Ken Masters vs Kim Kaphwan

Originally posted by Sado22

huh? isn't that any game? ryu's moves are also pretty basic and yet he's placed at a high level in the game and called true warrior. his moves are pretty ordinary....somehow though, no matter what he does is like how a true warrior would do it. shinshoryuken are just two punches and a shoryuken but again its this "hieght of power" thing amongst the regular cast. you get my meaning? its always there in all games. in BR, Yugo's just a regualr boxer but apparently his power is so sought after its not even funny. Terry's just a brawler but again he's THE guy from KoF universe. its always there.

Forget my intial response to this post, Sado. Here's what I should have said:

When I said "Just Fighters with fancy moves" I mean't the flame users. Ryu & Terry IMO are both true warriors, they both had to learn what fighting is the hard way. Ryu, spent a little over ten years training with gouken, before going into street fighting. It took him another nine years after he gave up satsu no hadou to gain that power back the right way and he's fought over 10,000 opponents to do it. That's close to 20 years of hard training and half that time was street fighting. Terry spent Ten Years training and street fighting in southtown just so he could fight geese, and I presume he still fights afterwards but, I wouldn't know since I don't follow KOF plot that much. My point is capcom acknowledges ryu's effort, but SNK puts terry and all the other guys who were named by major Snafu aside for young Nobodies with convuluted, over complicated, plots and No Fighting Spirit. Now brainchild can come in here in bring up Iori training hard, and how he tear metal with his fingers. But, I don't care, really, There is no way I'll be convinced Iori, Kyo, and any other Slacker who has no initiative trains harder or is more skilled than terry.

Like you said, Kim is damn good. He can defeat ken or at most it's a stalemate.

i agree in that point with you emperor , but i really didnt understand why the hell you said gouki would be weaker than ash if he was in snk universe, shouldnt he have the same strengh in both universes?

Originally posted by Hoshi
i agree in that point with you emperor , but i really didnt understand why the hell you said gouki would be weaker than ash if he was in snk universe, shouldnt he have the same strengh in both universes?

Ash, should never ever be the same strength as gouki. just reading that makes my eye's bleed.

EDIT: I mean't that as an example of how snk ignores stats in favor of mircale feats.

Ken, of course. If Ken ties with Terry and Terry defeated Kim that should explain it all.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
[B]Forget my intial response to this post, Sado. Here's what I should have said:

When I said "Just Fighters with fancy moves" I mean't the flame users. Ryu & Terry IMO are both true warriors, they both had to learn what fighting is the hard way. Ryu, spent a little over ten years training with gouken, before going into street fighting. It took him another nine years after he gave up satsu no hadou to gain that power back the right way and he's fought over 10,000 opponents to do it. That's close to 20 years of hard training and half that time was street fighting. Terry spent Ten Years training and street fighting in southtown just so he could fight geese, and I presume he still fights afterwards but, I wouldn't know since I don't follow KOF plot that much. My point is capcom acknowledges ryu's effort, but SNK puts terry and all the other guys who were named by major Snafu aside for young Nobodies with convuluted, over complicated, plots and No Fighting Spirit. Now brainchild can come in here in bring up Iori training hard, and how he tear metal with his fingers. But, I don't care, really, There is no way I'll be convinced Iori, Kyo, and any other Slacker who has no initiative trains harder or is more skilled than terry. [/B]

Originally posted by brainchild81
Basically you just said "I have a silly idea and even though brainchild's right all the time, my mind won't be changed" 🙂 Who said Iori was a slacker? Where did you get this from? Why the Hell would a slacker train as hard as or harder than Terry anyway? You're not making sense

No, I said snk screwed there real fighters over for posers. Iori isn't a slacker, he just doesn't deserve to be placed in the tier he is in and when has iori trained harder than terry?

Didn't say that he did. He does train hard. I'm not sure whether or not he trains as hard or harder than Terry. I'm responding to this.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
There is no way I'll be convinced Iori, Kyo, and any other Slacker who has no initiative trains harder or is more skilled than terry.

Originally posted by brainchild81
I'm responding to this. Why on earth would anybody say a slacker trains harder than Terry? That's a contradiction. & why exactly doesn't Iori deserve to be in the tier he's in?

Please stop being so pedantic, Slackers as in they are lazy, half assed fighters compared to real fighters.

And Iori doesn't deserve to be up their because his feats can be summed up as jobbing.

All of them? Nobody's ever jobbed to Terry? Please start making sense. Not being pedantic. No one here has tried to say that slackers train harder than Terry so what are you going on about? & Fu*k you for making me look up "pedantic" 😆 You're basically saying anybody who don't train like there's no tomorrow isn't a real fighter. That's silly mane. They wouldn't even sign up to fight the world's best if they weren't fighters. How much does one have to train for you to consider them a real fighter?

Originally posted by brainchild81
All of them? Nobody's ever jobbed to Terry? Please start making sense. Not being pedantic. No one here has tried to say that slackers train harder than Terry so what are you going on about?

