Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
i just cant see spiderman winning in h2h with someone who is years beyond him, combat wise. Maybe if wolverine was human, ide understandbut hes not
He is human. Just a differnet race of human called homo-supierior. It is very easy to kock out wolverine, just like the Thing demonstrated. Wolverine won't stay concious after getting hit by class 15+ punches.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555I don't see him having the advantage in this kind of match, but Spiderman is experienced, AND far more physically superior, so I don't see him getting mulched. The question is whether Spiderman can deal enough to Logan and vice versa before tiring. Of course Spiderman could just tie by staying on the ceiling. 😄
i just cant see spiderman winning in h2h with someone who is years beyond him, combat wise. Maybe if wolverine was human, ide understandbut hes not
Originally posted by Arachnid1He can get hit, but that is fine seeing as he holds back alot. But there is no good reason he should be getting hit much at all by slower combatants in a match according to the rules. 😬
Spiderman has also been upgraded before too hasn't he?Poisonous stingers that took out someone like Morlun in a second.
The sensative web thing were he can sense vibrations to know where anything is or where its comming from. But it is mildly strong vibes considering it was from a web. But still strong enough to get the vibes of dripping water. Not to mention how much his speed and strength have been upgraded over the years. I'm guessing all the times he used to get hit was either PIS or due to his lack of experience.
Originally posted by Arachnid1How many hits are you saying it should take?
He is human. Just a differnet race of human called homo-supierior. It is very easy to kock out wolverine, just like the Thing demonstrated. Wolverine won't stay concious after getting hit by class 15+ punches.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don't see him having the advantage in this kind of match, but Spiderman is experienced, AND far more physically superior, so I don't see him getting mulched. The question is whether Spiderman can deal enough to Logan and vice versa before tiring. Of course Spiderman could just tie by staying on the ceiling. 😄He can get hit, but that is fine seeing as he holds back alot. But there is no good reason he should be getting hit much at all by slower combatants in a match according to the rules. 😬 How many hits are you saying it should take?
Not much. 10 at the most.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I don't see him having the advantage in this kind of match, but Spiderman is experienced, AND far more physically superior, so I don't see him getting mulched. The question is whether Spiderman can deal enough to Logan and vice versa before tiring. Of course Spiderman could just tie by staying on the ceiling. 😄
Ide say, strength wise he is obviously superior
agility, he is superior but its not a HUGE gap, i mean, its way up thier, but not what some people might be thinking (IE untouhcable)
The reason i see logan winning most of these is due to his sheer and rare martial side that coems out in scenarious like this. Similar to waht daredevil has shown to be able to do in a fight against spiderman, WOlverine can negate some potential harm that spidermans class 15 or whatever punches might have incurred. And although im sure spiderman could avoid damage some of the time, it wont be long before he encounters some sort of crippling strike
i mean, thats just my opinion, but in a scenario like this, epsecially seeing how adept logan is, spiderman might win a few, but spiderman has minimal "True" martial training, and relys on his spidersense and agility to forge his fighitng style. not that its bad, but truthfully, logan's trumps spidermans, perhaps more than any other advantage in this fight for either of them.
Originally posted by jgiant
How the hell is wolvie gunna win this one without claws??? Spider-man still has like ten times the strength...right? Spider-man still has ten times the agility...right??? Spiderman sill has ten times the speed right??? So what the hell is so hard about this one, its pretty much a no brainer.
Yes, yes, and yes. Even with the claws he still loses. Reminds me of the time Spiderman webbed logeans fist to his skull and left wolverine webbed in the air cursing. That was gold. 😆
Originally posted by jgiant
How the hell is wolvie gunna win this one without claws??? Spider-man still has like ten times the strength...right? Spider-man still has ten times the agility...right??? Spiderman sill has ten times the speed right??? So what the hell is so hard about this one, its pretty much a no brainer.
Yet spiderman has been hit by street level characters time and time again
PIS or not, it happens, and spiderman is far from untouchable. In a normal fight, thiers really no reason spiderman should lose, but as somene (batdude?) said ages ago, this is logans kind of fight
Spiderman usual all-over-the-place-ness that usually gets his opponents into submission isint really going to work out here, atleast not as much as it would in a normal setting.
and the fact that his webbing is stripped away, ide say thats a bigger handicap (in this fight) than logan getting his claws taken away. his fists are argueably just as deadly (well. not literally.)
