Dude most of ken's opponents have been hardly a match. aside from Bison and Ryu, the only fights we know ken to have taken part in are against school girls (Karin and sakura), his own crappy student (sean) or getting his nuts punched by his son, mel.
Ken and Kim;s are both national champs, however Kim manages to be on of the toughest fighters in the FF, KoF tournaments without projectiles while Ken does it with projectiles, kim has 6 students (May Lee, CHoi, Chang, the chick from KOMI, and his own two sons), is a family man like ken, but isn't a slacker, is a national hero and fights daily (unlike Mr. Ken-comfort-spray-painted-on-his-ass-Masters). Kim also is a famous rival of Yamazaki, Terry, Kim Jaehoon, Hon Fu. Ken's famous rivalry is with Ryu...and then school girls.
Kim has had better challenges, trains more, is more seasoned, fights daily and is a national champ and hero, has better combination, more speed, possibly stronger kicks too.
~Sado
WTF? Ken doesn't rely on the Hadouken as much as you make him out to do. Quite in fact there isn't a single Hadouken in his special arts which focus mainly on variations of the Shoryuken and his kicks combined with the tatsumaki sempukyaku. Ken doesn't slack since SFAlpha 2. Nothing about Kim suggests he is faster, nor stronger than Ken. THe **** does it matter he is a hero? Great he beats on whorthless thugs and all of a sudden he is Ryu busting material? Sorry, but no. Also in SF3 Ken is seen taking on Urien. Urien is no pushover just so you know. You're so biased it isn't funny.
To be honest I don't see Kim standing up after receiving a Shinryuken.
Originally posted by Sado22No offense to Kim becuase I really like him, but nearly every important match that guy's been in he gets his ass whiped.
Dude most of ken's opponents have been hardly a match. aside from Bison and Ryu, the only fights we know ken to have taken part in are against school girls (Karin and sakura), his own crappy student (sean) or getting his nuts punched by his son, mel.
Ken and Kim;s are both national champs, however Kim manages to be on of the toughest fighters in the FF, KoF tournaments without projectiles while Ken does it with projectiles, kim has 6 students (May Lee, CHoi, Chang, the chick from KOMI, and his own two sons), is a family man like ken, but isn't a slacker, is a national hero and fights daily (unlike Mr. Ken-comfort-spray-painted-on-his-ass-Masters). Kim also is a famous rival of Yamazaki, Terry, Kim Jaehoon, Hon Fu. Ken's famous rivalry is with Ryu...and then school girls.
Kim has had better challenges, trains more, is more seasoned, fights daily and is a national champ and hero, has better combination, more speed, possibly stronger kicks too.~Sado
no love for kim.
kim's beaten terry once. that alone puts him in high level. he may have never won a kof tourny, but look who he usually teams up with(2 ex-convict students with no fighting pride). when has ken won a big sf tourny and beaten the likes of akuma, bison, etc.
ken is an american champion, while kim's a korean champ. doesn't make him better.
He doesnt just beat thugs, he makes them his students, against their will. which is a lot harder than what ken does with sean.
WTF? Ken doesn't rely on the Hadouken as much as you make him out to do. Quite in fact there isn't a single Hadouken in his special arts which focus mainly on variations of the Shoryuken and his kicks combined with the tatsumaki sempukyaku. Ken doesn't slack since SFAlpha 2. Nothing about Kim suggests he is faster, nor stronger than Ken. THe **** does it matter he is a hero? Great he beats on whorthless thugs and all of a sudden he is Ryu busting material? Sorry, but no. Also in SF3 Ken is seen taking on Urien. Urien is no pushover just so you know. You're so biased it isn't funny.
To be honest I don't see Kim standing up after receiving a Shinryuken.
kim's beaten terry once. that alone puts him in high level. he may have never won a kof tourny, but look who he usually teams up with(2 ex-convict students with no fighting pride). when has ken won a big sf tourny and beaten the likes of akuma, bison, etc.
