Rotj Luke Vs. Rots Anakin

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You apparently fail to grasp the difference between mostly machine, and a human who can use the force freely to empower himself. Add to the fact that Vader was toying with him and then underestimated him, and you don't really have much of a case for Luke. Even if we assume for argument's sake that Luke had more strength than Anakin(impossible since Anakin was conceived of the force and therefore would have the greatest ability to increase his strength), then you have to understand that Anakin by ROTS was the greatest Djem So master of all time, while Luke didn't even learn a form yet. And unless you think Luke could take Dooku(no, he can't), then stop arguing nonsense.

There are plenty of failing's in your argument. Let me point them out to you.

1. Vader's machine body is in many cases an ADVANTAGE rather than a disadvantage. It offers him a knew level of physical strength that he did not have as Anakin. It also gives him some level of protection against lightsabers strikes.

2. Vader has an extra 23 years of experince. Vader has more than double the training time and experince that Anakin had. He knows significantly more about the Force than Anakin.

3. Anakin has never been proven to have been concieved by the Force.

4. If Anakin and Luke had the same potential at birth (which is very possible) then ROTJ Luke has MORE potential than ROTS Anakin, because Anakin is missing his whole are where Luke is missing only his hand.

5. Anakin was never stated to have been the greatest Djem So master of all time.

6. ROTJ Luke in his state of rage could probably take Dooku. Why? Because Luke took down Vader, who is stronger than Dooku.

7. When was it ever shown that Vader was toying with Luke?

8. When was it ever shown that Vader underestimated Luke? And going on this whole 'underestimated' argument, in the ROTS novel Dooku underestimated Anakin.

So there you have it, Luke wins.

Glentract, Anakin = the Chosen One. So either through the Force or Plagueis's machinations, he is conceived purely of midichlorians.

Dude don't be silly, Freedon Nadd is clearly the chosen one.

Originally posted by Sexyback
Dude don't be silly, Freedon Nadd is clearly the chosen one.

Sorry. The "SW Legacy Comics" thread (y'know, the one where Rex and I each had our turns at owning you?) disagrees.

Vader obviously isn't afraid of hurting Luke, as he took his hand off in the past.

Vader didn't care much that Sidious was killing Luke for a good minute or so after he started.

If Vader hadn't been fighting hard, what would have been the point?

Since when is Anakin on par with Sidious?

Anakin is on par with (and likely superior) to Sidious in terms of lightsaber combat. But in the Force? Hardly. And he likely wouldn't win against Sidious or Yoda in an all out fight.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
There are plenty of failing's in your argument. Let me point them out to you.

1. Vader's machine body is in many cases an ADVANTAGE rather than a disadvantage. It offers him a knew level of physical strength that he did not have as Anakin. It also gives him some level of protection against lightsabers strikes.

2. Vader has an extra 23 years of experince. Vader has more than double the training time and experince that Anakin had. He knows significantly more about the Force than Anakin.

3. Anakin has never been proven to have been [B] concieved by the Force.

4. If Anakin and Luke had the same potential at birth (which is very possible) then ROTJ Luke has MORE potential than ROTS Anakin, because Anakin is missing his whole are where Luke is missing only his hand.

5. Anakin was never stated to have been the greatest Djem So master of all time.

6. ROTJ Luke in his state of rage could probably take Dooku. Why? Because Luke took down Vader, who is stronger than Dooku.

7. When was it ever shown that Vader was toying with Luke?

8. When was it ever shown that Vader underestimated Luke? And going on this whole 'underestimated' argument, in the ROTS novel Dooku underestimated Anakin.

So there you have it, Luke wins. [/B]

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree.

1. The robotic body was probably less powerful and a lot less maneuverable.

3. Darth Plagueis did that.
"A child born of prophecy, possibly conceived by the will of the Force itself,"

4. Other than your head, body parts have little to do with the Force.
"Then Gantoris discovered that his hand motion did nothing but help him visualize moving the pole."