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Agility he is definitely perhaps the best in Marvel (besides types like Mr. Fantastic), he can move with much more grace of ease than most guys out there, we must keep in mind he holds back.
Ide say, strength wise he is obviously superior
agility, he is superior but its not a HUGE gap, i mean, its way up thier, but not what some people might be thinking (IE untouhcable)
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555But DD was fighting a Spiderman that is not in KMC rules. Spiderman was holding back alot more, (in which even then DD admitted he was too much). No amount of technique these fighters have, would allow them to implement the damage that would be cause by 15 ton fists moving at 100 or more miles an hour the first second velocity wise. Wolverine does not have his claws, and he won't be able to do that damage. That would just be absurd. Spiderman's body is also much denser and harder to damage, not to mention his natural dodging ability will make a strike like that hard to believe. Wolverine doesn't just nerve-strike everything he encoutners (because he doesn't need to).
The reason i see logan winning most of these is due to his sheer and rare martial side that coems out in scenarious like this. Similar to waht daredevil has shown to be able to do in a fight against spiderman, WOlverine can negate some potential harm that spidermans class 15 or whatever punches might have incurred. And although im sure spiderman could avoid damage some of the time, it wont be long before he encounters some sort of crippling strike
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555But Spiderman's style is alot less predictable because he has his own unique style. Martial training will only do so far, but it won't help against vastly superior physique. Or else humans would kill everything. Logan's biggest advantage is his durability by far. If he lost that he would lose the match.
i mean, thats just my opinion, but in a scenario like this, epsecially seeing how adept logan is, spiderman might win a few, but spiderman has minimal "True" martial training, and relys on his spidersense and agility to forge his fighitng style. not that its bad, but truthfully, logan's trumps spidermans, perhaps more than any other advantage in this fight for either of them.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555PIS does count (though every time he gets hit isn't PIS), but this is a special match according to KMC, and not a comic book where things have to look interesting.
Yet spiderman has been hit by street level characters time and time againPIS or not, it happens, and spiderman is far from untouchable. In a normal fight, thiers really no reason spiderman should lose, but as somene (batdude?) said ages ago, this is logans kind of fight
Spiderman usual all-over-the-place-ness that usually gets his opponents into submission isint really going to work out here, atleast not as much as it would in a normal setting.
and the fact that his webbing is stripped away, ide say thats a bigger handicap (in this fight) than logan getting his claws taken away. his fists are argueably just as deadly (well. not literally.)
Lets put it like this, kraven beat spiderman hand to hand. Wolverine shouldnt have a problem. Lets also put it like this, king pin squezzed spiderman to sleep. Shouldnt be so hard for wolverine. Elektra also beat spiderman and to sum it all up silver samarai beat spiderman EASILY, wolverine shouldnt have a problem.
Originally posted by carver9A deer owned Wolverine too didn't he? Wolverine admitted Elektra was too much for him. Didn't an old guy with a cane beat Wolverine? This is why I hate feat wars. I wonder if someone is going to assume my standing on this issue.
Lets put it like this, kraven beat spiderman hand to hand. Wolverine shouldnt have a problem. Lets also put it like this, king pin squezzed spiderman to sleep. Shouldnt be so hard for wolverine. Elektra also beat spiderman and to sum it all up silver samarai beat spiderman EASILY, wolverine shouldnt have a problem.
Is spiderman stronger than colossus because if he aint his 10 ton strength aint doing anything.
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That was a swat and not a Colossus punching at all of his might btw.
Originally posted by carver9Just proves how inconsistant Logan is. Thing Ko'ed him fine. 😱
Is spiderman stronger than colossus because if he aint his 10 ton strength aint doing anything.
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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
A deer owned Wolverine too didn't he? Wolverine admitted Elektra was too much for him. Didn't an old guy with a cane beat Wolverine? This is why I hate feat wars. I wonder if someone is going to assume my standing on this issue.
