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Chemistry is a bit broader than just 'having sparks'. There's good chemistry and bad chemistry, and as I've said, it's a matter of opinion. For some reason, you all find Jack and Elizabeth soooooooo hot, and that is the base of your arguments for why Jack and Elizabeth should be together. That's fine; there's nothing wrong with that.

For me, Jack and Elizabeth are disgusting together, and while they have a fun friendship, the idea of them becoming anything more than what they are is absolutely repulsive to me.

It's not even that I hate either character; I just don't like them together. It doesn't feel...it doesn't feel right or real. Watching Elizabeth flirt with Jack was like watching a thirteen year old throw herself on a guy in college.

The kiss that everyone found so hot and provacative really didn't impress me, especially when she chained him up and left him to die. Sorry, a bit of hotness just doesn't negate the fact that what she did was reprehensible.

I know it's just a movie, but eh, I find the logic of having someone kill you be the person you hook up with. That's the best reasoning I can come up with for being squicked by J/E. I'll try to formulate my ideas better tomorrow. 😄

Keep trying, Im too tired to debate right now. I had a long day...

So, yeah, anyways keep it up and stuff. Night 🙂

Yeah, me too. It's two o' clock here and I'm falling alseep as I type. G'night Chiki, and everyone else.

Originally posted by Surreal_44
[B]Chemistry is a bit broader than just 'having sparks'. There's good chemistry and bad chemistry, and as I've said, it's a matter of opinion. For some reason, you all find Jack and Elizabeth soooooooo hot, and that is the base of your arguments for why Jack and Elizabeth should be together. That's fine; there's nothing wrong with that.

nuh-uh. we have lots of other arguments. the base of it, i reckon for me, is the fact that their personalities, desires for the future, and actions all seem to match up remarkably well. They have brilliant interaction, complex discussions, and they both desire freedom and adventure. the hot factor is just a bonus. please dont generalize about J/L shippers.

It's not even that I hate either character; I just don't like them together. It doesn't feel...it doesn't feel right or real. Watching Elizabeth flirt with Jack was like watching a thirteen year old throw herself on a guy in college.

heehee. 🙂

Originally posted by Surreal_44

And as I've said, I don't like the chemistry between Jack and Liz at all. I much prefer Will and Elizabeth's chemistry. 😄

Could you tell us, where do you see the chemistry, and what it is? I don't mean to sound rude, I'm just curious, because i don't really see it myself. 🙂

I'm going to be obnoxious and try to deal with your question, aelizabeth....

chemistry, in the purest sense of the word, implies subtances coming together and reacting in certain ways. So everyone technically has 'chemistry' with everyone they come in contact with, the question is whether it is good chemistry or not, whether the chemicals change each other, whether a reaction takes place.

when we talk about J/L chemistry, we're talking about several things. Jack seems to draw out Elizabeth's pirate nature. The way he talks to her, behaves around her, tends to reach her in her purest form; he gets to the heart of things with her rather quickly. He doesnt hide his attraction or respect for her. He doesn't change himself when he is with her. They both get to be someone they often have to hide around other people with each other. Jack comes through at his most vulnerable when he is with Elizabeth. She brings out the best in him, the good man. He brings out the honest, the daring, the strong in her.
They challenge and sharpen each other, as you can see from their conversations, banter, and competition.

Look at Will and Liz. they also have chemistry, its just really different. Elizabeth brings out the desperate and heroic side of Will, he brings out the compassionate and womanly side of her, in her stubbornness to rescue him. They work together well-- most of the time, as seen in the fight with the kraken. Elizabeth understands will enough to know what he is up to with the gunpowder. Will trusts Elizabeth's strength enough to give her the gun. Their youth, tenderness, and devotion make it obvious why they are the only stable things in each other's lives.

So its not so much about who has more chemistry, its just about the chemistry that people prefer to see.

katelovespirate, you are SO right. So right. ✅
I have seen the light. 😇

And I have nothing else to say. lol.

yay! 🙂 Though i reckon Surreal with have a thing or two to add.

