Ken Masters vs Kim Kaphwan

But you do agree that they don't suck?

Originally posted by Remulous
But you do agree that they don't suck?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Ken's a bit of a slacker, but he's still pretty tough because he's a natural and he's been training pretty hard recently. If you aren't Ryu level or higher, you are simply not beating Mr.Masters. Kim is a tough mofo & I've said before how SNK mistreated him to make others look good, but he's not beating Ken.

Exactly my point. I did not mean to hurt SNK lovers feelings when I said Ken outclassed Kim, but given Ken's track record against Ryu I consider him out of Kim's league, but certainly not by leaps and bounds.

When I said "Just Fighters with fancy moves" I mean't the flame users. Ryu & Terry IMO are both true warriors, they both had to learn what fighting is the hard way. Ryu, spent a little over ten years training with gouken, before going into street fighting. It took him another nine years after he gave up satsu no hadou to gain that power back the right way and he's fought over 10,000 opponents to do it. That's close to 20 years of hard training and half that time was street fighting. Terry spent Ten Years training and street fighting in southtown just so he could fight geese, and I presume he still fights afterwards but, I wouldn't know since I don't follow KOF plot that much.

My point is capcom acknowledges ryu's effort, but SNK puts terry and all the other guys who were named by major Snafu aside for young Nobodies with convuluted, over complicated, plots and No Fighting Spirit. Now brainchild can come in here in bring up Iori training hard, and how he tear metal with his fingers. But, I don't care, really, There is no way I'll be convinced Iori, Kyo, and any other Slacker who has no initiative trains harder or is more skilled than terry.

BTW would you agree with me that it was almost disrespectful of SNK to parr Kyo and not Terry against Ryu. i think these two live similar lives and follow the same path though their methods may differ. Heck even Terry does hard labor to stay in shape! after all this they put Ken and him....with no disrespect intended, but i think Ken is by no means in Terry's league. it would have been a classic to see Terry and Ryu agaisnt each other.

Like you said, Kim is damn good. He can defeat ken or at most it's a stalemate.

Later emperor.
~Sado
P.S. do you know where superboy or whoever gets the info that Terry and Ken tied? i never read such a thing. in fact i read somewhere that Terry beat Ken but it was on a Ken fansite so i don't know if its canon. Terry and Ken do know each other by the way, you know that?

Originally posted by Sado22
i see your point, emp. oh and a little correction:
Ryu was 23 during SF1 right? if alpha2 took place 1 year after SF1 and Alpha3 took place 1 year after alpha2 and if Ryu is 25 in SFa3 then he'd be 23 in SF1. till SF1 Ryu didn't actually go out and fight people....given to assume since "stupidcom" haven't actually spoken of any of his fights during the time prior to SF1. so his fights in SF1 were his first ones. so basically Ryu has been fighting for 10 years now. I mean street fighting and not dojo sparring. you get my meaning. its only been 10 years for ryu as a FIGHTER.

I know he wasn't Street Fighting prior to SF1, I said he trained in goukens dojo for ten years, and then started Street Fighting in Alpha 3.

Originally posted by Sado22

Terry was on the streets of South town since he and Andy were toddlers. around the age 5 or 6 they were adopted by Jeff. till the age of 10 they lived together. and then Jeff was murdered. from 10 all the way till MOTW he's been on the streets and has been fighting all sorts of warriors. In MOTW he's 35. so that is TWENTY FIVE years of street fighting....almost 30 if you count his years before living with Jeff. That is 30 years of street fighting and 4 years of sparring and picking up on the little of "Jeff bogard brawling" that he could learn. if you ask me, terry has more experience as on FIGHTING then Ryu does. all this info is canon facts too.

Hold on sado, first of all ryu's Street Fighting is pretty muched accounted for. He's fought over 10,000 opponents , he may not have been street fighting as long as terry I know that. but, in order to have more experince the number of fighters has to be accounted for as well.

Originally posted by Sado22

if you look at their ages canonicaly, Ryu is 8 years Terry's senior (1964 and 1972 i think for Terry). that makes it 18 years of fighting on the streets for Ryu but still a whopping 30 years for Terry. so whether or not you agree that Terry>Ryu or Terry at least=Ryu you or anyone here cannot ignore how Terry is more seasoned than Ryu.