Originally posted by Sado22
😆 and not to mention doing all that and then laughing at them after its all said and done.
that really DOES rock.
sigh...if only life was that simple🙁
think about it:
-imagine getting great grades without studying
-imagine getting a promotion at work without having to suck up to your boss...or suck your boss
-imagine getting a payraise for doing jackshit
-imagine pwning people at a game you never played before
-imagine getting all the chicks without having to go around chasing them
-imagine getting free porn without having to search for itdamn life would be so good!😄
~Sado
I owned people when I played F.E.A.R for the first time <____<;;;V and I used to get good grades without trying, but that was in high school. >__>;
Why did I quote this old post...well **** if I know. =D
Actually I didn't lose my cool. WTF hardly classifies as losing control. Now if I started typing in CAPS and calling you names while making fun of your mama I'd say I lost control, but that is not the case, don't you agree?
I owned people when I played F.E.A.R for the first time <____<;;;V and I used to get good grades without trying, but that was in high school. >__>;
Why did I quote this old post...well **** if I know. =D
see ya later dude.
~Sado
Originally posted by Sado22
*i hope emperor reads what you typed* 😆
anyway, its good that you're not pissed. heh, so does this mean that you agree with my post and Kim>>Ken. 😄...be damned if i knew.
well i pwned people in all the SF's i ever played. pwned people in all the KoF's i played. even pwned people in Tekken and virtua fighter. i guess i'm a natural. wanna go for a Ken vs Kim in CvsSNK2...you know you want to! 💃see ya later dude.
~Sado
Still not convinced 😄
And I would, but I don't have CvsSNK2. Unless you're talking emulators.
Originally posted by Sado22I love a good jab, but where have I ever said comics were canon info? Quote me. Getting me confused w/yourself maybe? You are the one who described events as they happened in the books w/Terry & Alba vs. Duke. If the books do turn out to be canon, then Ryo(as Mr.Karate) getting his @$$ kicked by a girl dressed like a kitty cat will be canon. 😆 Here’s to hoping you were right Sado. Even if you’re wrong it was still awesome for a newbie to bi*chslap his punk @ss like that. I think the comics are cool & when they get brought up I will talk about them if I feel like it. I don’t recall ever using them as canon though. Quote me if I did. Try not to put words in my mouth dude. Not cool
dude iori beats EVERYONE in that thing. but you know whats actually worse than all that:
some people *cough* brain *cough* actually use that as canon facts to prove a point.
*jabs a brain*😆
Originally posted by Sado22I really think Ken would beat Terry’s @ss. Terry ain’t as good as or better than Ryu IMO, so I just don’t see him doing anything against Ken other than getting wailed on. Maybe it’s just me, but w/all due respect to you, I think you just like Terry so much that you just have him kicking @sses of people he would likely lose to and some who’d outright murder him. You have him beating Ryu(who although you list him as one of your lower faves, you also have him getting beat up by pretty much everybody he fights on your site. Terry, Iori, Kyo, K’, Geese, Kazuya, Jin, Heihachi, Yugo, Alba & even punk @SS Ryo(here) if I remember right. Not pretty much everybody. Everybody) & Ken who’d beat him and Bison who’d murder the living s**t out of him regardless of how much heart he has. It seems like you even boosted Grant to around Akuma’s level to make Terry look tougher.
exactly. with all due respect to ken, but he isn't in terry's league whatsoever. good fight yes. but he aint winning it. not now. not ever.
Originally posted by Sado22🙂 He’s a cool character and I gravitate more towards characters w/flawed personalities. I’ve never been that big a fan of goody 2 shoes heroes
that is true. he's a lazy bum whose arrogant as hell and keeps on failing high school till the point that now at 27 (technically speaking) he still hasn't passed high school. dumbass. he does treat people like shit as well but that is cuz he's an arrogant prick. nonetheless, and don't ask me why, but Kyo is still one of my fav KoF guys.
