The Phoenix Force vs. Eternity

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea, in that alternate future,
only Giraud was able to cauterize the wound, of that alternate singular aspect of Eternity.
meanwhile, that same Giraud got owned lovely by Dormammu,
heck, Dormy owned all the Guardians of the Galaxy (including Giraud) simultaneously.

This isn't a contest concerning the cauterization of wounds,
this is a battle, like the one where he got stomped by Dormy like a child.

Congratulations you used faulty logic.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Death should have been able to prevent it herself without begging... It's PIS.

Death can't interfere with Galactus' actions,
he specifically stated that in that issue.

Originally posted by Creshosk

No that'sd be you, you're notoriously known for underrating phoenix. That's whom you hate. Who is it I hate?

No one.

You're the hater.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Oh, ABC logic.. in that case Mr. Fantastic is above Galactus.

Congratulations you used faulty logic.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's PIS to you, but it's a Marvel canon fact,

Originally posted by Mr Master
if you don't like it, that's fine.[]/b]

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Death can't interfere with Galactus' actions,
he specifically stated that in that issue.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude, either debate Marvel comics, or just shut the F up. 👆

Originally posted by Creshosk

Oh you mean like how Spiderman beating up firelord happened in marvel canon
but isn't used here because its PIS?

Galactus has tech that can remake Eternity,
how can taking out Phoenix be a big deal. 😂

Originally posted by Creshosk

I've also explained why its illogical. It was there merely for the sake of plot.

Originally posted by Creshosk

And Mr. Fantastic is above Galactus too!

Originally posted by Creshosk

Reported.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Irrelevant, and inconsequential comparison,

Originally posted by Mr Master
since the difference between FLvsSP is miles apart concerning PF getting erased by Galactus.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Galactus has tech that can remake Eternity,
how can taking out Phoenix be a big deal. 😂

Unsupported, self indulged opinion,
it holds no value since it directly contradicts Marvel Comics On panel facts,.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Still ... 😐[]/b]

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Reported.

Ok Friends relax

Just two powerful characters

Who wins or loses....Its ok

Ur both my friends, just agree to disagree

I question the guy who bumped this thread, it should've stayed dormant

😂

i love PF threads . . . 😄

of course, the winner depends entirely upon what you believe the PF actually is.

Originally posted by Creshosk
The event really doesn't show that Galactus is above the PF.. otherwise Reed Richards would be above Galactus.

More over it does show that the PF is a necessary abstract that is outside of Death's real. basically being the abstract that its the counter part to Death.

No, it shows that the Phoenix is an essential force to the universe like Galactus, Death, Chaos, Order, etc. In fact, that book points out that the PF is one of the primal forces of the universe.

And Eternity is capable of dying, being that Eternity represents a universe, and Universes are capable of dying.

Therefore PF is above Eternity. [/B]

LOL. And life can not end? Space, time, energy, and matter can all exist without life. In fact, life is a rare within the universe. PF is not even close to Eternity's power

Originally posted by Creshosk
Death should have been able to prevent it herself without begging... It's PIS.

Death does not claim everything. It's Oblivion that holds authority to beings erased from existence or nullified.

So yeah, Eternity stomps PF.

Right, and the UN puts reed above galactus

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/hosted/phoenix1.jpg

Phoenix stomps.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
No, it shows that the Phoenix is an essential force to the universe like Galactus, Death, Chaos, Order, etc. In fact, that book points out that the PF is one of the primal forces of the universe.

LOL. And life can not end? Space, time, energy, and matter can all exist without life. In fact, life is a rare within the universe. PF is not even close to Eternity's power

Death does not claim everything. It's Oblivion that holds authority to beings erased from existence or nullified.

So yeah, Eternity stomps PF.

So why does Eternity confrim that with the Phoenix Force, the Stranger can destroy the universe, replacing all the abstracts making him the sole survivor able to re-write it all to his specifications? The Phoenix is/sparks the big bang and predates all the abstracts, imo the Phoenix is not an abstract, but pure creation/destruction that becomes an entitiy by bonding to mortals. Somebody mentioned before that Phoenix can't exsist without the Eternity, but apparently it can since it predates Eternity and the universe would not be with a big bang.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Right, and the UN puts reed above galactus

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/Creshosk/hosted/phoenix1.jpg

Phoenix stomps.

Because Reed owns the UN. 🙄

And wait, where in the first post does it say this fight is in the white room? The same room that was warped like nothing by Jamie?

LordKaos

So why does Eternity confrim that with the Phoenix Force, the Stranger can destroy the universe, replacing all the abstracts making him the sole survivor able to re-write it all to his specifications?

Not at all. Jean, Toad, Juggernaut, and Mystique were the people he was going to use to accomplish that. Not the Phoenix. Eternity spoke to Jean because she had reached divinity before through the Phoenix. Stranger used the visual imagery of the Phoenix to explain evolution of life into abstracts. There was no Phoenix Force manifesting it's true self in that arc. In fact, when they fought Stranger there was no Phoenix at all.

The Phoenix is/sparks the big bang and predates all the abstracts, imo the Phoenix is not an abstract, but pure creation/destruction that becomes an entitiy by bonding to mortals.

