Originally posted by carver9
I ask this question again and please make sure you answer right because I am pretty sure everyone in here is familiar with every fight Superman has been in.
Comic fights don't hold water if a character isn't fighting to the best of their ability as they would in a forum fight.
Superman beat up on Darkseid. Darkseid is not only in Thanos league but arguable more powerful.
ABC logic doesn't work since styles determine fights as well. Rock paper scissors anyone?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman doesn't match up any better against him and is far less powerful. Thanos destroys people who most see as Superman's superior in the Surfer.
Surfer doesn't fight Thanos like Superman will. He blasts mostly and doesn't use his speed and ftl reflexes.
Surfer has millions of powers yet he only seems to use 1 of them on Thanos.
Hell Surfer didn't even do the board from behind trick on Thanos.
ABC logic doesn't work Quanchi. Why can't you see that? The style and unique power and skill set Superman possesses makes this a fight.
Originally posted by h1a8Blasts hurt just like punches. Superman rarely uses his speed most of the time and trades blows.
Surfer doesn't fight Thanos like Superman will. He blasts mostly and doesn't use his speed and ftl reflexes.
Surfer has millions of powers yet he only seems to use 1 of them on Thanos.Hell Surfer didn't even do the board from behind trick on Thanos.
ABC logic doesn't work Quanchi. Why can't you see that? The style and unique power and skill set Superman possesses makes this a fight.
That wouldn't matter against Thanos anyways since he's far out of his league and has proven so on every occasion.
Superman's skill set and power have never given Thanos a problem before. He has the powers to negate speed and is still far more powerful than Superman and more durable.
Originally posted by SquallX
Not 10/10, but i see Superman taking at least 8/10. Am talking about no amps, no preps, just both of them not holding back and trying to absolutely kill the other.With prep, Thanos strongest weapond is his HOTU, where as Superman strongest prep would be is Miracle Machine, and his CA Superman.
So with prep, and external help, Superman takes it.
What are you even talking about? How does supes win even one battle? I'm being serious... Thanos is clearly and without a doubt portrayed as more powerful and in a higher tier.. He's never lost to a herald before.. yet you expect superman to take the majority? Explain this please...
Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer doesn't fight Thanos like Superman will. He blasts mostly and doesn't use his speed and ftl reflexes.
Surfer has millions of powers yet he only seems to use 1 of them on Thanos.Hell Surfer didn't even do the board from behind trick on Thanos.
ABC logic doesn't work Quanchi. Why can't you see that? The style and unique power and skill set Superman possesses makes this a fight.
Can you explain why Thanos doesn't lost to heralds througout his entire history.. EVEN THOUGH... the heroes in marvel (like superman) usually prevail against most foes as they are meant to win. Yet Marvel have made it clear by their actions, by not having Thanos lose to them, that he's clearly above them. This couldn't be more clear. Now, Superman has lost to people on above, the same or below Thanos level countless times... So.. knowing how they are portrayed and we all know Thanos is more powerful.. how can you say Superman will win.. when Thanos track record in comics (ya know those things we use to base all abilities and characters on) speaks to him crushing superman with ease.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeBased on what is Superman stronger ? He is about equal to Captain Marvel who is far lower than Thanos on the totem pole. What Thanos enemies has Superman taken down on his own ?
Superman is stronger, much much faster, his durability is at his best compareable. Thanos has the better engeryoutput, TP and Shields.Thanos takes Heralds down, true. Superman takes Thanos like enemies down, true. I think both have a good chance to win.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Can you explain why Thanos doesn't lost to heralds througout his entire history.. EVEN THOUGH... the heroes in marvel (like superman) usually prevail against most foes as they are meant to win. Yet Marvel have made it clear by their actions, by not having Thanos lose to them, that he's clearly above them. This couldn't be more clear. Now, Superman has lost to people on above, the same or below Thanos level countless times... So.. knowing how they are portrayed and we all know Thanos is more powerful.. how can you say Superman will win.. when Thanos track record in comics (ya know those things we use to base all abilities and characters on) speaks to him crushing superman with ease.
If things are based on opinions of writers then there would be no need for a debate. There is a huge difference between a comic fight and a forum fight. Forums have rules (comics don't). In comics, I can have Superman fight a being with human speed with the strength of Superman and have Superman get beat by him. I can have Surfer not use his proven ftl reflexes not once or not have him use his other powers (like black holes or phasing or shields). I can ignore all of a characters proven powers to let another character get the best of them. In a forum fight this won't happen. There is no jobbing for the sake of the story in a forum fight (only in comics).
Thanos can only crush Superman if Superman doesn't use his speed effectively for the entire fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what is Superman stronger ? He is about equal to Captain Marvel who is far lower than Thanos on the totem pole. What Thanos enemies has Superman taken down on his own ?
Based on Superman's feats and the lack of Thanos physically overpowering characters who matter. Thanos has no feats where he physically overpowers a being of Superman's strength level through grappling.
Superman is far far stronger than Professor Hulk according to feats. So Thanos being stronger than a base Professor Hulk means nothing. Thor is as strong as Savage Hulk for the most part (from base to somewhere in the middle of battle) and Savage Hulk is stronger than Professor Hulk for the most part. Thing is a non factor.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on what is Superman stronger ? He is about equal to Captain Marvel who is far lower than Thanos on the totem pole. What Thanos enemies has Superman taken down on his own ?
And how does have have comparable durability?
Comparable durability would be Superman taking major attacks from depowered, post Zero Hour parallax and still being conscious.. Instead, what happened was Hal made a giant bomb with his power, and Supes was KTFO. Death of the New Gods, he kept getting knocked out by attacks Thanos would tank.
