Thanos vs. Hal Jordan/Kyle Rayner/Kilowog

Originally posted by MightyEInherjar
Well, I'm pretty sure (100%) Invisible Woman doesn't use tech to make forcefields, I don't think it's much different for Thanos.

Even if his shields ARE tech, he's always had them, and you can't really take them away from him. That's like saying Iron Man can't use his suit because it's tech.

This, I agree with.

On my part, it was really more a quibble than any point that would change the outcome/circumstance of this fight.

But I'm quite sure that his fields are technology rather than organic.

Originally posted by Wally West
This doesn't look like a tech forcefield to me, he isn't wearing any armour and his ship was destroyed just moments earlier:

http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fallen44os.jpg

this doesn't look like tech either, although not exactly a forcefield for himself:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/CelestialQuest6I.jpg

Fair enough about the first, but the second wasn't Thanos but a Thanos clone. (assuming it comes from Celestial Quest).

Retconned in Starlin's "Infinity Abyss".

Who was saying Thanos couldn't pull up a shield under his own power?

Originally posted by Desaad
Fair enough about the first, but the second wasn't Thanos but a Thanos clone. (assuming it comes from Celestial Quest).

Retconned in Starlin's "Infinity Abyss".

Originally posted by Wally West
Yeah but none of the clones have ever shown powers Thanos can't do,

Now thats totally untrue.

In the very story that introduced the clones, we saw clones that had powers that Thanos did not - telepathic powers, magic powers - and one clone in particular that was many times more powerful than Thanos himself -- Omega.

Clearly, clones could be much more powerful than him if he so desired it.

and that story was intended originally to be the real Thanos so using his normal powerset. He can manipulate cosmic energy in tons of ways, making a field with it is well within his power.

I have no doubt that Englehart meant it to be the "real" Thanos, but Starlin came in and retconned that. Probably in part because Thanos was doing things that he shouldn't have been capable of (as well as acting totally out of character).

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Who was saying Thanos couldn't pull up a shield under his own power?

'Tis me!

Originally posted by Desaad
Now thats totally untrue.

In the very story that introduced the clones, we saw clones that had powers that Thanos did not - telepathic powers, magic powers - and one clone in particular that was many times more powerful than Thanos himself -- Omega.

Clearly, clones could be much more powerful than him if he so desired it.

Possibly, but Thanos has used all of that in the past. He had to use magic to reach the In-Betweener. I think I posted that scan in a different thread.

Originally posted by Desaad
Now thats totally untrue.

In the very story that introduced the clones, we saw clones that had powers that Thanos did not - telepathic powers, magic powers - and one clone in particular that was many times more powerful than Thanos himself -- Omega.

Clearly, clones could be much more powerful than him if he so desired it.

I have no doubt that Englehart meant it to be the "real" Thanos, but Starlin came in and retconned that. Probably in part because Thanos was doing things that he shouldn't have been capable of (as well as acting totally out of character).

How big is Darkseid in his true form and is he more powerful?

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Possibly, but Thanos has used all of that in the past. He had to use magic to reach the In-Betweener. I think I posted that scan in a different thread.

I actually just re-read Thanos quest, so I'm going to have to disagree with you here.

Thanos used a magical throne, granted to him by Mistress Death to reach the Inbetweener in a realm of magic. He didnt' do anything magical himself, and only blasted the outside of his prison with his normal energies.

Its been said that he's dabbled in sorcery before, but we've never seen any tangible effects from that, and clearly the Strange clone was far more adept than he himself. So one could argue that the Thanos clone in Infinity Abyss showed the ability to make forcefields because he was far more adept in energy manipulation than normal Thanos was.

Purely speculation on my part, obviously, but either way it doesn't really mean anything. All I know for sure is that that scan cannot be used to prove anything about the normal Thanos, in my mind.

Originally posted by Wally West
Well obviously the Omega, Amour, Strange etc. clones were meant to have powers of others, I was refering to the regular Thanos clones that weren't merged with another being (and I think Starlin only retconned those apperances because Thanos acted out of character, not for displaying incorrect powers..). The Omega is the only clone I can recall Thanos saying was more powerful than himself. And I don't understand why you think he isn't capable of it, it has been shown he can create fields with his power, he can manipulate cosmic energy in many ways, energy manipulation is his main power.

I don't believe he can necessarily create forcefields on his own, because historically he's done it with technology from what I can remember. He isn't the Silver Surfer. He has more raw power, but not nearly the versatility.

Was the throne magical? He's used that same throne before, and it thought it was his earlier ship, and she just ported it there?

Originally posted by granzon
How big is Darkseid in his true form and is he more powerful?

Who knows?

We haven't seen it, ever, save perhaps in Seven Soldiers 1.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Was the throne magical? He's used that same throne before, and it thought it was his earlier ship, and she just ported it there?

Nah, he was going through the various dimensions via the Throne. And yeah, the Throne was magical, bequeathed by Mistress Death.

After its destruction, he tries to build his own but says its woefully inadequate compared to the one given to him by Death herself.

Originally posted by Desaad
I don't believe he can necessarily create forcefields on his own, because historically he's done it with technology from what I can remember. He isn't the Silver Surfer. He has more raw power, but not nearly the versatility.

Thanos can teleport/phase and create shields without tech, he just does it better with.

Originally posted by Wally West
Well if he can't create forcefields what is he doing in that first picture I linked too?

Thanos can teleport/phase and create shields without tech, he just does it better with.

Cosigned.

Originally posted by Wally West
Well if he can't create forcefields what is he doing in that first picture I linked too?

Thanos can teleport/phase and create shields without tech, he just does it better with.

Those scans did not show forcefields.

I believe this is a gray area for Thanos.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Those scans did not show forcefields.

I believe this is a gray area for Thanos.

I dind't see a force field either.

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What exactly would you call the thing Fallen One's face has slammed into then?

Originally posted by Wally West
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What exactly would you call the thing Fallen One's face has slammed into then?

An energy shield. Not exactly a force field. And if you scruitnize the scan, it actually looks as if thanos is exerting some energy outwards towards the fallen one.