What about the number of opponents sado, and you can't say terry is more seasoned simply because he's been Street Fighting longer.Terry is a "Street Brawler", so street fighting is what he does best. But, ryu has fought over 10'000 opponenets that can't be ignored. If Street Fighting was theonlything that mattered then Ryu would be stronger than gouki.

Originally posted by Sado22

that is true. Kyo hates effort. wtf? what kind of hero is that? However, i think you're being a little unfair to Iori. Iori has always been known to train very hard. in fact he trained to the point of unconsciousness during the Orochi saga just to get his hands on Kyo. SNK seem to give credit here by making Iori seem stronger than Kyo on more than one occassion......so i do't know whats their problem with the likes of Terry, Ryo etc. i know you don't like Ryo, but Ryo too is a hardworker. give him at least that much🙁

C'mon, is that really a big feat? Training to the point of losing consciousness, I mean I've done that for peet sake. I'm sure Ryu, Terry, and many other fighters have done that. And as for Ryo, man, the only time I give him props is when he's Mr.Karate and that's only because I use takuma.

Originally posted by Sado22

Terry doesn't TRAIN as Ryu does. he just goes and picks fights or because of his legend, people go around picking fights with him. his is more "practical" training and i think its more effective, especially on the streets of SouthTown where all sorts of warriors go around. NOt to mention how Terry travells the world too and even there he goes around fighting all sorts of opponents.

Ryu does the samething, and does strict training regiments. I don't see how that's a big deal, there both famous in there respective universes so, they are about the same. Though I think Terry might be a little more seasoned. Ryu's up there nonetheless.

Originally posted by Sado22

to wrap it up, Iori does train hard and deserves credit. Ryo too. kyo is a gifted and overrated idiot. K' is overrated too.

Originally posted by Sado22

BTW would you agree with me that it was almost disrespectful of SNK to parr Kyo and not Terry against Ryu. i think these two live similar lives and follow the same path though their methods may differ. Heck even Terry does hard labor to stay in shape! after all this they put Ken and him....with no disrespect intended, but i think Ken is by no means in Terry's league. it would have been a classic to see Terry and Ryu agaisnt each other.

I agree'd with everyhting in that post, read what I said in the terry vs ken thread. People claimed ken could beat terry, I was like WTF? Ken would give terry a good fight, But c'mon.

Originally posted by Sado22

Later emperor.
~Sado
P.S. do you know where superboy or whoever gets the info that Terry and Ken tied? i never read such a thing. in fact i read somewhere that Terry beat Ken but it was on a Ken fansite so i don't know if its canon. Terry and Ken do know each other by the way, you know that?

Originally posted by Sado22
if you look at their ages canonicaly, Ryu is 8 years Terry's senior (1964 and 1972 i think for Terry

A little correction there Sado. The Great Terry Bogard was born on March 15, 1973 😄

Originally posted by Sado22
that is true. Kyo hates effort. wtf? what kind of hero is that?

I have never thought of Kyo as a good fighting hero...I'm sorry. I admit he does train a little, but I recall hearing alot from his profile he is quite arrogent plus he treats someone that looks up to him like crap(Shingo)

Originally posted by Sado22
Terry doesn't TRAIN as Ryu does. he just goes and picks fights or because of his legend, people go around picking fights with him. his is more "practical" training and i think its more effective, especially on the streets of SouthTown where all sorts of warriors go around. NOt to mention how Terry travells the world too and even there he goes around fighting all sorts of opponents.

Yep. Also I might add that Terry lives for the fight. It is not about "winning" but enjoying the fight itself whoever Terry is going up against. If the oppenent should happen to be stronger, it's both a test and thrill for Terry.

Originally posted by Sado22
to wrap it up, Iori does train hard and deserves credit. Ryo too. kyo is a gifted and overrated idiot. K' is overrated too.

I will admit Iori does train and yes Ryo does deserve credit, because he trains his ass off as well. I agree Kyo is overrated, but I don't see that the case with K'.

Originally posted by Sado22
BTW would you agree with me that it was almost disrespectful of SNK to parr Kyo and not Terry against Ryu. i think these two live similar lives and follow the same path though their methods may differ. Heck even Terry does hard labor to stay in shape! after all this they put Ken and him....with no disrespect intended, but i think Ken is by no means in Terry's league. it would have been a classic to see Terry and Ryu agaisnt each other.