Originally posted by Sado22I honestly think it would’ve been cooler for Ken to take on Iori. I think Terry beats Guile but I don’t think he’d dominate him. Happy new year guys. & stop using “mane” people. That’s only for me 🙂
heh that's true. in fact for the promo video and poster of the first CvsSNK they had Kyo/Ryu, Iori/Ken and Terry/Guile.
but mane, i think terry will turn guile upside down and clean his apartment with his head when its all said and done. Guile doesn't stand a chance. now Vandame versus Terry i really WOULD like to see😆
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeDitto. All this "he's got heart" & "he's a hero" foolishness make me laugh😆
WTF? Ken doesn't rely on the Hadouken as much as you make him out to do. Quite in fact there isn't a single Hadouken in his special arts which focus mainly on variations of the Shoryuken and his kicks combined with the tatsumaki sempukyaku. Ken doesn't slack since SFAlpha 2. Nothing about Kim suggests he is faster, nor stronger than Ken. THe **** does it matter he is a hero? Great he beats on whorthless thugs and all of a sudden he is Ryu busting material? Sorry, but no. Also in SF3 Ken is seen taking on Urien. Urien is no pushover just so you know. You're so biased it isn't funny.To be honest I don't see Kim standing up after receiving a Shinryuken.
Yo brainy!
nice to see. hopefully christmas went good for ya.
i was actually going to PM you since i haven't seen you here for a while (see this is how much Terry fans care for people) 🙂
I love a good jab, but where have I ever said comics were canon info? Quote me. Getting me confused w/yourself maybe? You are the one who described events as they happened in the books w/Terry & Alba vs. Duke. If the books do turn out to be canon, then Ryo(as Mr.Karate) getting his @$$ kicked by a girl dressed like a kitty cat will be canon. Here’s to hoping you were right Sado. Even if you’re wrong it was still awesome for a newbie to bi*chslap his punk @ss like that. I think the comics are cool & when they get brought up I will talk about them if I feel like it. I don’t recall ever using them as canon though. Quote me if I did. Try not to put words in my mouth dude. Not cool
I really think Ken would beat Terry’s @ss. Terry ain’t as good as or better than Ryu IMO, so I just don’t see him doing anything against Ken other than getting wailed on. Maybe it’s just me, but w/all due respect to you, I think you just like Terry so much that you just have him kicking @sses of people he would likely lose to and some who’d outright murder him. You have him beating Ryu(who although you list him as one of your lower faves, you also have him getting beat up by pretty much everybody he fights on your site. Terry, Iori, Kyo, K’, Geese, Kazuya, Jin, Heihachi, Yugo, Alba & even punk @SS Ryo(here) if I remember right. Not pretty much everybody. Everybody) & Ken who’d beat him and Bison who’d murder the living s**t out of him regardless of how much heart he has. It seems like you even boosted Grant to around Akuma’s level to make Terry look tougher.
see, brainy, like him or hate him, terry's got a better "fighting portfolio" than Ryu. plus aside from Bison, Oro and Akuma (who wasn't even fighting as shin akuma) Ryu hasn't faced that hightier characters. Hugo was midtier. Ken is below Ryu. Sagat is probably more even (and he was even defeated as Psycho Ryu). yet he was defeated by them all.
Kyo, Iori, Ryo etc are all at the same tier as Terry yet none eveer beat him. the fact that he was "saved by the bell" can even be used agaisnt Kyo and the others too. you get my meaning? aside from taht Terry's fought KRauser (godtier in FF timeline), Yamazaki (godtier in FF timeline), Geese, Nightmare Geese (another godtier), Jin twins, Grant and he defeated them all ONE ON ONE (and one on TWO in jins' case). Yes, Geese helped him sort of by weakening the Jin's but they were still pounding terry for the bulk of the fight and he had already come after getting his ass kicked by Yamazaki.
compare that to Ken whose only notable fights were with Ryu, Bison (with sakura helping him), Karin, Sakura and Sean. the guy practically has comfort spray painted on his ass, and his only notable fights are with school girls and rookies. yes he's fought in the martial arts tourny of US, but then if you claim terry's level of competition in a city full of fighters (southown) was too lame, i can very well tell you that for all we know ken's been fighting school girls even in the US martial arts tourny🙂
for further analysis:
-experience: ken's not even a street fighter. so forget about this one.
