Thanos vs. Hal Jordan/Kyle Rayner/Kilowog

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ands what you fail to realize, is that you can't take the averages of Characters when you have a character like Thanos who has very few appearances. THat just isn't fair. Even mighty ODin Has been portrayed as a chicken a couple times for story effect. Youhave to take hi feats when your comparing someone like thanos against someone who has been seen many many times. THey aren't always going to be portrayed as Gods, or the stories get stale.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Since when does Thanos have few appearances? I guarantee he has at least 200. That may not be as much as Supes or Thor, but it's more then enough to establish a gauge on his power.

Thanos is the plot/. where thor and superman are characters that react to the story. Therefor, They will have more average showings to drive the drama and entertainment. Whereas thanos is there simply to drive the story. With that being said, you have to take the highest of feats when pitting thanos against anyone or else your being unfair to the likes of Thor and superman.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos is the plot/. where thor and superman are characters that react to the story. Therefor, They will have more average showings to drive the drama and entertainment. Whereas thanos is there simply to drive the story. With that being said, you have to take the highest of feats when pitting thanos against anyone or else your being unfair to the likes of Thor and superman.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No, you have to take the highest AVERAGE or your being unfair to Thanos, because he's one of the few characters who's power is actually portrayed with a fair amount of consistency. If his power level seemed to fluctuate, then it might be debatable, but it doesn't. Anyone with over 1000 appearances(like Thor or Supes), is bound to have some uber feats to their credit, but you can't really penalize someone like Thanos who only has a couple hundred appearances, when he's consistently been shown to be above those characters. Fighting to the best of their ability doesn't mean that we only look at their high showings. It just means that the characters actually use the abilities they've shown they're capable of. PIS and SMvF are dictated by the AVERAGE(at least to a certain degree).

A character like thanos is a fan fav. And therefor not looked at with scrutiny. He constantly has good showings against Jobbers Like the surfer who forget all of his powers, Odin, who could just have steam rolled right over him, Tyrant, who played with thanos AND thanos had morg's power as well. The battles Thanos has had with top tiers don't impress me. It's not like he's fought Gladiator, a non jobbing Silver Surfer, and BRB. He's fought the like of Professor hulk, who isn't that strong at base, the thing, a version of THor I considered weak and in B and T, Out of his mind, and Herc. Thanos isn't fighting Multiple Hi tiers who have more than strength going for them. So it pisses me off to no avail for people to give so much credit without a scrutinizing eye. but they sure as hell can scruitinize characters they dont' like that much.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
A character like thanos is a fan fav. And therefor not looked at with scrutiny. He constantly has good showings against Jobbers Like the surfer who forget all of his powers, Odin, who could just have steam rolled right over him, Tyrant, who played with thanos AND thanos had morg's power as well. The battles Thanos has had with top tiers don't impress me. It's not like he's fought Gladiator, a non jobbing Silver Surfer, and BRB. He's fought the like of Professor hulk, who isn't that strong at base, the thing, a version of THor I considered weak and in B and T, Out of his mind, and Herc. Thanos isn't fighting Multiple Hi tiers who have more than strength going for them. So it pisses me off to no avail for people to give so much credit without a scrutinizing eye. but they sure as hell can scruitinize characters they dont' like that much.

Odin hardly steamrolled over him. He was unable to put him down for the count even after he pulled out that spear of his(I forget the name). I'll acknowledge that Odin definitely dished out more that Thanos in that fight, but the fact that Thanos took it all says a Hell of a lot for him. And Tyrant is above a skyfather, so Thanos's fight against him was hardly a bad showing.

By the way, Professor Hulk's base is WAY higher than any other version of the Hulk, which is why he's been able to take on the likes of Thor even though his strength doesn't increase as quickly as the other versions.

And which "weak" version of Thor are you talking about?

A Prof. Hulk who shook dimensions in his battle at the crossroads.

A Thor who knocked Thanos off planet with a swing from the hammer.

Yeah, real lightweights.

Its not jobbing unless they win huh?

Thats basically what you're saying.

Surfer has blasted Thanos to no avail.

As an Eternal, transmutation isn't a sure thing, due to the extensive molecular control.

When Darkseid takes the hv blast to the face, and smiles and backhands Superman into unconsciousness, is that Superman jobbing?

Of course, all this happens before 99.

