Ken Masters vs Kim Kaphwan
The hero of justice versus the Pan American champion/Masters family heir.
Both men have something to prove, which is which style is stronger: Ansatsuken or Taekwondo. They also want to prove to their respective offspring (Kim Jae Hoon and Kim Dong Hwan for Kim, Mel Masters for Ken) that they are indeed the strongest.
Stage: Ryu's Alpha 3 stage
i kinda agree with Emperor.
if its anywhere from SFA to SF2 Ken, then i think Kim takes it since he works harder and is more experienced. also it wont be the first time he'd be taking on a guy with fire or projectils either. but if memory serves me right, this would be the first time Ken is going to be up against a taekwondo guy..that also of Kim's calibre. so at any rate, it is NOT easy at all.
SF3 Ken agaisnt Kim would be a good fight since by now ken has sobered up as well and is more focused. maturity finally set in for him here. if its SF3 Ken then i think it'll be Ken. otherwise, Kim.
Would be a nice showcase of kicks, but unfortunately Ken outclasses Kim in every department, except the colgate smile.
Originally posted by Sado22
iTHIS is what pisses me off about SF fans. SF guys just happen to outclass every one around! its like no one can match up to their repertioire of 3 to 4 moves. what the hell?
when it comes to kicks, Kim probably has the best ones around. Ken is flashy...but Kim is powerful, fast AND flashy. not to mention how phoenix combo is freakin blur of speed and skill. not even a single move of ken can match its speed. not shoryureppa, not shinryuken, not shippujinreikyaku. almost all of Kim's moves are like that. like i said, pre SF3, ken is up for some serious ass whipping. SF3 ken would take it but that too after a tough fight.
~Sado
Well, not really sado, it depends on how you compare characters. when it comes to capcom and snk they each value different things. Consistent: ability, experience, stats, etc versus feats, the former being more important to capcom while the later to snk and thats the problem. Snk has a huge habit of ignoring a persons ability, skill, experience in favor of miricale feats.Capcom on the other hand is the opposite and if miracle feats do occur it's usually explained. here's an example: Gill was defeated by alex and sagat by dan. But, capcom has stated they forfeited due to explicit reasons. Compare that to snk, what explanation was put forth for igniz? Despite having every fighter in KOF 2001 fighitng data, the kusanagi flame (Which is one of the most powerful powers in kof), The Anti-Thesis to the kusanagi flame (Kula), 3 boss characters as body guards fighting in a damn TEAM, and the ability to steal fighting energy. He lost to 3 people, that's a mircale feat if I've ever seen one. Kim, Takuma, geese and the rest of the veteran fighters. despite having leagues of experience they get bested and surpassed by some highschool kid with flames that saves the world. If kim was a street fighter he would be around gens tier easily. like all the Master/Veteran fighters are. Bottomline masters get shitted on in kof, and I hate that.
Kim beats ken, no matter what version, Ken is a slacker. He doesn't slack like say kyo. But, he isn't what I consider a master versus kim.
ken maybe a slacker , but he trains very hard , hard enough to go foe to foe against ryu any day of the week . Is Kim capable of matching foe to foe equally against kyo kusanagi or terry bogardy?
Emperor , i really think there are almost no one in the snk or in capcoms universe who can be considered a true master , even ryu himself said he isnt one(he is probaly the sickest bastard when it comes down to train) .Besides , Kims taekwondo in its majority are fancy kicks with too much swings and very few power , they arent compact at all , and like the gracie family said , fancy kicks will get you nowhere , the key for victory is the least power with the greatest results.
Originally posted by Hoshi
ken maybe a slacker , but he trains very hard , hard enough to go foe to foe against ryu any day of the week . Is Kim capable of matching foe to foe equally against kyo kusanagi or terry bogardy?Emperor , i really think there are almost no one in the snk or in capcoms universe who can be considered a true master , even ryu himself said he isnt one(he is probaly the sickest bastard when it comes down to train) .Besides , Kims taekwondo in its majority are fancy kicks with too much swings and very few power , they arent compact at all , and like the gracie family said , fancy kicks will get you nowhere , the key for victory is the least power with the greatest results.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
As for capcom, I dunno how oro, gouki and gen do not strike you as masters.
There are masters in Capcom (and in SNK) and the following three do apply. Ryu can also be considered a master in Gouken-ryu Ansatsuken, but he is "still learning."
Oro is 140 years old and fights with one hand tied behind his back, just to make things fair in a fight. It is also rumored that he has found the way to immortality. Oro sees Ryu as a potential successor to his form of martial arts, after he has mastered his current style.
Akuma is the master of Ansatsuken at its 'purest' form, meaning that he could kill an opponent with one blow. He slain both Gotetsu and Gouken in battle, as well as countless others.
While Akuma sought to master the life-threatening Shun Goku Satsu technique, he eventually increased his strength by embracing the principle of the Dark Hadou. In embracing the Dark Hadou, Akuma lost his compassion, but increased the killing power of his techniques, new and old. This embrace caused Akuma to transcend human limits.
Contrary to popular belief, Akuma did not transform into a demon. He is just too damn strong.