I couldn't agree more with this whole statement. Everytime I see Ryu facing off against Kyo be it poster or the intro to the game, it makes me sick to my f**king stomach. Kyo would be a perfect theif, because he steals everything. As I said time and time again the only reason Kyo got to rival The Great Ryu, is due to the fact that KOF is SNKP's biggest cash cow(with the help of FF and AOF) and he just happened to be the main character of that game.

You know even though Terry seemed like Ken's rival, I got the queezy feeling that Iori has taken that spot. Even though Terry is rivaled to Ken, I get this feeling he is in a sense more rivaled to Guile. I think this crap is because Ryu is Ken's rival and Kyo is Iori's rival. You understand what I am getting at.

[i]Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
All the flame users are overrated, have your read those HK comics where Iori beats terry all the time?

I agree with Kyo and Iori, but not K. At least with K' in the HK comics, he struggles against Terry and Ryo and he does not tool and breeze past teams like Kusanagi and Yagami. Iori once tooled the entire Fatal Fury Team and that was after Tooling the entire Korean Team 😮
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😆 That's how he rolls. I gotta see some of these HK comics. Geese is getting the respect he deserves in the SVC books. He whooped on Terry & a few others @ the same time. Before the fight Terry said "I'm glad I get to kill you again Geese". Geese says, "The godess of luck doesn't smile on the same man twice Terry". He later tells Kyo that he's not MUCH better than Terry. With all this heart Terry has, why didn't he just beat O.Iori's ass by himself? Heart overcomes anything right?

Ken fights a much higher level of competion than Terry does. The south town fighters he beats on aren't good enough to be in the games & FF cast was there to make Terry look good. Terry's a damn good role model but that simply won't mean s*it in a fight.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That depends, sometimes yes, sometimes no. It dpends on how much they delve into a particular field.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Depends on the person, dedication. These things are not written in stone

Originally posted by brainchild81

Ken fights a much higher level of competion than Terry does. The south town fighters he beats on aren't good enough to be in the games & FF cast was there to make Terry look good.

And the fighters from the us martials tournament are supposed to any better?

Please stop the terry hate brainchild, do you honestly believe fighting in a sanctioned tournament makes more seasoned then fighting in the streets where there are no rules whatsoever.

Originally posted by brainchild81

Nah. If 2 people are learning the same stuff and 1 understands it faster, he's better at understanding.

No, it doesn't, it just means he learns faster.

Originally posted by brainchild81
That's what I've been saying from the get go. But you still seem to think more training & exp = victory all the time. The dedication is the same in the example I gave. It does depend on the person because some people just have more capacity for certain stuff. Not fair, but neither is life.

I never said that, infact I even told you the human element plays a role in whatever field your in. Some people learn faster than other but that doesn't mean they have better understanding of said subject. On the contrary it just means they have a quicker understanding. And, when has Iori or Kto's "Natural Talent" ever played a role in their fights? Most of their victories are flame related.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
And the fighters from the us martials tournament are supposed to any better?

Please stop the terry hate brainchild, do you honestly believe fighting in a sanctioned tournament makes more seasoned then fighting in the streets where there are no rules whatsoever.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, it doesn't, it just means he learns faster.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I never said that, infact I even told you the human element plays a role in whatever field your in. Some people learn faster than other but that doesn't mean they have better understanding of said subject. On the contrary it just means they have a quicker understanding. And, when has Iori or Kto's [B]"Natural Talent" ever played a role in their fights? Most of their victories are flame related. [/B]

Originally posted by brainchild81
Was talking about fighting Ryu. That's better than fighting guys who are just around to make you look good(entire FF cast

Originally posted by brainchild81

Then if they both train for the same time who's going to be better?🙂

Depends on the person attitude, and how he applies what he learns and how far he's willing to go.This is the second time I'm answering this, btw.

Originally posted by brainchild81

Against bosses. Terry never uses his chi in his fights? Double standards run rampant here.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Fatal Fury Fighters have the capability to kick some ass, it's just that they aren't written properly.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Depends on the person attitude, and how he applies what he learns and how far he's willing to go.This is the second time I'm answering this, btw.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Is terry's ki a plot device like the flames?

