Originally posted by Juntai
Them stating it all makes it truth besides what you want to believe.http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=f9cca559jpgorig2ra.jpg
from Jack Kirby's Fourth World.
An avatar speaking.
A lot of this series involved different avatars of Darkseid.
"as avatars are weaker, they can even be defeated in battle"
And that Avatar enlisted the help of Vykin to try to go save Darkseid from The Source. Figure that one out.In this one, they actually show a bunch of the fights that are retconned as being Desaad.
http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=retcon9ha.jpgAn avatar?
http://img520.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fb977017jpgorig9uj.jpg
good stuff, jun. but i'll disagree with your sentiment about DS's losses to supes NOT degrading DS in some way. 🙂
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet the forum has already made fun of me for saying Superman's heat vision is protected as well. So which one is going to be. Your getting all upset but you still haven't gotten to that little fact. My statement precludes anything you think I have said or may have said in defense of something else. We do talk about more than one battle.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI don't care if the forum made fun of your pants!
My first assessment when the forum made fun of me still stands. Superman's heat vision is part of him. And thus protected as well. ANy thing I said after that may have been me getting confused or reacting to any statements. It happens. As it stands, Superman is protected by the source. Case and point is closed.
Find anywhere in my post, where I was talking about Superman being protected! In fact, in my response, I said I wasn't talking about him being protected.
Change your arguemnt... yet again!
Wait, did you even read my response, or is that comprhension that is making it look like you haven't even seen it.
OK, one more time:
You went along with Superman deflecting it. You said that he never used the Omega Beams on Superman. I showed you proof that he did.
Then you said that you were talking about Wonder Woman.
I responded with what you were actually said.
You changed your arguement, and lied.
Basically, in my second post, I said that I don't care if Superman was protected, he deflected what you said he didn't.
I don't care if it is pis, or cis, or Superman getting stronger. I don't want a response like that.
A tiny thing in which I proved you wrong escaladed into you lying at every opportunity.
Good job, you could have just admitted that you were wrong, and yet, you showed that no one should trust what you say.
Here is the whole arguement, for you to see your mistake. Notice anything?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO you dont' know your DC characters at all. When ever DS uses the Omega effect, he says this little spill about erasing you from existance. Superman didn't block the OE. He blocked the omega beams. Nice try tho.
Originally posted by bigbran
Sorry for all the posts in a row, but this can't wait.😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
How many comics have you read? A billion?
Obviously your issue numbers aren't the only thing jumbled, but your knowledge of what went on is too.Caught in your own web of lies! What retort are you going to use to dig your ass out of this one?
Flaming? Just walking away (best option here)? Admitting you're wrong (no, silly me, I don't think that has ever happened in all the time I have debated with you)? Or putting me on ignore, while saying I'm bugging you (seems like the most plausable one here)?Well, I'm not out to get you (like the Boogy Man), but I saw what was wrong, and I came to prove it as so (before you get all, "flame, flame" on me).
So, if he wasn't immortal, then why would ONLY Drax be able to kill him, like what was said in the book?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SUperman is protected by the Source. Of which DS later found out. This would include his powers. And you aren't counting the fact that that writer had a mad on for trying to ruin DS. thank Goodness another writer explained that SUperman is protected by the Source. I have already talked about the heat vision incodent. Try and keep up. We discussed that along while ago. I aleady said that that was the Omega Effect and that SUperman's heat vision would be a part of himself and thus protected by the source. you aren't keeping up. In your zeal to try and be My boogy man, you should really try and keep up with my arguments. In trying to make me look a fool, you only make your self look silly becuz I have already been over all of this. As far as your thanos posting, Thanos isn't doing anyof that, under his own power. Thank you and good night. P. S. Please make Special note that DS hasn't lost any of his power but rather he is commenting on how much more powerful Superman has Grown. It would seem that SUperman has grown beyond what this forum considers his strength lvl into an above top tier. Of course if your going to use a scan, use it for what it's worth.
Originally posted by bigbran
You bastard!
I was showing that Darkseid did indeed use the OE, and earlier you said he didn't."Try to keep up?"
Your pathetic. You completly changed your arguement (which I f*cking knew you would do), after you had the proof shoved down your damn greasehole.
No one is talking about Superman being protected.Here is your bullshit for everyone to see.
Here is my response:
Here is yours to mine:
Does this even make a lick of sense?
I knew you would do that, and you didn't think I would pick up on it.You little prick...
