Originally posted by carver9
I dont use amped character as any type of clarification on what a character can do.
Is WWH stronger than an amped Namor (in water)? If so, then anything Namor can lift WWH can also.
NOOOOO... if we go by fts, Savage Hulk would be stronger. We go by portrayel. WWH classified himself as being significantly more powerful than his classic self along with numerous of other beings. Lifting fts are nice and all but sometimes "they just dont count".
False, by feats Savage Hulk isn't stronger. Portrayal holds no water if it contradicts on panel evidence.
Example... Gladiator has busted planets, survived solar system destruction blasts, swam through star 100 millions miles wide and clocked Heralds but when he faced Tyrant who doesnt have a single lifting ft under his belt, he got 3 shotted.
Strength and durability are two different things. Anyone with equal strength or less can 3 shot another. Glads got hit with a sucker blow.
Another Example... Surfer has shedded planets, created enormous size black hole with mere energy blast, etc, etc, NIIIIICE fts but those fts doesnt matter when he face someone like Thanos or Thor.
That's because of jobbing and PIS. Face it, it exists. Otherwise you would see Surfer create black holes, phase, create shields, etc. when fighting Thor or Thanos.
Thor has damaged Celestials, survived attacks from his pissed father, koed Galactus, bust Galactus skull open... he HAVE the best fts out of all of the Heralds but when he face Hulk or even Thanos, it doesnt turn out so smooth for him.
He never bust Galactus skull open. You must use to get on the short yellow bus a lot. Physically damaging Celestial armor isn't impressive since Celestials arent as durable as adamantium. Damaging it with energy force is PIS, and thus doesn't count for Thor. Thor never koed Galactus. What does this have to do with strength feats anyway?
Same with Monarch who doesnt have lifting fts... same with Doomsday, Konvikt, Darkseid, and the list goes on.
No! We know DD is stronger than Superman because of direct grapple.
Lifting fts help sometimes but you tend to over do it buddy. Another example, it took both Superman and Captain Marvel to lift the book of infinite pages. Well, Ultraman did it by himself and with better ease but Superman still curbed him.
Infinite feats are invalid and can't be used to debate with. Also, who beats who has nothing to do with who is stronger. Remember that.