7. The Internet
"Vader offered Luke a chance to join forces rather than kill him outright."

All this information and more on starwars.com/databank/character
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Jesus christ Glentract, stop hanging around on EOD and copying their ridiculous arguments. Unless you want to embarass yourself like Nebaris/Planet. Every source has confirmed that Anakin is the chosen one, case closed.

Originally posted by True Geek
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree.

1. The robotic body was probably less powerful and a lot less maneuverable.

Originally posted by True Geek
I'm gonna go ahead and disagree.

1. The robotic body was probably less powerful and a lot less maneuverable.

3. Darth Plagueis did that.
"A child born of prophecy, possibly conceived by the will of the Force itself,"

4. Other than your head, body parts have little to do with the Force.
"Then Gantoris discovered that his hand motion did nothing but help him visualize moving the pole."

7. The Internet
"Vader offered Luke a chance to join forces rather than kill him outright."

All this information and more on starwars.com/databank/character
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1. Actually, the Robotic Body was more physically powerful, and over time, Vader managed to gain much of his agility and speed back via. the Force.

2. Don't try and spread that "Plagueis" BS around here, this is the highest level of Speculation, it is in no way shape or form an actual fact. He could have created Anakin, but Anakin could just have easily been born of the force like the prophecy says, and seeing as he IS the chosen one, and since there is ZERO proof of Plaguies creating Anakin, then we must conclude that Anakin was indeed born of the Force alone, because the prophecy says so, and Anakin is the chosen one so therefore he was created by the Force. There is no proof of Plagueis creating Anakin, and until then we must look at what we know, which was Anakin was created by the Force alone, until further evidence says otherwise.

3. Other then your head? What about the Midichlorians that inhabit your cells in the rest of your body? Humm...

Originally posted by Sexyback
Dude don't be silly, Freedon Nadd is clearly the chosen one.

Nadd was powerful but he was a damn Sith Lord. The Chosen One's purpose is to bring balance back to the Force and not make Dark Side more powerful.

Anakin was The Chosen One actually. It is true that he did became a Sith Lord in the process but he returned to Light and destroyed Sidious (the biggest threat to Light) to save his son and with him secure the future of the Jedi. Thus restoring balance to the Force.

Originally posted by Kadesh
I disagree completely, Because of the suit and his mechanical arms he is far stronger than he was without them, And vader learnt how to get agile in that suit, ----> Crimson empire

OT Vader was more powerful and his mastery in the Force had increased a lot. He had learned from his mistakes and could control his emotions and was also physically very strong as well. Though he was vulnerable to "Force Lightning" attack but I believe that he could stop it to some extent with his Light Saber.

ROTS Anakin was fast and agile but he was an idiot and could not control his emotions and thats why he lost to Obi-Wan.

Regarding ROTJ Luke vs ROTS Anakin fight:

ROTS Anakin will win after a good fight.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Jesus christ Glentract, stop hanging around on EOD and copying their ridiculous arguments. Unless you want to embarass yourself like Nebaris/Planet. Every source has confirmed that Anakin is the chosen one, case closed.

Dude, DG is one of the few people here that actually comes up with original arguments, we're still waiting for one from you Sexy, don't make us wait forever. 🙁

Who is we? Most of my arguments are original and good enough to shut you up. So stop saying "we" because "we" really means "You", and "You" have been embarrassed long enough to stop typing.

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Name one original argument, go on, I dare you!

Once again, I'll take it seriously when someone other than you(who gets embarassed sitting on here 24/7), makes some constructive criticism.

Well I just find it funny that you would tell someone (who's arguments are one of the most original ones on this forum) that they need to stop copying arguments, when it's all you do.

And the forum clown is back..

As is the forum troll..

Good one, now stop embarassing yourself for the millionth time. I'm surprised you come back here daily for the same result.

The thing is, you calling me the forum clown doesn't quite make it so, you on the other hand are a troll, the biggest one here, all you do is attack other's and/or their arguments, try and act like you're in a position to do so, yet don't put forth your own arguments.