Talk down to me, after you lie, after you change your arguement, to have no mention of the post that I responded to.
No, can you actually admit that you lied/were wrong, or are you just going to change your arguement again.
Try, everyone can see that you were lying, you know, I know it, even your avatar knows it.
You dug your own hole, now it is up to you to get out.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now now, you really have a temper dont' you. Your getting my arguments mixed up. I earlier said that Superman was protected from the OE. WHen I said DS didnt' use the OE it was when WW blocked darkseid's beams. Please keep up. Your only looking stupid. you know how I know I said superman was protected by the source and so where his heat vision beams becuz everyone laughed at me. You idiot. keep up. YOur talking shit about me and can't keep up. Every one made fun of me for saying that superman's heat beams were protected by the source. Nice try you dick. Try and keep up.
Originally posted by bigbran
You f*cking pion!
Just to explain this, so that you can see:
You said that Superman blocked the Omega Beams. I showed you proof of him blocking the OE. So, now you are saying that you never said that, and that you said Superman was protected by the Source, and that is why he was able to do it. You also claimed you were talking about Wonder Woman, blocking the Omega Beams.
I never even adressed that Superman was protected by the Source. You just threw that in at your response to me.Now you are changing your arguement in order for me to look stupid.
Basically, you can't admit that you made a mistake, or that you lied.You know what, I'm sick of you. You're the worst liar on this forum.
I'm making myself look stupid?
If that is the case, then you must look like a piece of shit walking around with a hairless dog.Your ego is making you look like an even worse liar than you are (if that is possible). You can't admit you're wrong, so you go to changing your entire arguement, and even going to lie about everything you said.
Just to rub it in...
There, just in case you didn't read the first one (even though it is pointless if you did, since your conprehension will make it look like you're responding to someone else), then read those last seven (It takes seven times repeating something so you remember it for the rest of your life), because everyone else will. They will remember your lies for a time now.
I even threw in eight, just to rub that in.Now shooter, are you going to admit that you're wrong (no of course not), that you lied multiple times (no of course not), or are you going to change your arguement... yet again (most probable)?
I will hold nothing against you, if you do say you are wrong, but (and call it ego, or what ever you will) if you continue, I will also continue to stomp you, and show what a damn liar you really are!
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet the forum has already made fun of me for saying Superman's heat vision is protected as well. So which one is going to be. Your getting all upset but you still haven't gotten to that little fact. My statement precludes anything you think I have said or may have said in defense of something else. We do talk about more than one battle.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
My first assessment when the forum made fun of me still stands. Superman's heat vision is part of him. And thus protected as well. ANy thing I said after that may have been me getting confused or reacting to any statements. It happens. As it stands, Superman is protected by the source. Case and point is closed.
How many times did you change your arguement?
In the words of the mighty (HA!) nvr, YOU LOSE!
That is, unless you man up and admit that you were wrong, then lied... but shouldn't it be too late for that?
You were backed into a corner, and then you lied, simple.
I won't hold it against you, if you admit that you were wrong in the next post; over that, no, I will remember, as well as everyone that you are a massive liar.
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Which is PIS since only Orion can kill him.
Correction.
Anybody powerful enough can kill him.
He'll just merely come back.
Orion must be the one to finally lay him to rest, because Orion is the only one who's able to take his place, for there must always be a Darkseid.
Orions nature is what makes him the best choice to kill him.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Correction.Anybody powerful enough can kill him.
He'll just merely come back.
Orion must be the one to finally lay him to rest, because Orion is the only one who's able to take his place, for there must always be a Darkseid.
Orions nature is what makes him the best choice to kill him.
Just my opinion (on the whole Darkseid being at Thanos level) ....I'd put Darkseid at around Thanos level. This doesn't mean I am saying they are equal ....they are most certainly not.
For instance Darkseid, without external help, is substantially more powerful than Thanos, without external help.
(by external help I am including external power augmentation, for instance Darkseid having the ALE, or Thanos having the IG).
Hence it is not about power. What I am saying is that the two are analogous.
A good analogy here would be to look at the South American Jaguar and the Siberian Tiger.
Now, in the Amazon jungle the Jaguar is the apex terrestrial predator. It fills that niche.
In the Siberian wastes it is the Siberian/Amur tiger that fills that niche.
Now, while a Jaguar is powerful, the Amur tiger is far more powerful (the largest naturally occuring cat).
