Originally posted by CreshoskBut you see if the PF is destroyed Death itself can die. What you said would be true if death did hold power over everything that gets killed/destroyed. In marvel things can be beyond the concept of death.
Because Death who has the power over .. you know Death.. could just deny the death... since that's their power.It's totally ignoring what Death can do. There was no reason for Death to ask.
Originally posted by kgkgThe event really doesn't show that Galactus is above the PF.. otherwise Reed Richards would be above Galactus.
But you see if the PF is destroyed Death itself can die. What you said would be true if death did hold power over everything that gets killed/destroyed. In marvel things can be beyond the concept of death.
More over it does show that the PF is a necessary abstract that is outside of Death's real. basically being the abstract that its the counter part to Death.
And Eternity is capable of dying, being that Eternity represents a universe, and Universes are capable of dying.
Therefore PF is above Eternity.
Originally posted by SuperEvilActually Jean, being the PotWC is the anthropomorphism, or personification of the Phoenix Force at this point in time, besides the usual bird of fire visage. Just like this is the personification of Eternity:
Alot of you can't seem to distinguish between a host of the PF(I.E Jean and Rachel) and the PF itself. The PF itself is an omniversal entity that houses within it all current sentient life and all sentient life that ever will exist.
And this is the personification for death:
Originally posted by Creshosk The event really doesn't show that Galactus is above the PF.. otherwise Reed Richards would be above Galactus.Well that’s not what I'm arguing here. I’m just arguing why death begging someone does not have to be PIS. I don't think I said that PF was below Galactus.
Originally posted by Creshosk More over it does show that the PF is a necessary abstract that is outside of Death's real. basically being the abstract that its the counter part to Death.
Originally posted by Creshosk And Eternity is capable of dying, being that Eternity represents a universe, and Universes are capable of dying.That really depends. These concepts seem to come in packages like Multiversal concept of death, Universal ect. But most concepts have been seen as universal and multiversal few times like Order and Choas etc. And eternity is usually ranked higher then them. The answer really depends what you considered Eternity to be.
Originally posted by Creshosk Therefore PF is above Eternity.I would Agree but it's debatable especially with Marvel inconsistent portal of abstracts.
Originally posted by kgkgDidn't say you did though. Just when its shown that Phoenix can fight Galactus and not be phased by his blasts people tend to mention that.
Well that’s not what I'm arguing here. I’m just arguing why death begging someone does not have to be PIS. I don't think I said that PF was below Galactus.
Originally posted by kgkgYup. She's basically the abstract "Life"
So what is the problem? If the source of life dies <PF> that would cause Death to vanish as well no? One cannot exist without the other.
Originally posted by kgkgI just remember seeing things like Quentin or gerruad, can't remember which, flying outside of eternity to heal a dying eternity. and it wasn't just the manifestation of holding a galaxy looking thing in their hands it was the personification of eternity.
That really depends. These concepts seem to come in packages like Multiversal concept of death, Universal ect. But most concepts have been seen as universal and multiversal few times like Order and Choas etc. And eternity is usually ranked higher then them. The answer really depends what you considered Eternity to be.
Originally posted by kgkgYeah.
I would Agree but it's debatable especially with Marvel inconsistent portal of abstracts.
Originally posted by SuperEvilBut there's only one that's the phoenix of the white crown. The others are just hosts.
Yeah but jean does not posess the totality of its power only a portion of its power just like 616 etrnity only posesses a portion of multi-eterniy's power. Because the PF has other avatars through out the multiverse
What are you reading that made you come to this conclusion? Is it having not read certain multiversally spanning arcs or key information about the character? Such as "Here comes tomorrow" where jean is seen holding a universe in her hand and severs a possible bad future from 616. After she had been "killed" (Somehow with an EMP even though we use powerful electromagnets to scan a person's brain as the energy waves don't have the physical nature to do what it was portrayed to do with the given explanation)... or the Endsong where Jean tells another manifestation that they are one?
Originally posted by kgkgBut you see if the PF is destroyed Death itself can die.
If the PF dies, nothing happens to Death,
Death will continue to flourish in her realm.
And to add to that truth,
any entity/being that is self-sustained (without the need of Stars to live)
will survive as well.
👆 (easily)
Originally posted by CreshoskMore over it does show that the PF is a necessary abstract that is outside of Death's real. basically being the abstract that its the counter part to Death.
Originally posted by CreshoskAnd Eternity is capable of dying,
being that Eternity represents a universe,
and Universes are capable of dying.Therefore PF is above Eternity.
Phoenix dies just like anything else dies,
then is reborn like all the other abstracts.
And Phoenix is nothing next to Eternity, or any other major abstract.
Originally posted by Creshosk[B]I just remember seeing things like Quentin or gerruad,
can't remember which,
flying outside of eternity to heal a dying eternity. [B]
Eternity healed on his own, under his own power.
Originally posted by Mr MasterWhich means the thing with galactus being asked not to kill the pf by death is PIS.
👆 (easily)Death has controlled the PF before, literally making it its pawn.
😐
Phoenix dies just like anything else dies,
then is reborn like all the other abstracts.And Phoenix is nothing next to Eternity, or any other major abstract.
Thank you for discarding that feat for me.
Oh wait it s you the phoenix hater. You have no credibility anyway. Gopod day to you hater.
Originally posted by Mr Master
That was Giraud,
and he didn't heal that aspect/fragment (singular universe) of Eternity,
he only cautarized the wound.
(like the old days when you got shot, they cautarized the wound with a hot knife point)Eternity healed on his own, under his own power.
Eternity did heal on his own, but it was with PF help that he could heal from the first place when PF cauterized the wound.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Which means the thing with galactus being asked not to kill the pf by death is PIS.Thank you for discarding that feat for me.
Phoenix was getting erased from eexistence by Galactus,
not just dying.
next.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Oh wait it s you the phoenix hater. You have no credibility anyway.Gopod day to you hater.
You have no credibility anyway.
Gopod day to you hater.
Originally posted by XplosiveEternity did heal on his own,
but it was with PF help that he could heal from the first place when PF cauterized the wound.
This isn't a contest concerning the cauterization of wounds,
this is a battle, like the one where he got stomped by Dormy like a child.
Originally posted by Mr MasterDeath should have been able to prevent it herself without begging... It's PIS.
😐Phoenix was getting erased from eexistence by Galactus,
not just dying.next.
Originally posted by Mr MasterNo that'sd be you, you're notoriously known for underrating phoenix. That's whom you hate. Who is it I hate?
Oh wait it s you the hater .... period.You have no credibility anyway.
Gopod day to you hater.
No one.
You're the hater.