Originally posted by katelovespirate
I'm going to be obnoxious and try to deal with your question, aelizabeth....

chemistry, in the purest sense of the word, implies subtances coming together and reacting in certain ways. So everyone technically has 'chemistry' with everyone they come in contact with, the question is whether it is good chemistry or not, whether the chemicals change each other, whether a reaction takes place.

when we talk about J/L chemistry, we're talking about several things. Jack seems to draw out Elizabeth's pirate nature. The way he talks to her, behaves around her, tends to reach her in her purest form; he gets to the heart of things with her rather quickly. He doesnt hide his attraction or respect for her. He doesn't change himself when he is with her. They both get to be someone they often have to hide around other people with each other. Jack comes through at his most vulnerable when he is with Elizabeth. She brings out the best in him, the good man. He brings out the honest, the daring, the strong in her.
They challenge and sharpen each other, as you can see from their conversations, banter, and competition.

Look at Will and Liz. they also have chemistry, its just really different. Elizabeth brings out the desperate and heroic side of Will, he brings out the compassionate and womanly side of her, in her stubbornness to rescue him. They work together well-- most of the time, as seen in the fight with the kraken. Elizabeth understands will enough to know what he is up to with the gunpowder. Will trusts Elizabeth's strength enough to give her the gun. Their youth, tenderness, and devotion make it obvious why they are the only stable things in each other's lives.

So its not so much about who has more chemistry, its just about the chemistry that people prefer to see.

You know that is true because have you notice that in the curiosity scene when Lizzie tells jack that he will do something curiagouse and he will be good man, Look at Jack's reaction and the way he talked to her. Almost as he seems real with her. When most of the time he always talk like a Pirate, but with Lizzie you almost see a different side of Jack especially in the Peas in a Pod scene.

✅ but seriously, the last few days, I've stopped disliking W/E and i think it's actually ok. 🙂

But, I'm still a J/E fan. Forevvvver. And ever. I will keep the faith. notworthy

Actually I don't have a whole lot to add, at least not at the moment, because I'm nearly brain-dead. 😄 But good observations on both pairings chemistry. Want to take a shot at James/Elizabeth?

I do have a few thoughts trying to wiggle free about chemistry between all the couples, but I do have to address this:

Kate wrote: nuh-uh. we have lots of other arguments. the base of it, i reckon for me, is the fact that their personalities, desires for the future, and actions all seem to match up remarkably well. They have brilliant interaction, complex discussions, and they both desire freedom and adventure. the hot factor is just a bonus. please dont generalize about J/L shippers.

Sorry for the generalization, and I knew it was stupid after I posted it, but I was too tired to try to reword it. 😄 But basically, every person who ships one way or another, finds the couple 'hot'. THEN we go and poke around for evidence. It is the same for any ship in any fandom, and as I've said, there isn't anything wrong with it. But regardless of the why or how we come to the conclusion that whatever 'ship' we are on is the right or best one, at the very base of our choice is what we find the most attractive.

Does that sort of explain what I meant? I have a whole long explanation of how I came to this conclusion that if you would like me to share, I shall. 😄

please share 🙂

Okie dokie, I shall share. The best example I can give is from a slasher's point of view, because it illustrates my explanation the best. I'm also choosing to use a film other than Pirates, simply because it's (hopefully) a bit less likely to make people go "Noooooo!!!"

For example, my friend loves the slash pairing of Tristan and Dagonet from Jerry B.'s movie "King Arthur". For those who have not seen the movie, Tristan and Dagonet have, between the two of them, about 20 lines or less, and they never speak directly to each other.

So why oh why does my friend like them as a 'ship'? Why? She finds Dagonet attractive. She finds Tristan attractive. She thinks they'd look good together. They smile at each other once or twice (supposedly), and they look at each other. Plus they both die tragic deaths, so it makes all their fanfic more angsty.

Granted, in the J/E ship, there's more than just two attractive people who happen to share some screentime together (although when has that ever stopped shipping? Laura Croft and Norrington, anyone?)...with J/E you get a lot of interaction that adds interest to an already attractive pairing.

So I'll try another pairing, also from King Arthur. Lancelot and Arthur. Yes, I know...*waits for the eeewwwwww to die down*. Those two characters have a TON of chemistry, and so the (supposedly) next natural step to take is to make them a couple.

