Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Superman can teleport... can I see the scans of this new ability please...Can I also please see Superman Combo to KO somebody on Thanos level.
Superman can move so fast that it seems as if he vibrate teleports.
Asking to see Superman comboing to ko is like asking to see Thanos lifting a 100ton object for proof that he can.
The actual feat doesn't need to be seen if there exists other evidence for it.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Modern Thanos only breaks a sweat when skyfather+ beings confront him.
Yes he will break into a ko when he is confronted with Superman fighting at his best.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman can move so fast that it seems as if he vibrate teleports.Asking to see Superman comboing to ko is like asking to see Thanos lifting a 100ton object for proof that he can.
The actual feat doesn't need to be seen if there exists other evidence for it.
Yes he will break into a ko when he is confronted with Superman fighting at his best.
Show me this teleporting style fighting.
Originally posted by h1a8
Superman can move so fast that it seems as if he vibrate teleports.Asking to see Superman comboing to ko is like asking to see Thanos lifting a 100ton object for proof that he can.
The actual feat doesn't need to be seen if there exists other evidence for it.
Yes he will break into a ko when he is confronted with Superman fighting at his best.
So he's never displayed this ability on panel... thus it doesn't exist H1... We don't go around giving people abilities they don't have because you want them to have it or because it kinda looks like they are. He can't teleport PERIOD.
Next, of course you need such proof... you give supes the win based on a premise we've never seen on panel. We've never seen Superman blitz right from the start of the fight and KO somebody without them touching him against somebody of the calibur of Thanos. Sure you don't need to post proof of him doing that to a street leveler or meta because common sense tells us he should be able to do that no problem. But against somebody who is a low skyfather being with his own heightened perceptions, high durability, versatile with high damage output... your damn right you need to back up your theory.. You can't... concession accepted then.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So he's never displayed this ability on panel... thus it doesn't exist H1... We don't go around giving people abilities they don't have because you want them to have it or because it kinda looks like they are. He can't teleport PERIOD.
He has the ability, and he's done it on panel.
Against Cyborg Superman during the Trial of Superman (A four blow blitz that Superman claimed he was throwing as super speed, ending in a KO uppercut), and against Mongul, for some examples.
Regardless, Supermans displayed the per-requisite speed to perform said feat, even if he's never done it in comics. I argue by the KMC rule that states a character fights at their full potential, even if they don't usually use powers to the best of their ability in the comics, like Flash rarely ending fights in the first pico second..
Originally posted by cdtm
He has the ability, and he's done it on panel.Against Cyborg Superman during the Trial of Superman (A four blow blitz that Superman claimed he was throwing as super speed, ending in a KO uppercut), and against Mongul, for some examples.
Regardless, Supermans displayed the per-requisite speed to perform said feat, even if he's never done it in comics. I argue by the KMC rule that states a character fights at their full potential, even if they don't usually use powers to the best of their ability in the comics, like Flash rarely ending fights in the first pico second..
So is it safe for me to say that Gladiator would fight Galactus at 100 times the speed of light and get away with it?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So he's never displayed this ability on panel... thus it doesn't exist H1... We don't go around giving people abilities they don't have because you want them to have it or because it kinda looks like they are. He can't teleport PERIOD.Next, of course you need such proof... you give supes the win based on a premise we've never seen on panel. We've never seen Superman blitz right from the start of the fight and KO somebody without them touching him against somebody of the calibur of Thanos. Sure you don't need to post proof of him doing that to a street leveler or meta because common sense tells us he should be able to do that no problem. But against somebody who is a low skyfather being with his own heightened perceptions, high durability, versatile with high damage output... your damn right you need to back up your theory.. You can't... concession accepted then.
Combo to ko isn't a special ability. It is an action that can only exist if one has certain abilities (sufficient speed and power). Lifting a 50ton tank isn't a special ability (super strength is). A character doesn't need to show on panel them lifting a 50 ton tank in order to prove that they can. If they have class 100 strength then they can do it by default.
Note: An argument against the CIS of a character proves that the character has the tools to beat your character. Otherwise, you wouldn't mention the CIS of Superman not blitzing from the get go.
I didn't say Superman is going to blitz from the start. Superman can reserve the option anytime he feels it is necessary. During the fight if he feels Thanos is too powerful then he will blitz combo to ko him. If he feels Thanos is not that powerful for him then he doesn't need to blitz him at top speed.
Here's the proof of the combo to ko.
1. Being strong enough to create a stun effect
Superman is powerful enough to rock Thanos (created a stun effect) with his blows.