Gen, despite being old as dirt and have a death wish, but he is one tough mofo. And on top of that, he is the ONLY person who survived the Raging Demon, and in order to do that, you have to clear your mind and heart of all emotions.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I meant kof, not snk. What masters exsist in kof?
My bad. There are masters, but through a cruel twist of fate, they are reduced to jobbers for Kyo or anyone else..
1. Saisyu Kusanagi
2. Leopold Goenitz
3. Tung Fu Rue
4. Takuma Sakazaki
5. Geese Howard
6. Kim Kaphwan
Those are from the top of my head.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
[B]snk used to have very skilled individuals: Geese, Tong Ru, Mr.Karate,Kim Kaphawn, etc. but, they always get side tracked and crapped on by flashy flame users who are in high school. If gouki and oro were in kof, ash would be stronger than them.
I have to agree with this statement that is what it seems KOF has been reduced to.
Consistent: ability, experience, stats, etc versus feats, the former being more important to capcom while the later to snk and thats the problem. Snk has a huge habit of ignoring a persons ability, skill, experience in favor of miricale feats.Capcom on the other hand is the opposite and if miracle feats do occur it's usually explained. here's an example: Gill was defeated by alex and sagat by dan. But, capcom has stated they forfeited due to explicit reasons. Compare that to snk, what explanation was put forth for igniz? Despite having every fighter in KOF 2001 fighitng data, the kusanagi flame (Which is one of the most powerful powers in kof), The Anti-Thesis to the kusanagi flame (Kula), 3 boss characters as body guards fighting in a damn TEAM, and the ability to steal fighting energy. He lost to 3 people, that's a mircale feat if I've ever seen one.
[quoteKim, Takuma, geese and the rest of the veteran fighters. despite having leagues of experience they get bested and surpassed by some highschool kid with flames that saves the world. If kim was a street fighter he would be around gens tier easily. like all the Master/Veteran fighters are. Bottomline masters get shitted on in kof, and I hate that.[/quote]
agreed. Saisyu, takuma practicaly don't even exist in the game.
Kim beats ken, no matter what version, Ken is a slacker. He doesn't slack like say kyo. But, he isn't what I consider a master versus kim.
I'm going to have to partially agree with you there hoshi, there are no masters in kof. Just fighters with fancy kicks, snk used to have very skilled individuals: Geese, Tong Ru, Mr.Karate,Kim Kaphawn, etc. but, they always get side tracked and crapped on by flashy flame users who are in high school. If gouki and oro were in kof, ash would be stronger than them. As for capcom, I dunno how oro, gouki and gen do not strike you as masters
ken maybe a slacker , but he trains very hard , hard enough to go foe to foe against ryu any day of the week . Is Kim capable of matching foe to foe equally against kyo kusanagi or terry bogardy?
~Sado
Ken's a bit of a slacker, but he's still pretty tough because he's a natural and he's been training pretty hard recently. If you aren't Ryu level or higher, you are simply not beating Mr.Masters. Kim is a tough mofo & I've said before how SNK mistreated him to make others look good, but he's not beating Ken.
I just think it's cool when you don't have to try as hard as others do.
damn life would be so good!😄
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
i when Ignitz was practically beaten, that the flame users charged up and leveled him down with a final fire blast....which is why they get credit for beating ignitz (SNK sucky, affinity for flame users makes them get credit for everything).
Kula is an anti-thesis in terms of having ice but she is by no means in Kyo's league. or Iori's. she's an anti-thesis in terms of flame and ice but not in terms of power.
Sado, Igniz schooled the whole cast before Iori, Kyo, and K woke up and defeated him with a plot device. He wasn't practically beaten at all. Also, kula not being comparable in power makes no sense. Snk felt they should Make K comaparable to Iori and Kyo,But not Kula?
Originally posted by Sado22
huh? isn't that any game? ryu's moves are also pretty basic and yet he's placed at a high level in the game and called true warrior.
his moves are pretty ordinary....somehow though, no matter what he does is like how a true warrior would do it. shinshoryuken are just two punches and a shoryuken but again its this "hieght of power" thing amongst the regular cast. you get my meaning? its always there in all games. in BR, Yugo's just a regualr boxer but apparently his power is so sought after its not even funny. Terry's just a brawler but again he's THE guy from KoF universe. its always there.
I don't get you their sado, There's nothing basic about ryu's moveset. Electric projectiles, uppercuts that can kill a man, etc. How is that basic? And ryu has fought over 10,000 opponents, contented with the worlds strongest fighters and Street fights every all his life he's earned that position. Note that he's not even a master nor has he bested any master class characters, compare that to kyo and iori who do none of the above and magically defeat skilled fighters.
Originally posted by Sado22
also Ken's bit is one of those things i was mentioning to Emperor above: he's a slacker but somehow, someway beat ryu in SF2, though Ryu was the one training and working hard. what the hell? its so unfair.
Ken isn't a slacker per say, he still fights in tournaments (He met sean after he won one), is the pan american champion for a third time, etc. He trains it's just that he has a family and cannot train like ryu does I.E. Traveling the world, getting into street fights, etc. He has "Master Foundation" to run. Ken is only a little worst than ryu.