Darkseid

Originally posted by bigbran
You are such a little fu...

Darkseid got his ass pounded... 😐

Well, based off of your earlier logic:
The OE goes around in zig zags... what the hell do you think it did in the Superman fight?
It ZIG F*CKING ZAGGED!

Your own logic against you, shame really.

DS doesn't use the OE on Superman. He knows it doesn't work.

Originally posted by bigbran
Sorry for all the posts in a row, but this can't wait.

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How many comics have you read? A billion?
Obviously your issue numbers aren't the only thing jumbled, but your knowledge of what went on is too.

Caught in your own web of lies! What retort are you going to use to dig your ass out of this one?
Flaming? Just walking away (best option here)? Admitting you're wrong (no, silly me, I don't think that has ever happened in all the time I have debated with you)? Or putting me on ignore, while saying I'm bugging you (seems like the most plausable one here)?

Well, I'm not out to get you (like the Boogy Man), but I saw what was wrong, and I came to prove it as so (before you get all, "flame, flame" on me).

So, if he wasn't immortal, then why would ONLY Drax be able to kill him, like what was said in the book?

SUperman is protected by the Source. Of which DS later found out. This would include his powers. And you aren't counting the fact that that writer had a mad on for trying to ruin DS. thank Goodness another writer explained that SUperman is protected by the Source. I have already talked about the heat vision incodent. Try and keep up. We discussed that along while ago. I aleady said that that was the Omega Effect and that SUperman's heat vision would be a part of himself and thus protected by the source. you aren't keeping up. In your zeal to try and be My boogy man, you should really try and keep up with my arguments. In trying to make me look a fool, you only make your self look silly becuz I have already been over all of this. As far as your thanos posting, Thanos isn't doing anyof that, under his own power. Thank you and good night. P. S. Please make Special note that DS hasn't lost any of his power but rather he is commenting on how much more powerful Superman has Grown. It would seem that SUperman has grown beyond what this forum considers his strength lvl into an above top tier. Of course if your going to use a scan, use it for what it's worth.

Darksied sucks ass

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SUperman is protected by the Source. Of which DS later found out. This would include his powers.

Speculation. Never said in the books. I'm quite sure of it.

And you aren't counting the fact that that writer had a mad on for trying to ruin DS.

No, he didn't. Schultz wrote Darkseid destroying Superman in three hits during OWAW.

Its what editorial called for, and he delivered. It was a poorly written, poorly drawn, poorly concieved story, but its in continuity. Its Darkseid's lowest showing to date.

Its okay to accept that.

thank Goodness another writer explained that SUperman is protected by the Source.

Where then?

I have already talked about the heat vision incodent. Try and keep up. We discussed that along while ago. I aleady said that that was the Omega Effect and that SUperman's heat vision would be a part of himself and thus protected by the source. you aren't keeping up.

There is nothing to keep up with. Its all rampant speculation on your part.

Firestorm has also redirected Darkseid's Omega Beams. Is he protected by the Source?

You can't just assume that the interpretation that you make is the correct one, when no such interpretation is even remotely hinted at.

In your zeal to try and be My boogy man, you should really try and keep up with my arguments. In trying to make me look a fool, you only make your self look silly becuz I have already been over all of this. As far as your thanos posting, Thanos isn't doing anyof that, under his own power. Thank you and good night. P. S. Please make Special note that DS hasn't lost any of his power but rather he is commenting on how much more powerful Superman has Grown. It would seem that SUperman has grown beyond what this forum considers his strength lvl into an above top tier. Of course if your going to use a scan, use it for what it's worth.

Thats certainly one interpretation that I've heard before, and its a fine one. Superman was supremely motivated in that instance, and we've seen heroes (Thor, for example) in that mode defeat villains who are generally vastly more powerful (Pluto, for example).

But Superman beat him. And, besides really being able to cut loose, and besides being incredibly angry, and besides having planned the whole thing...thats really it.

Nvr, you once again left out the proof I already got from you stating that the OE can fail. Imperiex took it, he wasnt erased at all. The OE has been messured, it doesnt matter wether Clark was protected or not, we know for a fact that other people will be able to stand it.

I've never seen a comic where it states that Superman is protected by the source.

I know it's been stated that he shares a bond with Kismet, as he is somehow a part/connected to her. That would make more sense to make him immune to the OE.

It could also be the whole "Everything comes from Superman" thing they pulled during infinite crisis. Although that was for Earth-2 Superman, our Superman essentially took his memories and being and took his "place." I'd wager a lot more on the first one though.

Originally posted by Bentley
Nvr, you once again left out the proof I already got from you stating that the OE can fail. Imperiex took it, he wasnt erased at all. The OE has been messured, it doesnt matter wether Clark was protected or not, we know for a fact that other people will be able to stand it.

