Originally posted by h1a8
Are going to debate or troll?
How fast can Superman move based on feats, how fast can Thanos move?
Would you say that Superman is about 50 times faster, 100 times faster, 1000 times faster, what?
If you want to actually debate comics, I'll be more than happy to; however that means no CBR-style powerset arguments and use of your fake math.
Originally posted by Silent MasterFull capacity, no PIS showings, etc.
If you want to actually debate comics, I'll be more than happy to; however that means no CBR-style powerset arguments and use of your fake math.
I definitely won't use fake math at all. I'll be conservative for everything. So if Thor is more than 100x stronger than Spiderman then I'll just prove he's at least 10x stronger or just significantly.
Let's go.
My first argument is that Superman will use his speed in this fight. Maybe not at first, until he knows how powerful Thanos is (although he has basic knowledge). It's Superman's character to determine how powerful his opponent is so that he doesn't accidentally kill them or hurt then too badly.
So Superman may take a hit or two in order to gauge Thanos.
Superman's reflexes will not be suddenly turned off. That means he will have his reflexes at all times (contrary to what comics show to help the plot out).
Since these two characters never faced then we can't use direct comparisons or portrayal to gauge their strength. We must use direct feats (striking, wrestling, lifting, etc).
Thanos top strength feats are almost killing Surfer in 7 AMPED hits (although I can argue that wasn't Surfer at his best), Getting a planet to destroy itself in his wrestle with Drax, overpowering Merged Hulk and Thing.
We all know Superman's feats (planet lifting, moving, etc). But Superman holds back. That means Thanos would appear stronger in the beginning until Superman decides to let loose more.
Thanos has great damage soak and great durability against energy. It's safe to say that the hv isn't doing much to him. But blunt force is where Thanos is most vulnerable as shown in his entire history. Every time a high herald or above have struck him he was affected in some way.
Any tactic I use for Superman is one where he actually used multiple times in his history (like freeze breath slowdown, going intangible at times, blitzing, etc.)
My argument is that Thanos will hurt Superman badly in the beginning due to Superman holding back and gauging Thanos. He will then let loose, using speed and near top strength. His reflexes will always be on.
This is why I believe Superman wins. No fake math, no cbr
Originally posted by Silent Mastertaking the lazy way huh.
The problem with that is you consider almost everything that goes against your view as PIS and don't think I don't know what you mean by "full capacity".
The forum rules gives an example of Full Capacity rule using the Flash example. The rule concerns a characters powers, not their strategy of fighting (that's character). The rule is put there to insure that a character doesn't lose his ability or forget his powers in battle. And that the character operates at optimal ability at all times. What do you think the Full Capacity rule talks about?
Originally posted by h1a8lol, the Runner > Flash in speed. He's Zoom level.
Thanos hasn't beaten faster. Those he fought didn't use Superman level speed or beyond on him.Superman's strength feats are beyond's Thanos.
Thanos is a brick with a shield when fighting someone as fast as Superman. When fighting someone operating at his own speeds then he is very versatile.
Thanos two pieced Surfer and can no show Mjoinir throws, as much as Lob & Kal Queda don't want to admit Thor & Supes are very comparative in strength.
Lol. 35%
That's what I mean, Thanos beating him with the gem isn't applicable in other fights when he doesn't have the gem. For example here he won't be able to deage Superman like he did the Runner. Not that it matters though since most people already agree that Thanos wins anyway and wouldn't need gems to beat Supes.
Seems like were still on the same page with Thanos winning here then. I don't think speed is going to be a factor when damage soak can pretty much take anything Supes can dish out.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
lol, the Runner > Flash in speed. He's Zoom level.Thanos two pieced Surfer and can no show Mjoinir throws, as much as Lob & Kal Queda don't want to admit Thor & Supes are very comparative in strength.
Lol. 35%
Runner>>>Thanos
Thanos beat him with the time gem and not on his own power.
So why bring up the runner?
Thanos 7 pieced Surfer. Learn to count. Surfer wasn't using his top speed on Thanos.
Slowing Mjolnir throws is relevant how? Any herald can bat it away with a durable object.
We go by feats. How can two beings be comparable in strength when one's strength feats is FAR beyond the others?
You are bias . Use evidence for once and stop saying stupid things based off how you feel.
Stop being an idiot, you keep saying you want to debate but all you want to do is troll.
Runner had the gem, first and foremost.
I'm not sure what your talking about here, context might help but with you I'm not holding my breath.
Lulz no, that's astronomically stupid.
do you want to argue feats AGAIN?
Okay, that's just funny. The irony is palpable.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
Stop being an idiot, you keep saying you want to debate but all you want to do is troll.Runner had the gem, first and foremost.
I'm not sure what your talking about here, context might help but with you I'm not holding my breath.
Lulz no, that's astronomically stupid.
do you want to argue feats AGAIN?
Okay, that's just funny. The irony is palpable.
Ok so runner had the Gem. So Thanos never fought runner without the gem. So why is he relevant?
You are the troll. You are just giving illogical opinions based off what you want to be the case. You won't even rebut the argument, because you can't. It's beyond your level of intellect. That's why you resort to flaming, trolling, and bashing.
I gave sound and logical argument. Debate or ignore. Stop with all the flaming and trolling stuff.
Originally posted by Reflassshh
Pym gonna pym 👆Thanos wins, though, too much versatile and high stats with a HUGE damage soak.
Only superman beating thanos is OWAW sundipped superman.