2. Being fast enough to chain another hit of stun effect power before the first stun effect wears off.
Superman is fast enough to chain another hit before the stun effect wears off (could be a millisecond before it wears off). This second hit will not only renew the stun effect but add to the initial stun effect to create an even greater stun effect (stun effects are compounded).
Superman continues to chain in hit after hit renewing and increasing the stun effect until Thanos is koed.
This is the COMBO TO KO principle. End of proof.
Originally posted by h1a8
Combo to ko isn't a special ability. It is an action that can only exist if one has certain abilities (sufficient speed and power). Lifting a 50ton tank isn't a special ability (super strength is). A character doesn't need to show on panel them lifting a 50 ton tank in order to prove that they can. If they have class 100 strength then they can do it by default.Note: An argument against the CIS of a character proves that the character has the tools to beat your character. Otherwise, you wouldn't mention the CIS of Superman not blitzing from the get go.
I didn't say Superman is going to blitz from the start. Superman can reserve the option anytime he feels it is necessary. During the fight if he feels Thanos is too powerful then he will blitz combo to ko him. If he feels Thanos is not that powerful for him then he doesn't need to blitz him at top speed.
Here's the proof of the combo to ko.
1. Being strong enough to create a stun effectSuperman is powerful enough to rock Thanos (created a stun effect) with his blows.
2. Being fast enough to chain another hit of stun effect power before the first stun effect wears off.
Superman is fast enough to chain another hit before the stun effect wears off (could be a millisecond before it wears off). This second hit will not only renew the stun effect but add to the initial stun effect to create an even greater stun effect (stun effects are compounded).
Superman continues to chain in hit after hit renewing and increasing the stun effect until Thanos is koed.
This is the COMBO TO KO principle. End of proof.
So with that said, you think that Hyperion, Wonder Woman, Gladiator, Sentry, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Zod, Supergirl, Powergirl, can all pull majorities against Thanos?
Is this true?
There are some key points you're missing here...
1. First when characters are made to fight IN CHARACTER that isn't because pepole are worried about them beating x, y and z. It's done because that is how we draw information about a character on how they fight. Just like we gather more information when we see them display other abilities. That is how we learn about who they are, what they can do and how they can fight. We don't go by how WE want them to fight and what abilities WE want them to have. They have to be based on ON PANEL PROOF. If we did things your way, we could give powers we've never seen from characters and go... just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean they can't do it.. afterall they have done a, b & c. If we did it that way it would lead to stupid arguments based on things we've never seen displayed on panel. Thus, they have to fight in character with abilities they have shown on panel
A. This is key because Superman best and only chance really to beat Thanos is to start a fight the way you're claiming he would. Problem is, that isn't based on anything we've seen on panel that he would fight such way. Thus that scenerio isn't Superman fighting in character. That is you having him fight they way you think he should fight. If you like that type of debating this isn't the forum for you. Now, why you ask is it important to show Superman fighting in such a manner and putting down somebody of Thanos calibur before he can react or land a blow. Simply, because it would give us an indication and proof that he could do such a thing and put down somebody he's is fighting in this thread. Thanos has been able to deal with great amounts of punishment in his history.. more than superman can dish out. Thus it's very likely he can weather superman's punches just fine. What we also know is that Thanos can deliver some powerful strikes himself. Now, superman does have good durability, not on Thanos level, but pretty good. However, he would need to put down the Titan quickly because he doesn't have the durability nor power output that the Titan does. As well as not having the tech and versatility Thanos does. All this means supeman best bet as you say is to blitz right away full force and hope he can put him down. Problem is, that is something he just doesn't do
2. Thanos isn't somebody who has average reflexes and average human neurons firing in his brain. We're talking about comic book characters who have abilities that defy logic and reason. Superman isn't attacking a mere human.. he's attacking somebody who is more powerful than him, more versatile and more durable. This means superman is at a basic disadvantage on paper. Your method you want superman to use, while not substantiated by on panel proof, imo still wouldn't work even if it was allowed. Thanos has shown to be able to react to speed in the past and in many situations... He's been able to react after a energy blast has been fired and teleport out of the way. He's done so multiple times.. blast i might add that in theory travel faster than superman. He's reacted to people who go translight who try and bull-rush him and he's reacted to them. He has shown the ability to react to speed and thus even if your tactic were viable, I see no reason why it would work on Thanos.
Originally posted by carver9
So with that said, you think that Hyperion, Wonder Woman, Gladiator, Sentry, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Zod, Supergirl, Powergirl, can all pull majorities against Thanos?Is this true?
WW and Glads can,
I'm not sure if the others are as fast as Superman is in battle or if they mastered knowing how to vibrate through attacks.
Speed, reflexes, and power are the keys to beating Thanos.
Without those 3, Thanos would win against all those characters you mentioned.