Imperiex is on a far higher level than Darkseid, thus it is guaranteed to fail.

There have been statements - a number of them, in fact - that point to Superman being a Nexus being. I'm not arguing that he holds a special place in the universe.

But that doesn't make him unassailable. And, so far as we know, his special status doesn't have any effect on Darkseid's ability to defeat him. Perhaps we will find out that this is why Darkseid lost. But, as of now, Darkseid lost based on pure power vs power.

The fact remains that once the OE has failed we dont know for sure how much stronger than DS you need to be to stop it, wetter it would work or not with a certain character its mere speculation. This applies to defenses and magical accesories of a higher level; was it not Imperiex armor the thing that took the OE and not Imperiex himslef?

Originally posted by Desaad
There have been statements - a number of them, in fact - that point to Superman being a Nexus being. I'm not arguing that he holds a special place in the universe.

But that doesn't make him unassailable. And, so far as we know, his special status doesn't have any effect on Darkseid's ability to defeat him. Perhaps we will find out that this is why Darkseid lost. But, as of now, Darkseid lost based on pure power vs power.

Agreed. However, does that lower Darkseid, or raise Superman?

It's an interesting debate.

Avy, in all honesty it fails on two accounts.

One, it bitches out Darkseid to the comicbook reading public.

Two, it makes Superman even more disliked, due to people thinking it was his jobber aura that saved him.

One of the reasons why alot of people don't like Thanos, is because whenever he's involved(under Starlin), everybody else gets downgraded.
Be it in power or intellect, something is being jobbed, in many eyes.

Darkseid has beaten better than Superman, or at least equal to Superman.
The fact that he can't beat Superman, doesn't jibe with other showings.

Thats why people say Supershielding jobbed him out.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SUperman is protected by the Source. Of which DS later found out. This would include his powers. And you aren't counting the fact that that writer had a mad on for trying to ruin DS. thank Goodness another writer explained that SUperman is protected by the Source. I have already talked about the heat vision incodent. Try and keep up. We discussed that along while ago. I aleady said that that was the Omega Effect and that SUperman's heat vision would be a part of himself and thus protected by the source. you aren't keeping up. In your zeal to try and be My boogy man, you should really try and keep up with my arguments. In trying to make me look a fool, you only make your self look silly becuz I have already been over all of this. As far as your thanos posting, Thanos isn't doing anyof that, under his own power. Thank you and good night. P. S. Please make Special note that DS hasn't lost any of his power but rather he is commenting on how much more powerful Superman has Grown. It would seem that SUperman has grown beyond what this forum considers his strength lvl into an above top tier. Of course if your going to use a scan, use it for what it's worth.

"Try to keep up?"
Your pathetic. You completly changed your arguement (which I f*cking knew you would do), after you had the proof shoved down your damn greasehole.
No one is talking about Superman being protected.

Here is your bullshit for everyone to see.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO you dont' know your DC characters at all. When ever DS uses the Omega effect, he says this little spill about erasing you from existance. Superman didn't block the OE. He blocked the omega beams. Nice try tho.

Originally posted by bigbran
Sorry for all the posts in a row, but this can't wait.

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆

How many comics have you read? A billion?
Obviously your issue numbers aren't the only thing jumbled, but your knowledge of what went on is too.

Caught in your own web of lies! What retort are you going to use to dig your ass out of this one?
Flaming? Just walking away (best option here)? Admitting you're wrong (no, silly me, I don't think that has ever happened in all the time I have debated with you)? Or putting me on ignore, while saying I'm bugging you (seems like the most plausable one here)?

Well, I'm not out to get you (like the Boogy Man), but I saw what was wrong, and I came to prove it as so (before you get all, "flame, flame" on me).

So, if he wasn't immortal, then why would ONLY Drax be able to kill him, like what was said in the book?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SUperman is protected by the Source. Of which DS later found out. This would include his powers. And you aren't counting the fact that that writer had a mad on for trying to ruin DS. thank Goodness another writer explained that SUperman is protected by the Source. I have already talked about the heat vision incodent. Try and keep up. We discussed that along while ago. I aleady said that that was the Omega Effect and that SUperman's heat vision would be a part of himself and thus protected by the source. you aren't keeping up. In your zeal to try and be My boogy man, you should really try and keep up with my arguments. In trying to make me look a fool, you only make your self look silly becuz I have already been over all of this. As far as your thanos posting, Thanos isn't doing anyof that, under his own power. Thank you and good night. P. S. Please make Special note that DS hasn't lost any of his power but rather he is commenting on how much more powerful Superman has Grown. It would seem that SUperman has grown beyond what this forum considers his strength lvl into an above top tier. Of course if your going to use a scan, use it for what it's worth.