Thanos has a much better record durability wise against characters far outside of Supermans weight class.
Originally posted by cdtmI agree Thanos has him beat hands down in durability.
And how does have have comparable durability?Comparable durability would be Superman taking major attacks from depowered, post Zero Hour parallax and still being conscious.. Instead, what happened was Hal made a giant bomb with his power, and Supes was KTFO. Death of the New Gods, he kept getting knocked out by attacks Thanos would tank.
Thanos has a much better record durability wise against characters far outside of Supermans weight class.
Originally posted by h1a8Thanos overpowered the Hulk and the Thing. Feats don't determine anything based off of their own exclusivity.
If things are based on opinions of writers then there would be no need for a debate. There is a huge difference between a comic fight and a forum fight. Forums have rules (comics don't). In comics, I can have Superman fight a being with human speed with the strength of Superman and have Superman get beat by him. I can have Surfer not use his proven ftl reflexes not once or not have him use his other powers (like black holes or phasing or shields). I can ignore all of a characters proven powers to let another character get the best of them. In a forum fight this won't happen. There is no jobbing for the sake of the story in a forum fight (only in comics).Thanos can only crush Superman if Superman doesn't use his speed effectively for the entire fight.
Based on Superman's feats and the lack of Thanos physically overpowering characters who matter. Thanos has no feats where he physically overpowers a being of Superman's strength level through grappling.
Superman is far far stronger than Professor Hulk according to feats. So Thanos being stronger than a base Professor Hulk means nothing. Thor is as strong as Savage Hulk for the most part (from base to somewhere in the middle of battle) and Savage Hulk is stronger than Professor Hulk for the most part. Thing is a non factor.
It's how these characters stack up against each other not who has better feats. That's ridiculous and always will be.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree Thanos has him beat hands down in durability. Thanos overpowered the Hulk and the Thing. Feats don't determine anything based off of their own exclusivity.It's how these characters stack up against each other not who has better feats. That's ridiculous and always will be.
You didn't read my post. I explicitly mentioned Hulk and Thing. Please read carefully:
If things are based on opinions of writers then there would be no need for a debate. There is a huge difference between a comic fight and a forum fight. Forums have rules (comics don't). In comics, I can have Superman fight a being with human speed with the strength of Superman and have Superman get beat by him. I can have Surfer not use his proven ftl reflexes not once or not have him use his other powers (like black holes or phasing or shields). I can ignore all of a characters proven powers to let another character get the best of them. In a forum fight this won't happen. There is no jobbing for the sake of the story in a forum fight (only in comics).
Thanos can only crush Superman if Superman doesn't use his speed effectively for the entire fight.
Based on Superman's feats and the lack of Thanos physically overpowering characters who matter. Thanos has no feats where he physically overpowers a being of Superman's strength level through grappling.
Superman is far far stronger than Professor Hulk according to feats. So Thanos being stronger than a base Professor Hulk means nothing. Thor is as strong as Savage Hulk for the most part (from base to somewhere in the middle of battle) and Savage Hulk is stronger than Professor Hulk for the most part. Thing is a non factor.
Originally posted by h1a8Thanos has already shown if he uses his powers effectively he can negate the speed offensive rarely used by Superman so I covered it.
You didn't read my post. I explicitly mentioned Hulk and Thing. Please read carefully:[b]If things are based on opinions of writers then there would be no need for a debate. There is a huge difference between a comic fight and a forum fight. Forums have rules (comics don't). In comics, I can have Superman fight a being with human speed with the strength of Superman and have Superman get beat by him. I can have Surfer not use his proven ftl reflexes not once or not have him use his other powers (like black holes or phasing or shields). I can ignore all of a characters proven powers to let another character get the best of them. In a forum fight this won't happen. There is no jobbing for the sake of the story in a forum fight (only in comics).
Thanos can only crush Superman if Superman doesn't use his speed effectively for the entire fight.
Based on Superman's feats and the lack of Thanos physically overpowering characters who matter. Thanos has no feats where he physically overpowers a being of Superman's strength level through grappling.
Superman is far far stronger than Professor Hulk according to feats. So Thanos being stronger than a base Professor Hulk means nothing. Thor is as strong as Savage Hulk for the most part (from base to somewhere in the middle of battle) and Savage Hulk is stronger than Professor Hulk for the most part. Thing is a non factor.
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Thanos has overpowered characters such as Thing, Hulk, Lord Mar-vell, Surfer, etc. Superman isn't far stronger than Prof. Hulk and you can't prove it just like you haven't proven anything when you showed up here other than your lack of comic book knowledge.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has already shown if he uses his powers effectively he can negate the speed offensive rarely used by Superman so I covered it.Thanos has overpowered characters such as Thing, Hulk, Lord Mar-vell, Surfer, etc. Superman isn't far stronger than Prof. Hulk and you can't prove it just like you haven't proven anything when you showed up here other than your lack of comic book knowledge.
Thanos hasn't overpowered Mar-vell or Surfer and neither of those guys are as strong as Superman. I didn't see Marvel resisting Thanos choking him. He just let it happen. He must show overpower through direct grapple. Beating someone down doesn't mean you are stronger. I can show many examples where a weaker character beat down a stronger character.
Superman has feats greater than planetary force. Professor Hulk doesn't even come close to that.
Overpowering someone's neck muscles with your arm and chest muscles don't prove you are stronger.
Thing is a non factor.
Question for you. How do you know if a marvel counterparts compare in strength with Superman if they never met? I await your answer.