Originally posted by brainchild81
Bingo. Bad writing didn't start w/Kyo.

Originally posted by brainchild81

You're dancing around it. Are you saying everybody has the same potential?

This ain't dragonballZ brainchild, people aren't born with knowledge of things they do not know. Again, it depends on the human element, which cannot be measured because you can't duplicate actions to the tee. this isn't some cartoon, even if two people followed the same training regiment for everday for ten years. There would still be changes that would effect the result. It could be one extra push up, waking up 1 second earlier, taking longer breaks,etc.At first these changes may be insignificant,but with time they will effect the result.

Originally posted by brainchild81

The flames are only a pd when they fight Orochi. The flames affect everybody else the same way, hurting none more than they would another. Their chi is manifested in flames.

So, your denying the flames are a plot device despite being called sacred and being sought after by nest and ash?

Wow, the fanboysim is so clear.

I'd like to comment that Ryu lives to fight as well. He no longer cares about winning or losing; his way past those newbie days when he overcame the Satsui No hadou.

I know he wasn't Street Fighting prior to SF1, I said he trained in goukens dojo for ten years, and then started Street Fighting in Alpha 3.

Hold on sado, first of all ryu's Street Fighting is pretty muched accounted for. He's fought over 10,000 opponents , he may not have been street fighting as long as terry I know that. but, in order to have more experince the number of fighters has to be accounted for as well.

What about the number of opponents sado, and you can't say terry is more seasoned simply because he's been Street Fighting longer.Terry is a "Street Brawler", so street fighting is what he does best. But, ryu has fought over 10'000 opponenets that can't be ignored. If Street Fighting was theonlything that mattered then Ryu would be stronger than gouki.

C'mon, is that really a big feat? Training to the point of losing consciousness, I mean I've done that for peet sake. I'm sure Ryu, Terry, and many other fighters have done that. And as for Ryo, man, the only time I give him props is when he's Mr.Karate and that's only because I use takuma.

All the flame users are overrated, have your read those HK comics where Iori beats terry all the time?

I agree'd with everyhting in that post, read what I said in the terry vs ken thread. People claimed ken could beat terry, I was like WTF? Ken would give terry a good fight, But c'mon.

I agree with Kyo and Iori, but not K. At least with K' in the HK comics, he struggles against Terry and Ryo and he does not tool and breeze past teams like Kusanagi and Yagami. Iori once tooled the entire Fatal Fury Team and that was after Tooling the entire Korean Team

P-Geyser, K' is overrated in the sense that for a 17 year old he's on parr with people like Terry, Ryo etc even though he has had no training whatsoever. that's overrated. at least Rock had training from Terry. the only thing going for K' is that he has Kyo's flames.....and probably that explains the overratedness.

A little correction there Sado. The Great Terry Bogard was born on March 15, 1973

I have never thought of Kyo as a good fighting hero...I'm sorry. I admit he does train a little, but I recall hearing alot from his profile he is quite arrogent plus he treats someone that looks up to him like crap(Shingo)

I couldn't agree more with this whole statement. Everytime I see Ryu facing off against Kyo be it poster or the intro to the game, it makes me sick to my f**king stomach. Kyo would be a perfect theif, because he steals everything. As I said time and time again the only reason Kyo got to rival The Great Ryu, is due to the fact that KOF is SNKP's biggest cash cow(with the help of FF and AOF) and he just happened to be the main character of that game.

You know even though Terry seemed like Ken's rival, I got the queezy feeling that Iori has taken that spot. Even though Terry is rivaled to Ken, I get this feeling he is in a sense more rivaled to Guile. I think this crap is because Ryu is Ken's rival and Kyo is Iori's rival. You understand what I am getting at.

See ya later guys!
~Sado

and now for you "curly"

That's how he rolls. I gotta see some of these HK comics. Geese is getting the respect he deserves in the SVC books. He whooped on Terry & a few others @ the same time. Before the fight Terry said "I'm glad I get to kill you again Geese". Geese says, "The godess of luck doesn't smile on the same man twice Terry". He later tells Kyo that he's not MUCH better than Terry. With all this heart Terry has, why didn't he just beat O.Iori's ass by himself? Heart overcomes anything right?

