Originally posted by Diesldude
yeah, they (carver) are making it sound like he couldn't do it without the amp.
Never said that he couldnt because I know for a fact that he can. What I said to H1 is to not use THAT ft because it required a amp (even though Superman CAN punch someone out of orbit). Weaker or similar people as Superman has done it so why cant he.
As for this thread... Superman would give Thanos a HELL OF A FIGHT... he would probably fight him better than almost any Herald could BUT, in the end he would lose. Thanos would know that he was in a fight though and Thanos would be cautious the second and 3rd time around but Superman just doesnt have to the tools to drop him.
Thanos 9 or 10/10 but he fights hard during each battle.
Originally posted by carver9
Never said that he couldnt because I know for a fact that he can. What I said to H1 is to not use THAT ft because it required a amp (even though Superman CAN punch someone out of orbit). Weaker or similar people as Superman has done it so why cant he.As for this thread... Superman would give Thanos a HELL OF A FIGHT... he would probably fight him better than almost any Herald could BUT, in the end he would lose. Thanos would know that he was in a fight though and Thanos would be cautious the second and 3rd time around but Superman just doesnt have to the tools to drop him.
Thanos 9 or 10/10 but he fights hard during each battle.
The feat applies though, because he's more powerful now than he was with that amp.
Originally posted by carver9
Never said that he couldnt because I know for a fact that he can. What I said to H1 is to not use THAT ft because it required a amp (even though Superman CAN punch someone out of orbit). Weaker or similar people as Superman has done it so why cant he.As for this thread... Superman would give Thanos a HELL OF A FIGHT... he would probably fight him better than almost any Herald could BUT, in the end he would lose. Thanos would know that he was in a fight though and Thanos would be cautious the second and 3rd time around but Superman just doesnt have to the tools to drop him.
Thanos 9 or 10/10 but he fights hard during each battle.
I only use the feat to show how powerful HP Superman was. Also current Superman is more powerful than Lobo Superman by feats. Current Superman has feats that prove he can achieve the Lobo feat and more. That means anything Lobo Superman did current Superman can also do.
This is like seeing colossus before the WWH arc lift a 50,000 ton carrier. Well since we know WWH is stronger than Colossus then he too can lift the 50,000 ton carrier.
Superman is both fast enough and strong enough to drop Thanos.
He will be hitting him with bombs that Thanos never felt before and he will hit with a multitude of them in a row that would cause fast and great damage. Superman was also use his speed to avoid Thanos attacks and counter him effectively. And don't let me even mention pressure points that Superman has mastered.
In the beginning, Superman takes some hits to gauge Thanos. Afterwards, Superman turns it up and makes Thanos his little girl.
Originally posted by h1a8
I only use the feat to show how powerful HP Superman was. Also current Superman is more powerful than Lobo Superman by feats. Current Superman has feats that prove he can achieve the Lobo feat and more. That means anything Lobo Superman did current Superman can also do.This is like seeing colossus before the WWH arc lift a 50,000 ton carrier. Well since we know WWH is stronger than Colossus then he too can lift the 50,000 ton carrier.
Superman is both fast enough and strong enough to drop Thanos.
He will be hitting him with bombs that Thanos never felt before and he will hit with a multitude of them in a row that would cause fast and great damage. Superman was also use his speed to avoid Thanos attacks and counter him effectively. And don't let me even mention pressure points that Superman has mastered.In the beginning, Superman takes some hits to gauge Thanos. Afterwards, Superman turns it up and makes Thanos his little girl.
We do not know at all how powerful that Superman was... there are no caculations given for that Superman vs this Superman. He could have been skyfather level for all we know. Using an amped character, no matter if the character has grown in power since though days, isnt a valid way to debate but since Pr has classified it as a valid ft, I cant argue against it.
Originally posted by carver9
Sigh*
You not liking it doesn't mean it's not true.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
skaar did the same thing to the juggernaut, i don't see the big deal.there is no doubt superman got stronger since then but that feat is not the uber showing h1's making it out to be
Aye.
Originally posted by carver9
We do not know at all how powerful that Superman was... there are no caculations given for that Superman vs this Superman. He could have been skyfather level for all we know. Using an amped character, no matter if the character has grown in power since though days, isnt a valid way to debate but since Pr has classified it as a valid ft, I cant argue against it.
