You just beat yourself.