Ken fights a much higher level of competion than Terry does. The south town fighters he beats on aren't good enough to be in the games & FF cast was there to make Terry look good. Terry's a damn good role model but that simply won't mean s*it in a fight.

aside from that he's fought in the US martial arts tournament. for all we know he's fighting school girls there too 😆
bottom line, ken faces even worse level of competition than how you CLAIM Terry to.
terry's fought Geese, Krauser, Jin twins, Kyo, Iori, K', Ash, Ryo, Andy, Yamazaki, O.Iori, Orochi team, Orochi, Ignitz. ALL of these people will SCHOOL Ken anyday in the week and NONE of these ever beat Terry. bad competition...you said it🙄

Nah. If 2 people are learning the same stuff and 1 understands it faster, he's better at understanding.

That's what I've been saying from the get go. But you still seem to think more training & exp = victory all the time. The dedication is the same in the example I gave. It does depend on the person because some people just have more capacity for certain stuff. Not fair, but neither is life.

Was talking about fighting Ryu. That's better than fighting guys who are just around to make you look good(entire FF cast)

to me that is robbing the new generation. Terry didn't rob Rock in FFMOTW now did he? now whose trying to make who look too damn good. get real.

Against bosses. Terry never uses his chi in his fights? Double standards run rampant here.

The flames are only a pd when they fight Orochi. The flames affect everybody else the same way, hurting none more than they would another. Their chi is manifested in flames.

LAter brain.
~Sado
P.S. you love terry bogard. you know it. don't deny it. I'm sure iori will understand 🤣

[i]Originally posted by Sado22
dude don't get me started! that was the lameass KoF96 comics. for those of you who don't know:
-iori takes on EVERYONE.
-iori wins
-iori then takes on remaing Kim's team, fatal fury team, and pwns them. Iori breaks Terry's arm with an oniyaki.....and we'd see Terry do a triple geyser like 10 minutes later 🙄
-iori then takes on "Tekken" team. no kdding. tekken team which has "Dark" (a total and shameful ripoff of Jin. even has the same threads), Tina (an bad anna ripoff with the same dress only green) and some other jackass who was EXACTLY a ripoff of King.
-Iori kills Dark
-Iori fights Geonitz (gonuts...ahahah) and loses like ****ing FINALLY BIDGE!

Yep. That is way worse than how Terry was potrayed in the animes fighting, or no fighting a god. In the FF2 anime, Terry did not breeze past Kim or Andy, Geese, Krauser. Imagine if that was Iori(shudders) he would tool everybody with an entire finger 😮

[i]Originally posted by Sado22
P-Geyser, K' is overrated in the sense that for a 17 year old he's on parr with people like Terry, Ryo etc even though he has had no training whatsoever. that's overrated. at least Rock had training from Terry. the only thing going for K' is that he has Kyo's flames.....and probably that explains the overratedness.

I see what your getting at and great point. I was merely pointing out that he does not go around pulling the insane B.S. that Kyo and Iori seem to pull.

[i]Originally posted by Sado22
thanx dude. and now you know why sucked at history!🙁

😂 No problem dude...always willing to help a Terry fan out.

[i]Originally posted by Sado22
that is true. he's a lazy bum whose arrogant as hell and keeps on failing high school till the point that now at 27 (technically speaking) he still hasn't passed high school. dumbass. he does treat people like shit as well but that is cuz he's an arrogant prick. nonetheless, and don't ask me why, but Kyo is still one of my fav KoF guys.

Yeah that one is beyond me. As I said Kyo in the actual fighting game is okay, it's just his character and how he got were he is that urks me.

[i]Originally posted by Sado22
ditto. makes me sick to the gut. also i get pissed off with the fact that they didn't have alex there! bastards! first they make him win the tournament cuz Gill lets him and then he goes on to lose perfect to Ryu. cap-dumbass-com 😠

hehehe...understandable. The way in KOF MI 1&2, Mary,King, should have been in there instead of Athena and Mai. As well in Chaos, how the hell are you not going to have Haohmaru but Earthquake and Genjuro and Shiki. SNKP is on some serious stuff.