Excuse me?
Originally posted by psycho gundam
skaar did the same thing to the juggernaut, i don't see the big deal.there is no doubt superman got stronger since then but that feat is not the uber showing h1's making it out to be
LOL... I know its not, thats why I am debating against it because he dont know what he is talking about. I'm about to leave it alone though.
Originally posted by -Pr-
The feat applies though, because he's more powerful now than he was with that amp.
Is he?
The Lobo feat is nothing he couldn't do even early post crisis, but there's also easily moving a moon sized ship, and surviving in space without even needing to breath..
They reinstated his need to breath since, didn't they?
Originally posted by -Pr-
You not liking it doesn't mean it's not true.Aye.
Excuse me?
Its not that I dont like it because I know Superman could possibly repeat it. I sighed because I used similar things in the past and people discredited it because the character was amped "even though the current version was just as powerful".
LOL... that post wasnt against you Pr... I stated that if you ruled it as a valid ft, I am not the one to argue against it... that is something Bada or Digi would have to do.
So all in all, I agree with the ft.
Originally posted by carver9
We do not know at all how powerful that Superman was... there are no caculations given for that Superman vs this Superman. He could have been skyfather level for all we know. Using an amped character, no matter if the character has grown in power since though days, isnt a valid way to debate but since Pr has classified it as a valid ft, I cant argue against it.
Carver these characters don't exist. There is no such thing as "He could have been skyfather level." since he never existed. The only thing we can go on is what is SHOWN. Anything not shown or alluded to doesn't exist.
Bruce Banner is amped when he becomes the Hulk right?
Well other Hulks (like WWH) are also amped too.
But how do we know which amped Bruce Banner is strongest?
By feats right?
Originally posted by h1a8
Carver these characters don't exist. There is no such thing as "He could have been skyfather level." since he never existed. The only thing we can go on is what is SHOWN. Anything not shown or alluded to doesn't exist.Bruce Banner is amped when he becomes the Hulk right?
Well other Hulks (like WWH) are also amped too.
But how do we know which amped Bruce Banner is strongest?
By feats right?
I dont use amped character as any type of clarification on what a character can do.
NOOOOO... if we go by fts, Savage Hulk would be stronger. We go by portrayel. WWH classified himself as being significantly more powerful than his classic self along with numerous of other beings. Lifting fts are nice and all but sometimes "they just dont count".
Example... Gladiator has busted planets, survived solar system destruction blasts, swam through star 100 millions miles wide and clocked Heralds but when he faced Tyrant who doesnt have a single lifting ft under his belt, he got 3 shotted.
Another Example... Surfer has shedded planets, created enormous size black hole with mere energy blast, etc, etc, NIIIIICE fts but those fts doesnt matter when he face someone like Thanos or Thor.
Thor has damaged Celestials, survived attacks from his pissed father, koed Galactus, bust Galactus skull open... he HAVE the best fts out of all of the Heralds but when he face Hulk or even Thanos, it doesnt turn out so smooth for him.
Same with Monarch who doesnt have lifting fts... same with Doomsday, Konvikt, Darkseid, and the list goes on.
Lifting fts help sometimes but you tend to over do it buddy. Another example, it took both Superman and Captain Marvel to lift the book of infinite pages. Well, Ultraman did it by himself and with better ease but Superman still curbed him.
Originally posted by carver9
Lifting fts help sometimes but you tend to over do it buddy. Another example, it took both Superman and Captain Marvel to lift the book of infinite pages. Well, Ultraman did it by himself and with better ease but Superman still curbed him.
You're right about the lifting feat, but just for the record that was a different Ultraman than the one in Trinity.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
golden superman is weaker than golden-age superman by feats
Because while AC#1 Superman was around Low-Mid Meta late Golden Age Superman was doing stuff like grabbing an atomic bomb and having it detonate in his hand without it so much as tickling him.
I disagree though. Golden Superman had at least one good feat: using the last GL ring to crush Solaris. Idk if Superman ever did anything on that level during the Golden Age. Silver Age he did shit like that and more.