HOWEVER, the two are analogues of one another. They fill the respective niches in their respective habitats.
It is more or less the same for Thanos and Darkseid. They are, roughly, each other's mirror.
Now, Darkseid is on another level. Some of his showings have simply been on another plateau (note: again looking at feats that are not including external power augmentation .....thus no ALE for Darkseid, and no IG or similar for Thanos). Even without the Omega Effect Darkseid can still do amazing things using his psionic powers by themselves (eg turn a being into dust, or stone, with a thought; raise the dead; telepathically control 3 billion Daxamites).
However with that said Darkseid is generally equal to Thanos.
Not because of power ability, but simply because they are each other's ideological constant.
It is the same being in different universes.
Last analogy: Think of twins. One twin is taken to North Korea a day after he is born, and the other (identical) twin is taken to the Netherlands. Both twins are raised 100% accoding to the norms (eg culture, diet, etc) of those nations.
On their 20th birthday you go to see both twins.
You will note that the 'North Korean' twin (the one who went to NK)will be far shorter than his Dutch brother ( shorter by almost a foot and a half) ....this will be solely due to dietary conditions during the early years, which would make the NK twin to be malnourished and thus making his growth process to be at the very bottom of his genetic disposition for height (this is easily seen by comparing the average North Korean with the average South Korean).
There will also be huge differences in things like intellect, keratin levels affecting hair and nails, bone formation, personality.
However the two were identical twins when born.
Purpose of this? Simply to show that just because people are 'equal' doesn't make it so, and vice-versa.
Darkseid is equal to Thanos. Whether or not their power sets are equal or not.
With that said, not many characters can defeat a non-jobbing Darkseid. Superman cannot, Lobo cannot, the entire JLA cannot .....most of the defeats Darkseid has undergone have been primarily due to PIS.
Just wanted to point something out:
Nvr keeps claiming stuff about "This board is so biased, the rest of the internet/world/solar system agrees with ME!"
Well, over at herochat, it seems that most people are giving Thanos 9/10 against Darkseid. Even Jellyrobes, the notable DC/Superman fanatic only gives Darkseid three or four wins out of ten.
Hmmm....
Originally posted by Soljer
Just wanted to point something out:Nvr keeps claiming stuff about "This board is so biased, the rest of the internet/world/solar system agrees with ME!"
Well, over at herochat, it seems that most people are giving Thanos 9/10 against Darkseid. Even Jellyrobes, the notable DC/Superman fanatic only gives Darkseid three or four wins out of ten.
Hmmm....
🙂
This board is biased and bigger boards than it or hero chat exist. 🙂
It depends on the writer who would win. As we saw in the non cannon Marvel Vs. DC. Where Thanos got pretty beaten up.
You can't give a % where both have jobbed to the plot so often.
🙂
Originally posted by spetznaz
Just my opinion (on the whole Darkseid being at Thanos level) ....I'd put Darkseid at around Thanos level. This doesn't mean I am saying they are equal ....they are most certainly not.For instance Darkseid, without external help, is substantially more powerful than Thanos, without external help.
(by external help I am including external power augmentation, for instance Darkseid having the ALE, or Thanos having the IG).Hence it is not about power. What I am saying is that the two are analogous.
A good analogy here would be to look at the South American Jaguar and the Siberian Tiger.
Now, in the Amazon jungle the Jaguar is the apex terrestrial predator. It fills that niche.
In the Siberian wastes it is the Siberian/Amur tiger that fills that niche.Now, while a Jaguar is powerful, the Amur tiger is far more powerful (the largest naturally occuring cat).
HOWEVER, the two are analogues of one another. They fill the respective niches in their respective habitats.It is more or less the same for Thanos and Darkseid. They are, roughly, each other's mirror.
Now, Darkseid is on another level. Some of his showings have simply been on another plateau (note: again looking at feats that are not including external power augmentation .....thus no ALE for Darkseid, and no IG or similar for Thanos). Even without the Omega Effect Darkseid can still do amazing things using his psionic powers by themselves (eg turn a being into dust, or stone, with a thought; raise the dead; telepathically control 3 billion Daxamites).
However with that said Darkseid is generally equal to Thanos.
Not because of power ability, but simply because they are each other's ideological constant.It is the same being in different universes.
Last analogy: Think of twins. One twin is taken to North Korea a day after he is born, and the other (identical) twin is taken to the Netherlands. Both twins are raised 100% accoding to the norms (eg culture, diet, etc) of those nations.