We now know that Superman isn't likely to be one shotted by Darkseid anymore.
Apok Now and S/B has seen to that.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Odin hardly steamrolled over him. He was unable to put him down for the count even after he pulled out that spear of his(I forget the name). I'll acknowledge that Odin definitely dished out more that Thanos in that fight, but the fact that Thanos took it all says a Hell of a lot for him. And Tyrant is above a skyfather, so Thanos's fight against him was hardly a bad showing.

By the way, Professor Hulk's base is WAY higher than any other version of the Hulk, which is why he's been able to take on the likes of Thor even though his strength doesn't increase as quickly as the other versions.

And which "weak" version of Thor are you talking about?

That goofy Thor. I can't remember which one, they all get confused. But what I was saying was, ODIN should have steam rolled over thanos, he didn't, he jobbed. There is no way in hell Odin can be this all powerful Sky father that people make him out to be, and Thanos not been paste. So Either Odin isn't as powerful as people make him, or He Jobbed to thanos. It can't be both. I also said that Tyrant Jobbed to thanos becuz Tyrant is entity lvl in power. He's far superior to Thanos. He even looked like he was just having fun. Hell , he even laughed at the end of the whole thing cuz thanos got the wrong orb. It was a big fat joke to him. But people try and use these "feats" to make thanos out to be more than he is. When he has never handled any for real Top Tiers at the same time. When he can handle Superfast, Super Tough, Flying opponents at the same time, I will concede. I need to see him beat the shit out of Thor, Gladiator, and BRB and then I'll be convinced he's on Despero's lvl.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That goofy Thor. I can't remember which one, they all get confused. But what I was saying was, ODIN should have steam rolled over thanos, he didn't, he jobbed. There is no way in hell Odin can be this all powerful Sky father that people make him out to be, and Thanos not been paste. So Either Odin isn't as powerful as people make him, or He Jobbed to thanos. It can't be both. I also said that Tyrant Jobbed to thanos becuz Tyrant is entity lvl in power. He's far superior to Thanos. He even looked like he was just having fun. Hell , he even laughed at the end of the whole thing cuz thanos got the wrong orb. It was a big fat joke to him. But people try and use these "feats" to make thanos out to be more than he is. When he has never handled any for real Top Tiers at the same time. When he can handle Superfast, Super Tough, Flying opponents at the same time, I will concede. I need to see him beat the shit out of Thor, Gladiator, and BRB and then I'll be convinced he's on Despero's lvl.

And the scan I posted of Thor being knocked around by Thanos was indeed the "Classic" version of Thor.

Originally posted by darthgoober
UNLESS...Odin and Tyrant NOT steamrolling over Thanos was Marvel's way of showing how powerful Thanos really is. You wouldn't be upset if Odin or Tyrant DIDN'T roll over Darkseid now would you?

And the scan I posted of Thor being knocked around by Thanos was indeed the "Classic" version of Thor.

I believe DS to be close to Tyrant in power or equal. As Yugakhan is as powerful as Galactus and the only being who could kill him was DS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I believe DS to be close to Tyrant in power or equal. As Yugakhan is as powerful as Galactus and the only being who could kill him was DS.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait a second. What has Yuga done to put him at Galactus's level?

He's an old God. Much more powerful versions of the New Gods. His power was rediculous. And Kirby when he created DS, made him to be BIg G's Equal. Big G has grown in power and Tyrant is now at the lvl that Big G used to be at. WHich means DS is at the same lvl as Tyrant.

Yuga Khan is a Promethian Giant.

The Old Gods, which weren't really delved into in New God lore, are the Asgardians.

Or at least thats what Kirby alluded to.

Khan actually didn't do anything more impressive, other than topple his sons rule.

Galactus certainly has more showings that reinforce his power.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He's an old God. Much more powerful versions of the New Gods. His power was rediculous. And Kirby when he created DS, made him to be BIg G's Equal. Big G has grown in power and Tyrant is now at the lvl that Big G used to be at. WHich means DS is at the same lvl as Tyrant.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Yuga Khan is a Promethian Giant, lackwit.

The Old Gods, which weren't really delved into in New God lore, are the Asgardians.

Or at least thats what Kirby alluded to.

UM Yuga Khan is DS"s father. So where are you getting your info? Becuz your calling me out of my name and not having your info right.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No one cares what DS was created to be. The only thing that matters is what he's SHOWN to be. And he hasn't shown to be anything of the sort. By that reasoning, I could say that since Thanos was made to be Marvel's DS and Thanos has been upgraded since then, he is now far more powerful than DS. Do you see where that kind of thinking leads?