-speed: terry again. NOT ONE move or special of Ken is as fast as burn knuckle or as fast as busterwolf and shining knuckle. tell me is it? shippujinrei isn't, shoryureppa isn't, nor is shinryuken. tatsumaki senpukykau is ken's fastest move yet its no where near terry's burn knuckle. also the Sean-rip-off move ken does in CvsSNK2 is similar to terry's crackshot yet if you compare the speed again, terry's is a lot faster.
-power: ken's weaker than ryu (canonwise). and IMO in ryu and terry's comparison i sort of showed that atleast as far as games are concerned, terry pwns ryu even in speed.
-career: nothing to say here.
Terry totally OUTCLASSES ken.
to be contd>>
You have him beating Ryu(who although you list him as one of your lower faves, you also have him getting beat up by pretty much everybody he fights on your site. Terry, Iori, Kyo, K’, Geese, Kazuya, Jin, Heihachi, Yugo, Alba & even punk @SS Ryo(here) if I remember right. Not pretty much everybody. Everybody) & Ken who’d beat him and Bison who’d murder the living s**t out of him regardless of how much heart he has. It seems like you even boosted Grant to around Akuma’s level to make Terry look tougher.
He’s a cool character and I gravitate more towards characters w/flawed personalities. I’ve never been that big a fan of goody 2 shoes heroes
Happy new year guys. & stop using “mane” people. That’s only for me
~The Invincible Sado-sama
Originally posted by Sado22Geese = jobbed & I heard Terry had Andy's help. Krauser = Not sure on that one but I've never thought too much of Krauser so I'll give Terry that one. Jin Twins = Terry had help from Geese & if they were GodTier as you claim they still should have crushed him early on. Kyo = He should've beat Terry but that would go against SNK's apparent rule about Terry. Terry still couldn't beat him despite all that good stuff he does that you guys love so much. Still not as good as Ryu who Ken has actually defeated & considering how Ken always trains less that speaks to his natural talent for fighting. Ryu > Kyo. Iori = He really should have Koed Terry and probably did beat him & his help if what you say about Iori reaching the finals by himself is true. Iori not kicking Terry's ass IS Iori jobbing. Iori vs. Ken would be so damn cool. K' = I like K', but I think Ken'd school him. Ryu>K'. I'd really like to hear definite canon stuff about Ash vs Terry. I hate Ash, but he seems to be pretty tough. Not sure if he could beat Ken though and I've heard nothing of Terry beating him. Ryo & Andy'd get curbstomped by Ken any day of the week. I still like Andy, but he's another guy who looks weaksause so Terry can shine. 'Zaki = Terry had help and still didn't beat him from what I've heard. "zaki should have laid him the f**k out like he did everyone else but Terry's always gotta look good O.Iori = 😆 Why would you even post that one? Terry had big time help. Terry vs O.Iori = Dead @ss Terry & you know it. F**k heart! Iori'd rip that sh*t right out of Terry's chest🙂 Same w/Orochi & Igniz. Let Terry or lame-o fight them w/out the help of Iori or Kyo and see what happens. His heart will not save him. Basically Terry's jobbed alot of people & had a lot of help. Ken doesn't seem to rely on either of those. TERRY FANS CALM DOWN!🙂
terry's fought Geese, Krauser, Jin twins, Kyo, Iori, K', Ash, Ryo, Andy, Yamazaki, O.Iori, Orochi team, Orochi, Ignitz. ALL of these people will SCHOOL Ken anyday in the week and NONE of these ever beat Terry. bad competition...you said it🙄
Originally posted by Sado22Entirely. Some just have more of it than others.
i guess you're right here, somewhat.