Although I read slash, enjoy slash, heck I even write it, I tend to disagree (I know, shocking! 😛 ) that slash pairings are remotely canon unless it is obvious, like in "Brokeback Mountain".

This is vaguely how I feel about J/E shipping. There's chemistry there, there's flirting, there's you know, stuff, but is there anything beyond that? To me, I see a big "NO" to that...but eh, TnT could surprise me.

I'd be really happy if they surprised me with a James/Elizabeth ending, but... *sob*...I don't think that will happen.

Ok, did any of this make sense?

hmm, i think i understand what you're saying. 😕
is it like, you see where we are coming from, you see how we got the ship and why we like it, but you can't see the J/E relationship going any futher than it is already? Or did i completly miss the point. I probably missed the point 😆

i am completely slash-less and often anti-slash (especially when people do it with lotr, which pisses me off) hahaha... so i cant really comment there.

to put myself in context, i am also a huge supporter of the phantom and christine, ivanhoe and rebecca, Aragorn and Eowyn, etc... even though i sincerely like Roaul, Rowena, and Arwen.

For me, Jack and Elizabeth are disgusting together, and while they have a fun friendship, the idea of them becoming anything more than what they are is absolutely repulsive to me.

Man why do you have to always sizzle things up? We are not insulting your ship or whoever ship it is. We were only suggesting that W/E chemistry sucks.

OMG! 😱
I completly, utterly, 100% agree with everything you just said, Katelovespirate!

Originally posted by Mistypirate
Man why do you have to always sizzle things up? We are not insulting your ship or whoever ship it is. We were only suggesting that W/E chemistry sucks.

i agree with Misty there. you went a little too far. we are being really tolerating of W/E. It's good to have different people supporting different ships, but those remarks don't really contribute. Or maybe you could atleast phrase it better. 😐

Misty: You said:

Man why do you have to always sizzle things up? We are not insulting your ship or whoever ship it is. We were only suggesting that W/E chemistry sucks.

So er...is W/E chemistry sucking supposed to not be insulting? I'd hate to see what you actually consider an insult. 😛

As for why I am the way I am...I have what are called 'issues'. I seem to have a lot of them, so to pin down exactly why I try to piss people off, it would take too long....

aelizabeth: You got it! I see how J/E is attractive, but seeing it beyond anything else is kind of like, "HOW?" 😄

Kate: I don't mind slash, although slash in the LotR universe does squick me a bit. I have plenty of homosexual friends, and I tend to be rather asexual myself about matters, so I don't have as much of a problem with slash.

None of the other couples you mention really do much for me, but then again, I tend to not really care about most of them. 😄 I'm not much of a shipper, honestly.

I think I liked Harry/Hermione in the past, but I always knew he'd hook up with Ginny, so I didn't really care, because Ginny is cool too.

Oh, but I liked the Phantom and er...Lottie? from the most recent Phantom movie together. I think that would have been interesting. No opinion on Ivanhoe and Rebecca, and I'm on the fence with Aragorn/Arwen and Aragorn/Eowyn. In the movies, Aragorn/Arwen kind of smoldered together, and Eowyn was so cool...

Oh, but aren't you glad they didn't make Arwen into a warrior princess? I would have just gagged if they had followed through on it. 😘

yes. i am just anti-liv tyler. i find actresses with high voices extremely annoying. anne hathaway is on top of my actress hit list, followed by natalie portman and the olsen twins.

but anyways, back on topic...

I LOVED the idea of the Phantom and Meg Giry, if that's what you were going for, or even the Phantom and Madame Giry. In the movie, Mdm. Giry was flipping awesome.

A lot of my friends are homosexuals as well, i work in the theatre industry so thats life. but i hate it when people bend reality in half and ruin basic themes of a film or book to make their slash happen. Like Frodo and Sam. Their friendship is one of the purest, most beautiful things, and to see people distort it pisses me off. Similarly, with films like King Arthur, the majority of the characters are quite clearly heterosexual.

I'm not into Harry Potter, but when I read the books I felt as though Hermoine was 3% too annoying for Harry. But I didnt read the one where he hooked up with Ginny. How old are they all now? Adolescent romance, aside from Peter Pan, always freaks me out a bit.

Hmmm... I already gave my opinion on the chemistry of ships, so thats that.