You little prick...

Talk down to me, after you lie, after you change your arguement, to have no mention of the post that I responded to.

No, can you actually admit that you lied/were wrong, or are you just going to change your arguement again.

Try, everyone can see that you were lying, you know, I know it, even your avatar knows it.

You dug your own hole, now it is up to you to get out.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Agreed. However, does that lower Darkseid, or raise Superman?

It's an interesting debate.

Both. Not many battles nowadays can really raise both though, unless they're written like Stardust vs Beta Ray Bill, or Hulk vs Thor H2H.

A character as powerful as Darkseid is supposed to be shouldn't be getting whomped by someone on the level of heralds and asgardians.

Originally posted by bigbran
You bastard!
I was showing that Darkseid did indeed use the OE, and earlier you said he didn't.

"Try to keep up?"
Your pathetic. You completly changed your arguement (which I f*cking knew you would do), after you had the proof shoved down your damn greasehole.
No one is talking about Superman being protected.

Here is your bullshit for everyone to see.

Here is my response:

Here is yours to mine:

Does this even make a lick of sense?
I knew you would do that, and you didn't think I would pick up on it.

You little prick...

Talk down to me, after you lie, after you change your arguement, to have no mention of the post that I responded to.

No, can you actually admit that you lied/were wrong, or are you just going to change your arguement again.

Try, everyone can see that you were lying, you know, I know it, even your avatar knows it.

You dug your own hole, now it is up to you to get out.

Now now, you really have a temper dont' you. Your getting my arguments mixed up. I earlier said that Superman was protected from the OE. WHen I said DS didnt' use the OE it was when WW blocked darkseid's beams. Please keep up. Your only looking stupid. you know how I know I said superman was protected by the source and so where his heat vision beams becuz everyone laughed at me. You idiot. keep up. YOur talking shit about me and can't keep up. Every one made fun of me for saying that superman's heat beams were protected by the source. Nice try you dick. Try and keep up.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Both. Not many battles nowadays can really raise both though, unless they're written like Stardust vs Beta Ray Bill, or Hulk vs Thor H2H.

A character as powerful as Darkseid is supposed to be shouldn't be getting whomped by someone on the level of heralds and asgardians.

DS himself said Superman had grown quite strong. INdeed it would seem that DS hadn't gotten any weaker but Superman had gotten stronger than Top tier.

Not really. Superman's still a top tier character. Honestly, it's just the influence of writers who don't know much about DS.

The only time he would ever hit above the top tier would probably be the day that he does something along the lines of defeating Spectre.

Originally posted by Howard_Jones
Not really. Superman's still a top tier character. Honestly, it's just the influence of writers who don't know much about DS.

The only time he would ever hit above the top tier would probably be the day that he does something along the lines of defeating Spectre.

With some of DC's writers, That wouldn't surpise me. It's like when you write superman, you get an auto pass to be an idiot and just write the dumbest things. But seriously, I have so many comics where DS just kicked the crap out of superman for fun. The only thing that can be explained is that DS was right, Superman had gotten stronger. Which is inline with his character. Every future version of Superman says he's gotten stronger. He was stronger in Kingdom Come. He was stronger in DC 1M. He gets stronger with time.

so . . . superman was able to turn the OE because he was . . . tough enough and NOT because he was/is protected by the source??

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sorry, avy, i'll have to say that shows DS has been lowered, as opposed to supes having been elevated to skygod levels.

i can't believe that whole 'protected by the source' thing was nonsense.

i feel so cheap . . . 🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
so . . . superman was able to turn the OE because he was . . . tough enough and NOT because he was/is protected by the source??

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sorry, avy, i'll have to say that shows DS has been lowered, as opposed to supes having been elevated to skygod levels.

i can't believe that whole 'protected by the source' thing was nonsense.

i feel so cheap . . . 🙁

But it's true right? he is protected by the source. He's has gotten stronger. DS said so and every future version of superman show's him being stronger.

supes HAS been depicted as stronger in the last couple years, no doubt. but to beat DS? seems only reasonable to assume that supes has gone up and DS has come down -- at least in the eyes of current DC management. i guess it could change again . . .

btw, was it ever proven that DS's losses really WERE attributable to avatars? or that the "REAL DS" has never before been seen?

Originally posted by leonidas
supes HAS been depicted as stronger in the last couple years, no doubt. but to beat DS? seems only reasonable to assume that supes has gone up and DS has come down -- at least in the eyes of current DC management. i guess it could change again . . .

btw, was it ever proven that DS's losses really WERE attributable to avatars? or that the "REAL DS" has never before been seen?

That is a grey area. Every time we think we have seen the real DS, It gets retconned. I'm pretty sure DS was the real one when he got pushed into the source wall. Which was the real victor in the Fight.