Originally posted by Sado22Sean & Alex are noobish compared to Ryu & Ken. Sean and been w/Ken that long yet. Rock's a natural(it's in his blood mane) AND he's been training w/Terry since he was a lil' brat eating chilidogs. I'm waiting for the next game to come out to see if Terry robbed Rock or not. If Terry didn't lose, Rock was robbed. I'm beyond tired of this stalemate s**t mane!!!!! Kim was bi*ched along w/the rest against 'Zaki. Ryo doing well in an intro is a step up for him🙂. Bet he still lost the fight though. If you are not Iori or Kyo SNK will always have Terry whoop on you it seems. Kim & Andy deserve better. 'Specially Kim. FF cast - Zaki = talented people jobbed to the point of obscurity so Terry ALWAYS looks Superior
and yet he isn't the star of KoF series.
also the FF cast aren't all weak as you say they are. in fact in the opening of FFRBS, Terry is getting hsi ass smacked around through walls by Krauser. Yamazaki was schooling Terry as well in FF3, till honfu jumped in and told terry to go after the jins. Jins were schooling him too. Kim gave terry a good fight in FF2. Ryo was schooling him the opening of MI2. compare that to how:
-Ryu goes and defeats the new SF champ (alex) PERFECT.
-Ken schools Sean in the qaulifying roundsto me that is robbing the new generation. Terry didn't rob Rock in FFMOTW now did he? now whose trying to make who look too damn good. get real.
Originally posted by Sado22Can somebody point to me using them beating Orochi as evidence against Terry? I've said before, focus on thier normal fights, not silly SNK boss battles. I don't care about SNK boss battles since they almost always involve big time jobbing or PDs.
he does. but you aren't seeing the guy's point. terry didn't beat geese cuz it was crap like destiny or "special ki". terry's moves weren't designed to take on geese's. kyo and iori's flames were destined to defeat Orochi and were the perfect weapon agasint it. kyo and iori beat Orochi cuz it was their destiny. that's bull and you know it.
Originally posted by Sado22What part of what I said was wrong? Maybe you misread me. Read it again please. Read what I was responding too also.
ahem....no, brain, you're wrong. the flames are "sacred" cuz they are designed against Orochi. that is why though terry and the others were there with Kyo and Iori, they weren't able to seal Orochi.
Iori flames= freeze Orochi power (8 cups of wine)
Kyo flames= defeat it (orochinagi)
yatta = seals it away (whatever the **** she does)
still need a dictionary? 😄
LAter brain.
~Sado
P.S. you love terry bogard. you know it. don't deny it. I'm sure iori will understand[/B][/QUOTE]I've got nothing against him. Just think he gets ways more credit than he deserves just because he trains hard, eats his vitamins & says his prayers. More heart(not really proven since we've never seen any of these guys give up but I have no problem w/it) doesn't = victory. That "he's got heart stuff is generally used for the guy who took a beating. "Good guy wins" syndrome around here man. And Rocky B. was an enjoyable film. They repped the city well.
EA: This training regimen thing is getting stale fast. The passing out thing seems pretty major to me but it's all a matter of opinion. You say you're sure Ryu Terry & other's have done that, but you are not. They really don't seem to go that deep into anybody's regimen. I honestly don't care how man sit ups these guys do. Kyo's a combination of training & natural talent that Terry just can't beat & the same goes for Iori. Terry's not gonna a beat these guys even if he's a good role model🙂 In short Kyo & Iori do train and have exp so your "just guys w/flame statement is 100% bull 🙂 Happy new year folks.
Originally posted by Sado22It's cool, but you still have it wrong. I couldn't have said "Iori pwns terry all the time in teh comics". I've never seen Iori vs Terry in any books. PG was the one talking about those books explain how overrated Iori is in the books. I wish I could see some of the stuff he's talked about. I'd probably enjoy them 'cause I like sseing fights whether they are canon or not. I've said before that they aren't canon, but I still discuss them 'cause I like them and they get brought up. I've not been posting because I had my laptop over a friend's house so they could download heroes episodes for me. Show's not as bad as I thought it was. Going to sleep. Have a good one. Will respond to the rest later.
Yo brainy!
nice to see. hopefully christmas went good for ya.
i was actually going to PM you since i haven't seen you here for a while (see this is how much Terry fans care for people) 🙂my apologies if you are offended but i was under that impression since you were mentioning that Iori pwns terry all the time in teh comics, despite me telling you countless times that comics aren't canon. then you also mentioned Geese pwning terry in the snkvsCacpcom comics. that is why i felt that you think that comics are canon (and i HAVE told you countless times that comics/anime aint canon). nonetheless sorry briany.