The Phoenix Force vs. Eternity

Originally posted by Xplosive
Yes and there is also an alternate where PF stomps Dormammu like an insect.

I think it's other way around.

But Jean is Phoenix.

? Would you like to point out why if she was Phoenix did it take a combined effort of Iceman, Mystique, Juggernaut, Toad, and Jean to defeat the Stranger?

The keys are the five, not the Phoenix Force. The guy who mastered minded the whole thing brought them all there together because he needed them all. Unless you actually believe the Phoenix Force actually turned into Eternity as depicted in the book.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Oh, but when Phoenix beat Galactus it isn't. LOL

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Eternity represents many things not just the universe. He's also been said to be space, time, life, and all there is. That's why the other abstracts look to him and why so many refer to themselves as his children.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
You're one scan that leaves out what happened before and after it? Unlike others who might not have read that book, I have. She fixed it when she changed Scott's mind and prevented the until future from happening, thus fixing everything.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
My reading comprehension is still tiers above your's and it's obvious.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
You can't even read one book without twisting what's shown on panel. Dyslexic much, Creshok?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Oh wait, I recall Eternity being the representation of life as well. Hmmm and Death's opposite. It fact Death mentioned him as her brother and opposing force far more than it's referred to Phoenix as being such. So actually, in fact, exclude the Phoenix by all means since Eternity is in fact life as well and well before Phoenix was ever written into a Marvel book.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
? Would you like to point out why if she was Phoenix did it take a combined effort of Iceman, Mystique, Juggernaut, Toad, and Jean to defeat the Stranger?

The keys are the five, not the Phoenix Force. The guy who mastered minded the whole thing brought them all there together because he needed them all. Unless you actually believe the Phoenix Force actually turned into Eternity as depicted in the book.

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Originally posted by Creshosk
[B]Not since its happened more than once.

What two instances do you have?

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Eh, I just see him as the personification of a universe.. which is why there can be an alternate one that Quentin had to cauterize the wound of.

And that's what you're accusing me of, just seeing things my way. Within a universe, life, time, energy, space, etc. exist.

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And all that other stuff is irrelevant huh? Nice.

So long as you agree that she changed Scott's mind which prevented the future outcome.

Not in the slightest.. you're projecting though.

Why would I bother projecting anything on you when it is you already? It's just redundant.

And yet every time phoenix's title is mentioned she is life incarnate.

So what? Eon and Chronus have been mentioned as abstracts represent time as well. It doesn't mean Eternity isn't. Eternity has been at this longer than Phoenix has so I don't think the MU would have a problem if Phoenix was not the representation of life.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Its one of those metaphysical things that you obviously don't understand.

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What's there to understand? That the keys were five people and not just Jean Grey? That was confident they were right after the conversed with the abstracts and understood she was given permission to take out the Stranger?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
And that's what you're accusing me of, just seeing things my way. Within a universe, life, time, energy, space, etc. exist.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
So long as you agree that she changed Scott's mind which prevented the future outcome.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Why would I bother projecting anything on you when it is you already? It's just redundant.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
So what? Eon and Chronus have been mentioned as abstracts represent time as well. It doesn't mean Eternity isn't. Eternity has been at this longer than Phoenix has so I don't think the MU would have a problem if Phoenix was not the representation of life.

This last part kinda goes counter to what you said earlier:

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
No, it shows that the Phoenix is an essential force to the universe like Galactus, Death, Chaos, Order, etc. In fact, that book points out that the PF is one of the primal forces of the universe.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
What's there to understand? That the keys were five people and not just Jean Grey? That was confident they were right after the conversed with the abstracts and understood she was given permission to take out the Stranger?

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
? Would you like to point out why if she was Phoenix did it take a combined effort of Iceman, Mystique, Juggernaut, Toad, and Jean to defeat the Stranger?

I pointed that generally. They are one and the same as confirmed. Jean is Phoenix.

You know what? With as inconsistant as Marvel is about their High level cosmic beings it would be pretty easy to come to two different conclusions based on different interpritations.

What do you say we agree to disagree, White Witch King?

I say Eternity

Originally posted by Creshosk
You know what? With as inconsistant as Marvel is about their High level cosmic beings it would be pretty easy to come to two different conclusions based on different interpritations.

What do you say we agree to disagree, White Witch King?

Fine. 🙁

Originally posted by LordKaos

So why does Eternity confrim that with the Phoenix Force, the Stranger can destroy the universe, replacing all the abstracts making him the sole survivor able to re-write it all to his specifications? The Phoenix is/sparks the big bang and predates all the abstracts, imo the Phoenix is not an abstract, but pure creation/destruction that becomes an entitiy by bonding to mortals. Somebody mentioned before that Phoenix can't exsist without the Eternity, but apparently it can since it predates Eternity and the universe would not be with a big bang.

... especially ...

"The Phoenix is/sparks the big bang and predates all the abstracts" 😆

I mean good lord, are they giving out cheeba to kids at school now?

I see ur thread Guy222 garnering more thoughts

I saw darling

kiss

The Force returns

It's hard for me to decide who's worse - Phoenix Force or Chaos King? Both are horrible concepts/characters.

They are called Writers and Editors. They posses the cosmic powers to retcon and rewrite comic reality.

Originally posted by Estacado
And there are forces above the Presence called the External Forces. 😐

I like the Force 😛

Editors>Writers ✅

Originally posted by CortSether
It's hard for me to decide who's worse - Phoenix Force or Chaos King? Both are horrible concepts/characters.

I agree with you on this point about CK, but the PF before Endsong/Warsong/etc.. garbage was actually very well thought out. But like you said, it's dead to me now.

Originally posted by CortSether
It's hard for me to decide who's worse - Phoenix Force or Chaos King? Both are horrible concepts/characters.

ahah

I think we need more posting like this around here. biscuits