Are you drunk mane, you consistently claim iori is stronger than terry. So, if he is (According to you), than he must be doing something that terry isn't, mane.

Originally posted by brainchild81

Fu*k you for making me look up "pedantic" 😆 You're basically saying anybody who don't train like there's no tomorrow isn't a real fighter. That's silly mane.

Originally posted by brainchild81

They wouldn't even sign up to fight the world's best if they weren't fighters.

Of course they will, because they know and their writers no they will win.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Are you drunk mane, you consistently claim iori is stronger than terry. So, if he is (According to you), than he must be doing something that terry isn't, mane.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Anything contrary is silly mane, you don't gain experience by not fighting and not training. Unless your in the kof verse that is.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Read what I said about black belts in the other thread. You think anybody who dedicates themself to basketball will just turn into Jordan? Any boxer just trains hard and he's M.Ali? Train hard @ MMA & you just become Chuck Liddell? All men are not created equal in a physical or mental sense. We're only equal in the eyes of whoever you believe in. Some people will be better than others @ things.

Not really, some people just understand things faster. but when it comes down to it, the man with more experience and knowledge of whatever craft, will beat "Talent".Why, because they will have a better feel for it due to the amount of time they sped perfecting it.

Jordan wasn't born the way he is, he said it himself. He just practised, alot. There is no such thing as natural talent in this world, you may understand something faster than others.But, that doesn't mean your born knowing how to do what your good at.

Originally posted by brainchild81

Some cats have more of "it" than others do. Not fair, but it's life. 2 people can train just as hard @ the same thing & one will still probably have a slight edge. Back when there were just cave men fighting and nobody had invented the MAs the one who was just naturally better won.
But they do fight and they do train, you alright?

you don't need martial arts to win a fight, you just have to be good at what you do, martial arts just gives you an edge. Like I said before, hardwork overcomes any natural talent.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Not really, some people just understand things faster.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
but when it comes down to it, the man with more experience and knowledge of whatever craft, will beat "Talent".Why, because they will have a better feel for it due to the amount of time they sped perfecting it.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Jordan wasn't born the way he is, he said it himself. He just practised, alot.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
you don't need martial arts to win a fight, you just have to be good at what you do, martial arts just gives you an edge. Like I said before, hardwork overcomes any natural talent.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Doesen't that mean they are better @ understanding things then?

Originally posted by brainchild81

That guy who understands things faster will reach a higher level than that other guy in less thime.

Fast development doesn't produce the best results, just quick results. The slower something develops, the more solid the results are.

Originally posted by brainchild81

So anybody who practices as much as he did will be as good as he is then?
Not all the time & you know it.

When I was in highschool there were a few talneted basketball players. I mean these guys could cross the hell out of you, but as talented as they were. They shot improperly, and didn't know jack about the basics of B-Ball. These guy's could make it to the NBA, But not knowing the basics would kill them in the long run. Jordan did B-Ball by the book, and worked really hard. Not much people do that mane, and even if there was another player as good or better than jordan. They most likely wouldn't get the recognition he deserves.

Originally posted by brainchild81

Sounds good on paper but it's just not true. Not all the time & you know it. What about the guy who trains all his life for a marathon & loses 😆

LOL, your using an example of someone losing to dismiss what I said, ok. Like I said Experience>Natural skill.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That depends, sometimes yes, sometimes no. It dpends on how much they delve into a particular field.

Fast development doesn't produce the best results, just quick results. The slower something develops, the more solid the results are.

When I was in highschool there were a few talneted basketball players. I mean these guys could cross the hell out of you, but as talented as they were. They shot improperly, and didn't know jack about the basics of B-Ball. These guy's could make it to the NBA, But not knowing the basics would kill them in the long run. Jordan did B-Ball by the book, and worked really hard. Not much people do that mane, and even if there was another player as good or better than jordan. They most likely wouldn't get the recognition he deserves.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
LOL, your using an example of someone losing to dismiss what I said, ok. Like I said Experience>Natural skill.

Originally posted by brainchild81
True but you still didn't answer. Will the guy who works just as hard get just as good?

Depends on the person, dedication. These things are not written in stone

Originally posted by brainchild81

All the time? Depends on the amount of natural skill versus the amount of exp. & it's not like these naturals have no exp @ all. Going 2 sleep now.

Originally posted by brainchild81
I hate Supes, but I'm not gonna be crazy enough to say Batman beats him h2h because Batman does Karate. Going 2 sleep now.

People people, I'm pretty sure Kyo and Iori train some times. How else would they be able to control the flame, know martial arts and defeat every KOF boss they came up against.

Originally posted by Remulous
People people, I'm pretty sure Kyo and Iori train some times. How else would they be able to control the flame, know martial arts and defeat every KOF boss they came up against.

Because of jobbing, and plot devices.

I just wanna get across that Kyo and Iori don't suck, they are very good.

Originally posted by Remulous
I just wanna get across that Kyo and Iori don't suck, they are very good.