[i]Originally posted by Sado22
heh that's true. in fact for the promo video and poster of the first CvsSNK they had Kyo/Ryu, Iori/Ken and Terry/Guile.
but mane, i think terry will turn guile upside down and clean his apartment with his head when its all said and done. Guile doesn't stand a chance. now Vandame versus Terry i really WOULD like to see😆

Yep due to Kyo and Iori's overrated and neverending rivalry. As I said those two can be professional mastertheifs. I agee with Terry vs Guile...not to take anything away from Guile cause I actually like him.

Originally posted by Sado22

yeah i get your point, but if in 10 years Ryu faced 10,000 opponents, for all we know, terry's faced 100,000! the thing is SNK never gave a proper figure of how many fighters terry has faced. however in 25 years living in a town full of fighter, travelling the world and taking part in the annual KoF tournament probably means that he has AT LEAST fought as many opponents as Ryu.

Originally posted by Sado22

also Terry fought PEOPLE DAILY in the 10 years he was training to face Geese. if you ask me thats more than 10000 already. the point i'm trying to make is that in 25 years spent of his life fighting in a town full of fighter and taking part in tournaments and fighting around the world would most definitely mean that Terry has fought more opponents.

But, like I said before that's speculation, you can't draw a conclusion from pure speculation.

But, I get your point terry spent ten years longer than ryu Street Fighting.

Originally posted by Sado22

also Terry has taken part in more tournaments than ryu. Ryu, the only ones we know of, are SF1, SF2 and SF3 (and there is some other one that you were talking about which i don't know of). Terry's fought in, KoF1, KoF2, KoF MI, KoF MI2, Kof 94-XI, RB, and possibly RB2 (if its canon). that's a hellova lot more than Ryu too.

MI is a seperate timeline, and as for KOF you know that it's timeline makes no sense. My point is ryu's record is clear, over 10'000 opponents and still going. Terry's is ambiogous, and kof isn't helping.
But, I get your point, realistically terry should have fought more since ryu was a "Dojo Dork" for about half his life versus terry who was a brawler. Still, I have to note, ryu trains really hard, he lifted a boulder for hours. And, he might train with oro, who has a training regiment which know one has survived yet.

Originally posted by Sado22

you a martial artist? which ones do you practise in?
Mr.Karate is badass, dude. you cannot not like him.

I did some shotokan for about half a year, quit and did some self taught things likeand boxed a little along with lifting weights.
Mr.Karate is the man.

Originally posted by Sado22

dude iori beats EVERYONE in that thing. but you know whats actually worse than all that:
some people *cough* brain *cough* actually use that as canon facts to prove a point.
*jabs a brain*😆

Originally posted by Sado22

ditto. makes me sick to the gut. also i get pissed off with the fact that they didn't have alex there! bastards! first they make him win the tournament cuz Gill lets him and then he goes on to lose perfect to Ryu. cap-dumbass-com 😠

Originally posted by Sado22

that's a laugh. 😆
brainy, the only "fights" we know of ken taking part in are:
-against troubled ryu
-against school girls (sakura and that ugly stupid sluty dumbas karin)
-against his own student, sean
-getting his nuts punched by his son, mel
-geting ***** slapped by Eliza for trying to date Morrigan
-against Ryu in sF2 (which he most likely won)
-against Ryu in SF3 (which he canonwise lost)
-fighting Bison (the only other FIGHT we know of) that we know ken to take part in and he had a school girl help him.

He fought in a local tournament and won, that's hwere he met sean. And. . . Don't make fun karin 😠

Originally posted by Sado22

aside from that he's fought in the US martial arts tournament. for all we know he's fighting school girls there too 😆

Originally posted by Sado22

you mean: if two people are learning the same thing and dumbass writers make the other learn faster due to crap like destiny🙂

Originally posted by Sado22

-Ryu goes and defeats the new SF champ (alex) PERFECT.
-Ken schools Sean in the qaulifying rounds

Alex & Sean are weak, though in comparison to ken and ryu.Infact, most of the new street fighters are, because they are teenagers and rookies. Would you really like NOOB fighters to beat Ryu and ken?

i belive ken takes this. you have to be on ryu lvl to beat him or else you have no chance.

your fanboyism got stale a long time ago.
~Sado