Originally posted by Black bolt z
Why don't you get that it doesn't amp your reflexes?The power gem gives you "limitless" power. Power suddenly equals reflexes?
If so why doesn't galactus have light speed reflexes?
You guys claim he only used the power gem. It's nonsense, but fine, I'll follow.
So it's perfectly logical for you guys that Thanos, only using the power gem, can turn himself into a giant, turns Thor into glass, teleports Hulk and Drax into the past, conjures up teleportational portals in which Mjolnir disappears, turns adamantium in rubber and so on, but him being faster thanks to the power gem ? No no sir, that's impossible !
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Originally posted by Kid Kurdy1: He never teleported drax and hulk into the past
So let me get this straight.You guys claim he only used the power gem. It's nonsense, but fine, I'll follow.
So it's perfectly logical for you guys that Thanos, only using the power gem, can turn himself into a giant, turns Thor into glass, teleports Hulk and Drax into the past, conjures up teleportational portals in which Mjolnir disappears, turns adamantium in rubber and so on, but him being faster thanks to the power gem ? No no sir, that's impossible !
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2: I don't believe he did the mjolnir thing either.
3: The rest can be reality warping. Thanos already has reality warping to a degree and because RW is a POWER his his it is amped by the power gem. Amping his reflexes would be more space.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
1: He never teleported drax and hulk into the past2: I don't believe he did the mjolnir thing either.
3: The rest can be reality warping. Thanos already has reality warping to a degree and because RW is a [b]POWER
his his it is amped by the power gem. Amping his reflexes would be more space. [/B]
Originally posted by Black bolt z
1: He never teleported drax and hulk into the past2: I don't believe he did the mjolnir thing either.
3: The rest can be reality warping. Thanos already has reality warping to a degree and because RW is a [b]POWER
his his it is amped by the power gem. Amping his reflexes would be more space. [/B]
You haven't read the story I take it.
Originally posted by KJ Stewart
Please don't be so silly.Superior speed? Thanos can react to a speeding Silver Surfer, who is *faster* than Superman.
Superior strength? Thanos can completely defeat the Silver Surfer in *4 punches*. Silver Surfer being tougher than Supes.
And then comes durability. Thanos, although he ultimately lost, survived a beatdown from Odin and gained the man's respect. Odin being a guy whose battles destroy galaxies as *side effects*.
This doesn't even take in to consideration Thanos' telepathy.
He could literally stand still and win this. Superman could attack him, it wouldn't do squat to him, and Thanos could just stand there and mindscrew him without even lifting a finger. Which would mean Superman was a very lucky boy indeed, because if Thanos decided to use physical force, he'd beat Clark like a red-headed stepchild.
Reacting to someone who is not using their top speed doesn't prove they can if they did use their speed. Hulk hitting a speedster when the speedster is not using his top speeds doesn't prove that Hulk is a speedster. And Superman is faster than Surfer in close combat distance starting from rest. His instant acceleration is larger. Surfer needs a little more time and distance to reach great speeds. Superman can just instant appear behind people (like a teleport), vibrate through attacks, etc. without needing much (if any) distance to accelerate.
Thanos didn't just use his strength to down Surfer, although it was more than 4 hits. He amped his punches with some energy type brass knuckles. With my skill that I acquired learning MA I can almost kill someone who is stronger than me with 5-7 blows myself, especially with brass knuckles. It's all about how and where you hit them. I disagree that SS is more durable than Superman (except for magic and kryptonite). Superman easily survived a double black hole while Thanos get seriously messed up in one. And heroes like Superman don't kill. You would never see him hit someone so hard as to almost kill them.
Thanos durability lies in energy projection. He is insanely durable against energy projection. Maybe it is because he is an eternal, which can absorb, channel, and manipulate ambient energy around him.
But against blunt force trauma he is no better than Superman. IMO, I would say Superman is more bulletproof than Thanos. So stop equating taking energy blasts as evidence of how he can take punches. Because they are not commutative or interchangeable.
Thanos telepathy won't come into consderation for several reasons:
1. He doesn't use it in battle (if so, then it is too rare to consider).
2. Superman is highly resistant to it.
3. Thanos would be getting comboed to ko the moment the bell starts (assuming Thanos is also allowed to fight out of character like go strictly for telepathy against Superman).
Originally posted by vince_sliceStreet levelers have feats against beams. It doesn't make them able to defend against a Superman level speedblitz. Plus beams are dumb. They just go straight and don't change direction once shot. Superman would be blitzing from all angles. Lastly, not all beams go the speed of light. Wolverine blocked a Cyclops blast in mid battle. Doesn't mean Logan can move near the speed of light now does it?
I don't see Superman's speed as that much of a problemThanos has reacted and lifted his shields against a bullrushing "no mercy" Surfer perfectly fine. [notice the energy bolt was shot before Thanos has his shields up]
http://i53.tinypic.com/30bh5jn.jpg
That scan isn't clear. Thanos could have teleported right before Surfer blasted as in aim dodging or Surfer could have hit Thanos (after all he can take Surfer's blasts). Also the chair was responsible for Thanos teleporting, thus it can't be applied to Thanos himself.
