Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiSo indeed it does hurt Thanos chances if Superman blitzes from the get go. Again, please comprehend my posts. I didn't say Superman will blitz from the get go (he won't). So this wall of text is irrelevant. I said that Superman will reserve the option for later if he feels Thanos is too powerful.
There are some key points you're missing here...1. First when characters are made to fight IN CHARACTER that isn't because pepole are worried about them beating x, y and z. It's done because that is how we draw information about a character on how they fight. Just like we gather more information when we see them display other abilities. That is how we learn about who they are, what they can do and how they can fight. We don't go by how WE want them to fight and what abilities WE want them to have. They have to be based on ON PANEL PROOF. If we did things your way, we could give powers we've never seen from characters and go... just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean they can't do it.. afterall they have done a, b & c. If we did it that way it would lead to stupid arguments based on things we've never seen displayed on panel. Thus, they have to fight in character with abilities they have shown on panel
A. This is key because Superman best and only chance really to beat Thanos is to start a fight the way you're claiming he would. Problem is, that isn't based on anything we've seen on panel that he would fight such way. Thus that scenerio isn't Superman fighting in character. That is you having him fight they way you think he should fight. If you like that type of debating this isn't the forum for you.
Now, why you ask is it important to show Superman fighting in such a manner and putting down somebody of Thanos calibur before he can react or land a blow. Simply, because it would give us an indication and proof that he could do such a thing and put down somebody he's is fighting in this thread. Thanos has been able to deal with great amounts of punishment in his history.. more than superman can dish out. Thus it's very likely he can weather superman's punches just fine.It takes time to weather a punch. If Superman doesn't give him sufficient to recover or if Superman simply continues to wear Thanos down then it is a done deal. Thanos has received powerful blows before. But none in rapid succession preventing him from recovering. Thanos mostly been envolved in slug fests (you hit me I hit you etc.) where there is plenty of time to recover from each hit.
Superman's durability to take punches matches or exceeds Thanos. Thanos durability to take energy blasts exceeds Superman. Superman doesn't have to blitz right away to win. He may need to do it somewhere in the fight though (maybe not).
What we also know is that Thanos can deliver some powerful strikes himself. Now, superman does have good durability, not on Thanos level, but pretty good. However, he would need to put down the Titan quickly because he doesn't have the durability nor power output that the Titan does. As well as not having the tech and versatility Thanos does. All this means supeman best bet as you say is to blitz right away full force and hope he can put him down. Problem is, that is something he just doesn't do
Energy blasts are not always the speed of light. We have many examples of characters (like Logan and Batman) dodging or blocking energy beams after they are fired. Plus dodging or evading a blast doesn't compare dodging or evading a Superman blitz.
2. Thanos isn't somebody who has average reflexes and average human neurons firing in his brain. We're talking about comic book characters who have abilities that defy logic and reason. Superman isn't attacking a mere human.. he's attacking somebody who is more powerful than him, more versatile and more durable. This means superman is at a basic disadvantage on paper. Your method you want superman to use, while not substantiated by on panel proof, imo still wouldn't work even if it was allowed. Thanos has shown to be able to react to speed in the past and in many situations... He's been able to react after a energy blast has been fired and teleport out of the way. He's done so multiple times.. blast i might add that in theory travel faster than superman. He's reacted to people who go translight who try and bull-rush him and he's reacted to them. He has shown the ability to react to speed and thus even if your tactic were viable, I see no reason why it would work on Thanos.
For the sake of argument, let's give Thanos super speed in which he can move his hand several feet in the same time light can move 20 or so feet. Now have Superman go towards Thanos just at light speed from 20 feet away. As Thanos is starting to move his hand Superman avoids it and simply moves behind or to the side him. Or Superman just vibrates through Thanos onto the other side. Remember Superman has super reflexes as well and will not be a dumb projectile and isn't just going to run into a Thanos attack while blitzing.
Second, Superman doesn't have to start his blitz from 20 feet away. He can start it from 7 feet away or even at close range. The closer Superman is to Thanos then the worst the speed disadvantage becomes for Thanos. A fight at close range (like 5 ft) would most definitely not have Thanos being able to move an inch before Superman throws a punch.
Thanos is only more powerful in his versatility. He doesn't possess more power than Superman. Thanos use the chair to teleport out of the way (after anticipating what Surfer was going to do in the first place). He doesn't have his chair here.
Thanos never reacted to someone coming at him at light speed or beyond from 20 feet or less away. Just because someone can move at translight doesn't mean they are doing it in a particular panel. They must prove that they can reach such speeds within battle distance (3 meters).
Originally posted by quanchi112
Such as ? When has Thanos ever lost to someone on Superman's tier ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I will chime in here to add this. Skyfather levels are just something the fans made up as a ranking system on battleboards and writers honestly couldn't care less. The fairest most objective way to view this is what the writer gives us. If Odin beats Galactus then this writer views Odin as superior for whatever reason and I will accept it until another writer changes it.This whole he's an abstract he wins or he's a skyfather he wins, he's multiversal, etc. is silly and suspends debate.
If someone can shut down a multiversal beings' mind then he can beat that person. This is in theory mind you. So all of these battle debates should be ultimately determined by their abilities, what's in character, and how they stack up against each other.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Do you think Superman gets 10/10 on Thanos as they're both depicted as a whole?
Not 10/10, but i see Superman taking at least 8/10. Am talking about no amps, no preps, just both of them not holding back and trying to absolutely kill the other.
With prep, Thanos strongest weapond is his HOTU, where as Superman strongest prep would be is Miracle Machine, and his CA Superman.
So with prep, and external help, Superman takes it.