Really from where I am, No one cares what DS has shown to be and has done. You guys dont' use any logic in your assesment of him. You don't think to your selves, Damn, he absorbed the power of THOUSANDS of Gods. You don't think to yourselves, His avatars, are only but a fraction of his might. You don't think to yourselves, damn DS stopped ares with The GOD wave, and Takion, arguably more powerful than even Sky gods as he is the source avatar couldn't. All you do is seek to discredit, use a few stupid loeb showings, and uphold who you want to be the top of the character heap. Period.

I edited out the lackwit part, cuz it wasn't necessary.

But Yuga Khan is a Promethian Giant, and i know he's Darkseids father.

No secret there.

Hence the reason why Darkseid is really huge in his true form.

Covered that already.

And the only reason why people are so damn hard on you is because you're totally oblivious to what everybody else sees.

Darkseid isn't at the top of the character heap, due to Superman and others having knocked his craggy ass off multiple times.

Everybody else sees what the law of averages points out, BUT YOU!

Takion is merely the Avatar of the source.

You yourself just pointed out how little power Darkseid puts into the avatars he uses.

Who's to say that Takion and the Source isn't the same thing?

But going by your record, you're gonna ignore that, and this entire post.

What Darkseid did decades ago is nice, but shameful showings put a taint on things.

And guess what?!

Moaning about eyes being blinded, and begging and talking about change is shameful!

Odin has his low showings too, but his highend is so impressive, they balance out.

And the Godwave thing has been taken apart already.

Tech showing is great, but it wasn't completely under his own power.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Really from where I am, No one cares what DS has shown to be and has done. You guys dont' use any logic in your assesment of him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl You don't think to your selves, Damn, he absorbed the power of THOUSANDS of Gods. [/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl You don't think to yourselves, His avatars, are only but a fraction of his might. [/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl You don't think to yourselves, damn DS stopped ares with The GOD wave, and Takion, arguably more powerful than even Sky gods as he is the source avatar couldn't. [/B]

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl All you do is seek to discredit, use a few stupid loeb showings, and uphold who you want to be the top of the character heap. Period. [/B]

Originally posted by UniOmni
I edited out the lackwit part, cuz it wasn't necessary.

But Yuga Khan is a Promethian Giant, and i know he's Darkseids father.

No secret there.

Hence the reason why Darkseid is really huge in his true form.

Covered that already.

And the only reason why people are so damn hard on you is because you're totally oblivious to what everybody else sees.

Darkseid isn't at the top of the character heap, due to Superman and others having knocked his craggy ass off multiple times.

Everybody else sees what the law of averages points out, BUT YOU!

Takion is merely the Avatar of the source.

You yourself just pointed out how little power Darkseid puts into the avatars he uses.

Who's to say that Takion and the Source isn't the same thing?

But going by your record, you're gonna ignore that, and this entire post.

What Darkseid did decades ago is nice, but shameful showings put a taint on things.

And guess what?!

Moaning about eyes being blinded, and begging and talking about change is shameful!

Odin has his low showings too, but his highend is so impressive, they balance out.

And the Godwave thing has been taken apart already.

Tech showing is great, but it wasn't completely under his own power.

YOu do know that the Loeb showing are retconned. IC has retconned everything. As far as I concerned, I have to use the OLD DS showings becuz those are the consistant ones. Aren't you the one talking about consistancy? It isn't consistant at all the Superman be able to beat DS, when DS has beaten him and the entire league effortlessly so many times. As the record stands, DS still has more wins against Superman than Superman has on him. Takion is not the same thing as the source. Highfather did say that the creation is more powerful than the Creator. Highfather is by definition a SKYFATHER. Takion is more powerful, Making him Entity lvl. But he isn't abstract lvl like the source. The source is already shown to be superior to the spectre.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wrong, I do use logic in my analysis of EVERY character I'm discussing. Try to find a single instance to prove the contrary.

Because those Gods have an unestablished level of power. Besides, power absorption tends to wear off or be used eventually.

Well let's see... it's never covered WHAT fraction now is it? It could be 2%, or 95%, we don't know. And the majority of the info we have on them came from DS himself when he was talking to someone else.

He stopped time. He didn't stop the Godwave. There's a difference.

Because by forum rules, we go by the character's latest incarnation. And the way DS is being portrayed now just isn't as powerful as you act like he is. One day someone else may write him into a position of power again, but for now Supes>Darkseid.

Supers is also protected by the source. SOURCE>>> DS. not supers.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Supers is also protected by the source. SOURCE>>> DS. not supers.