No. The Phoenix is a mere representation of the spark like Eternity is of the universe/multiverse/life/time/space/all there is or Oblivion of nothingness. The Phoenix is an abstract, one of the fundamental forces of the universe as pointed out by Death and the Watcher to Galactus. IT is among one of them not above any of them. IT doesn't create them at all nor has any abstract viewed it in that manner. The majority of stories show the abstracts look to Eternity, LT, and the one above all is the top beings of the existence.

Somebody mentioned before that Phoenix can't exsist without the Eternity, but apparently it can since it predates Eternity and the universe would not be with a big bang.

Nope. It is not the creator itself. It may be a creation force, the spark, but it is not the creator. It represents creation like I pointed above. It's the creator/TOAA who decided the universe needed care takers (Annihilation pointed this out with Tenebrous/Aegis). Existence is still being taken care of by Celestials/Galactus/Death/PF/Eternity/LT.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Because Reed owns the UN. 🙄 []/b]

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
[B]And wait, where in the first post does it say this fight is in the white room? The same room that was warped like nothing by Jamie?

Oh I get it, since there's no reason to add that last part you're just someone who hates phoenix as well and thus intentionally misinterprets scans to intentionally underrate her. That explains the inclusion of something entirely irrelevant. To me you and Mr. Master are much like stormfront or 2damnloud or rutog.

But hey, way to miss the point.

Anything to underrate the phoenix. 👆

Originally posted by Creshosk
Hey Reed used that technology one time to beat Galactus. therefore Reed is above galactus.

Oh hey, that technology which Galactus used on Phoenix is a part of himself. His entire ship is a part of him.

That's your logic here. you don't have to acknowledge it and will probably deny it. But its true.

True of what? That Galactus could be it?

Right because Jamie = Eternity right?

Now you're getting it. Eternity>>>>Jamie.

Oh I get it, since there's no reason to add that last part you're just someone who hates phoenix as well and thus intentionally misinterprets scans to intentionally underrate her. That explains the inclusion of something entirely irrelevant. To me you and Mr. Master are much like stormfront or 2damnloud or rutog.

Hahahaha. She did nothing of the sort. She changed Scott's mind and prevented the whole thing.

But hey, way to miss the point.

😆 Oh so now you're pissed.

Anything to underrate the phoenix. 👆 [/B]

Nah, I'm just not going to exaggerate the Phoenix Force like you that's into some sort of creator of everything including the abstracts.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Oh hey, that technology which Galactus used on Phoenix is a part of himself. His entire ship is a part of him.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
True of what? That Galactus could be it?[]/b]

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
[B]Nah, I'm just not going to exaggerate the Phoenix Force like you that's into some sort of creator of everything including the abstracts.

It’s difficult to say, how this match would come about. On paper, I would like to believe there is a clear cut winner when it comes Abstract’s facing Abstracts. But I would bet on Eternity would win over Phoenix. Not because Phoenix lacks the power, to harm Eternity. But because, Eternity has less limitations such as the need of a human host. Whose limited perspective, acts as an inhibitor to realize an abstracts full potential.

Guys, stop trolling and flaming and stay on topic.

Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]Right... 🙄

That a one time showing using something external equates to that charaacter being higher despite previous showings. You know a firelord vs spiderman sort of thing.

Oh, but when Phoenix beat Galactus it isn't. LOL

Apparently you understand Eternity to be something aside from what I do. Since Eternity is a representation of a universe I have to disagree with you.

Eternity represents many things not just the universe. He's also been said to be space, time, life, and all there is. That's why the other abstracts look to him and why so many refer to themselves as his children.

Uh huh.. ignore on panel evidence and lie about it... That's not trolling in the slightest.

You're one scan that leaves out what happened before and after it? Unlike others who might not have read that book, I have. She fixed it when she changed Scott's mind and prevented the until future from happening, thus fixing everything.

Is that what you get from that? You don't have very good reading comprehension abilities... which explains your stance.

My reading comprehension is still tiers above your's and it's obvious. You can't even read one book without twisting what's shown on panel. Dyslexic much, Creshok?

I never said she was that. I said that as the embodiment of life she an abstract that's death's equal. You know, her being Life. an abstract that is curiously absent if you exclude the PF...

Oh wait, I recall Eternity being the representation of life as well. Hmmm and Death's opposite. It fact Death mentioned him as her brother and opposing force far more than it's referred to Phoenix as being such. So actually, in fact, exclude the Phoenix by all means since Eternity is in fact life as well and well before Phoenix was ever written into a Marvel book.

I think, that if you ever want to see any form of rationalization in regards to this topic. Members need to agree, what’s the Phoenix Force “purpose” and role in the Marvel Universe.

Power Comparison would be a secondary objection.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This isn't a contest concerning the cauterization of wounds,
this is a battle, like the one where he got stomped by Dormy like a child.

Yes and there is also an alternate where PF stomps Dormammu like an insect.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
PF is not even close to Eternity's power.

I think it's other way around.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Not at all. Jean, Toad, Juggernaut, and Mystique were the people he was going to use to accomplish that. Not the Phoenix. Eternity spoke to Jean because she had reached divinity before through the Phoenix. Stranger used the visual imagery of the Phoenix to explain evolution of life into abstracts. There was no Phoenix Force manifesting it's true self in that arc. In fact, when they fought Stranger there was no Phoenix at all.

But Jean is Phoenix.