He also dodged a point blank energy shot by Surfer via teleportation.
http://i53.tinypic.com/qxp0lg.jpg
She is not as fast as Superman and I didn't see her build up enough speed yet like she did with Surfer. Surfer also reacted to her. He wasn't expected her to blitz him like that. He was trying to reason with her. Big difference if he was expecting it before it happened. Thus that feat against Surfer proves nothing.
Reacted perfectly fine against Ganymede who's blitzed Surfer successfully for a while.
http://i55.tinypic.com/35d1f15.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/2lc3g3.jpg
Superman's speed will definitely allow him to dodge some of Thanos' shots, but what's stopping Thanos from using multiple wide range energy blasts?
http://i51.tinypic.com/2ahh36v.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/8vrl3t.jpg
I can also see Thanos get bored of the fight and BFR Superman with a wave of his hand like he does to Spiderman and Silver Surfer.
http://i54.tinypic.com/212yi6v.jpg
Again, that was on his ship. It wasn't his power doing it. If you disagree then its up to you to prove it. That means you must show relevant scans in supporting your claim. Also Spidey and Surfer are standing still. Thanos won't be able to do that to someone with FTL reflexes and speed.
Originally posted by vince_slice
The scan is right there and it shows him ducking and reacting to Surfer. He cut off all sensory input and access to the gems so he did NOT have their power. This is obvious if you read the story and saw how he fought against the heroes before SS tried blitzing him.I can't help you if you choose to ignore the scans.
We all read the story yet you still claiming that Thanos cut himself off from the other gems when it is only stated that he could himself off from sensory input. Now you are going from bad arguments to merely lying.
Doesn't matter how Thanos fought, for characters in comics fight dumb all the time.
Superman and Spidey get hit by dumb slow shit sometimes. Doesn't mean they don't have superspeed.
Lastly, it seems SS missed (as he claimed) and not by Thanos ducking. Otherwise why would Thanos be surprised and saying he almost lost it?
Are people actually saying surfer missed. Jesus h. Christ. In a boxing match if a fighter throws a punch and misses cause the other guys moves. They say he MISSED the punch but not because be was off n aiming at air... he third but the guy moved hid head. Same think here surfer saying he missed the Target doesn't mean thanos didn't move. For gods sake we see a glimmer in his eye as he senses n looks to see as he is ducking. Couldn't be more clear. Btw surfer was traveling way way faster than light judging by the narration n then calculations. Regardless, thanos has plenty of reaction time feats besides this one to make it clear ur.can react very fast n will be able to do do against superman
Originally posted by Black bolt zIt helps him by showing that Thanos couldn't have possibly reacted to Surfer since he couldn't react to Hulk and Drax. Thus SS missed (as the panel stated).
How does it help you?
Lastly, SS came from a light year away and it took him some time (about a few seconds). It is highly possible for even Thanos to react to Surfer if Thanos saw him a half second away. Hell, I can spend a few tenths of a second on deciding whether to swing at a 90mph faster, and about a tenth both deciding where to swing and completing a full swing if I decided yes. And a 90mph fastball is in the air less than a half of second. And I'm only human and can do this.
Originally posted by h1a8
It helps him by showing that Thanos couldn't have possibly reacted to Surfer since he couldn't react to Hulk and Drax. Thus SS missed (as the panel stated).Lastly, SS came from a light year away and it took him some time (about a few seconds). It is highly possible for even Thanos to react to Surfer if Thanos saw him a half second away. Hell, I can spend a few tenths of a second on deciding whether to swing at a 90mph faster, and about a tenth both deciding where to swing and completing a full swing if I decided yes. And a 90mph fastball is in the air less than a half of second. And I'm only human and can do this.
This a terrible way to debate. That's like me saying Supes can't react to Thanos since he couldn't prevent Grundy from pounding on him.
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Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Except you are talking out of your ass.
I've been using the Internet for 12 years.
This is the funniest piece of hypocrisy I've ever seen on it.
Thanos uses the Gems to amp his stats in the panels AFTER he ducks Surfer's attack, utterly *proving* that he wasn't using them to do so DURING the attack.
Regardless of this, as I've already stated (and has "conveniently" been ignored), Thanos can survive hits from Odin. Superman isn't doing *shit* to him. He could hit Thanos all day and Thanos would still enjoy his lunch.
Superman can be as fast as he likes. He won't hurt Thanos. And one simple thought from Thanos has Supes under his telepathic control.
And then Thanos gives him the beating of his life.
Seriously, Thanos beat down Surfer in 4 punches. Surfer shits all over Supes.
Look at the number of votes in the poll. Superman fail.
Originally posted by carver9Not really. The point was to show weakness in someone elses argument by using THEIR SAME STYLE OF ARGUING.
This a terrible way to debate. That's like me saying Supes can't react to Thanos since he couldn't prevent Grundy from pounding on him.😮
The argument began by poster A claiming that Thanos was ONLY using the power gem (super bs mind you). The reasoning behind it was how Thanos was fighting some of the characters. They argued as follows, "Thanos didn't use speed, etc. and thus he cut himself off from the time gem as well as the other gems."
Do u understand now? A double standard was created?