On their 20th birthday you go to see both twins.You will note that the 'North Korean' twin (the one who went to NK)will be far shorter than his Dutch brother ( shorter by almost a foot and a half) ....this will be solely due to dietary conditions during the early years, which would make the NK twin to be malnourished and thus making his growth process to be at the very bottom of his genetic disposition for height (this is easily seen by comparing the average North Korean with the average South Korean).
There will also be huge differences in things like intellect, keratin levels affecting hair and nails, bone formation, personality.However the two were identical twins when born.
Purpose of this? Simply to show that just because people are 'equal' doesn't make it so, and vice-versa.
Darkseid is equal to Thanos. Whether or not their power sets are equal or not.
With that said, not many characters can defeat a non-jobbing Darkseid. Superman cannot, Lobo cannot, the entire JLA cannot .....most of the defeats Darkseid has undergone have been primarily due to PIS.
A typically excellent Spetz post.
🙂
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Very impressive dissertation. Honestly, with neither of them jobbing, it depends on the conditions of the fight. With prep, Thanos dominates DS. I'm sorry, but DS quite simply is nowhere near the evil genius that Thanos is. Straight fight, DS 6-7/10. The non-jobbing version of DS is way out of Thanos's league. He might even be on Tyrant's level. I mean De-powered Tyrant, not full tyrant. Some people compare New Gods DS (What I consider the 'non-jobbing' form), to Odin, but Odin dwarfs DS in feats by a mile. so yes they are roughly on each on other's level. But current DS, Thanos turns his rocky ass into a stone lawn gnome.
Originally posted by Soljer
Just wanted to point something out:Nvr keeps claiming stuff about "This board is so biased, the rest of the internet/world/solar system agrees with ME!"
Well, over at herochat, it seems that most people are giving Thanos 9/10 against Darkseid. Even Jellyrobes, the notable DC/Superman fanatic only gives Darkseid three or four wins out of ten.
Hmmm....
The big thing is that Astro believes that Thanos takes majority, and he's a huuuuge fan of Darkseid and the New Gods.
THe Total Culmination of Darkseid's Feats Far exceed Thanos. DS has displayed Superior POwer to Thanos. There is no arguing about that. NON at all. NO one can dispute that Thanos is an excellent strategist. If he was as powerful as DS, non of his accomplishments would amount to much becuz he wouldn't need his genious. According to Forum rules, DS would win over Thanos 8/10. NOn JObbing PIS/CIS removed. Unfortunately people do not follow forum rules. And to trickster about the other thread, you really get on my nerves. On one hand you talk trash about my thread and basically dont' even have a good discussion and then PM digi about the thread then make the rediculous comment that it could have been a good discussion. OH PLEASE. if I didn't ***** so much about the treatment of certain characters, there would have never been a discussion in the first place. I AM THE ONE WHO CAME UP WITH THE THREAD. OH DIGI PLEASE BAN ME. So every one can go back to the same old boring marvel beats DC threads we are so accustomed to seeing. THanks. Have a new year. My new's resolution, leaving KMC versus threads back to thier old Thor beats Everyone except thanos threads.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe Total Culmination of Darkseid's Feats Far exceed Thanos. DS has displayed Superior POwer to Thanos. There is no arguing about that. NON at all. NO one can dispute that Thanos is an excellent strategist. If he was as powerful as DS, non of his accomplishments would amount to much becuz he wouldn't need his genious. According to Forum rules, DS would win over Thanos 8/10. NOn JObbing PIS/CIS removed. Unfortunately people do not follow forum rules. And to trickster about the other thread, you really get on my nerves. On one hand you talk trash about my thread and basically dont' even have a good discussion and then PM digi about the thread then make the rediculous comment that it could have been a good discussion. OH PLEASE. if I didn't ***** so much about the treatment of certain characters, there would have never been a discussion in the first place. I AM THE ONE WHO CAME UP WITH THE THREAD. OH DIGI PLEASE BAN ME. So every one can go back to the same old boring marvel beats DC threads we are so accustomed to seeing. THanks. Have a new year. My new's resolution, leaving KMC versus threads back to thier old Thor beats Everyone except thanos threads.
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You aren't the only DC fan here.
You're just the only DC fanBOY here.
Originally posted by Soljer
I dunno, the closest thing to a fanboy I can really think of for DC would be Avalon. And even he makes pretty good points most of the time.Nvr's just kind of ignorant.