When did wolverine say that elektra was to much for him or are you talking about the wolverine that mind was taken over by the hand. 😆
Wolverine almost killed elektra on all of there meetings except the time that elektra was trying to bring wolverine back from his animal side.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Agility he is definitely perhaps the best in Marvel (besides types like Mr. Fantastic), he can move with much more grace of ease than most guys out there, we must keep in mind he holds back.But DD was fighting a Spiderman that is not in KMC rules. Spiderman was holding back alot more, (in which even then DD admitted he was too much). No amount of technique these fighters have, would allow them to implement the damage that would be cause by 15 ton fists moving at 100 or more miles an hour the first second velocity wise. Wolverine does not have his claws, and he won't be able to do that damage. That would just be absurd. Spiderman's body is also much denser and harder to damage, not to mention his natural dodging ability will make a strike like that hard to believe. Wolverine doesn't just nerve-strike everything he encoutners (because he doesn't need to).
But Spiderman's style is alot less predictable because he has his own unique style. Martial training will only do so far, but it won't help against vastly superior physique. Or else humans would kill everything. Logan's biggest advantage is his durability by far. If he lost that he would lose the match.
I agree, to some extent, and i do agree logan will have to be on his best beavhior to win this. For the record though, DD has kept up with spiderman on many occassians despite his obviously superior strength, he also said "good thing i can roll with his punches"
anyways, clearly off track but point being, thier are SOME methods of compensateing for the strength differential. But all in all, this is an advantage spiderman has.
The problem im seeing though is that in the given scneario, logan has loads more expirence behind him, and is perhaps more geared towards this type of fight. If thier was a fight that logan could probably win against spiderman, or rather had the best chance of winning against spiderman it would be this one. He can deliver the neccessairy damage required to put spiderman down, but i agree, it would take some time. The thing is though logan theoreticly will never tire, and save getting his anus beat will be operateing at full mast the entire fight, while spiderman slowly degrades if the same happens to him.
And this would eventually begin to wear down his overall perofrmance. The longer this fight goes on, worse off spiderman will be. the biggest reason im sideing with wolverine is because of his vastly greater h2h. I think it would be really close, but wolverine has what it takes to put spiderman out
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
I agree, to some extent, and i do agree logan will have to be on his best beavhior to win this. For the record though, DD has kept up with spiderman on many occassians despite his obviously superior strength, he also said "good thing i can roll with his punches"
anyways, clearly off track but point being, thier are SOME methods of compensateing for the strength differential. But all in all, this is an advantage spiderman has.The problem im seeing though is that in the given scneario, logan has loads more expirence behind him, and is perhaps more geared towards this type of fight. If thier was a fight that logan could probably win against spiderman, or rather had the best chance of winning against spiderman it would be this one. He can deliver the neccessairy damage required to put spiderman down, but i agree, it would take some time. The thing is though logan theoreticly will never tire, and save getting his anus beat will be operateing at full mast the entire fight, while spiderman slowly degrades if the same happens to him.
And this would eventually begin to wear down his overall perofrmance. The longer this fight goes on, worse off spiderman will be. the biggest reason im sideing with wolverine is because of his vastly greater h2h. I think it would be really close, but wolverine has what it takes to put spiderman out
The whole X-men team doesn't have what it takes to take him out. He's fought them all at the same time and they couldn't even touch him. Nightcrawler even said "Hey, I'm just as agile as him. Let me take care of this." Then spiderman said "Ya, right" and Pwned nightcrawler.
Thats the stuff that happens when there is no PIS.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
The whole X-men team doesn't have what it takes to take him out. He's fought them all at the same time and they couldn't even touch him. Nightcrawler even said "Hey, I'm just as agile as him. Let me take care of this." Then spiderman said "Ya, right" and Pwned mughtcrawler.Thats the stuff that happens when there is no PIS.
🙁 , if you want to compare "pis"
you shuold really pick someone else to compare pis feats against besides wolverine
because wolverine cutting thanos with the infinity gauntlet is the kinda stuff taht happens when thiers "no pis"
Originally posted by carver9It was during their team up fight with Gorgon, he admitted he couldn't keep up with her. 🙂
When did wolverine say that elektra was to much for him or are you talking about the wolverine that mind was taken over by the hand. 😆Wolverine almost killed elektra on all of there meetings except the time that elektra was trying to bring wolverine back from his animal side.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555As do I.
I agree, to some extent, and i do agree logan will have to be on his best beavhior to win this.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Alot of people keep up with Spiderman in comics, heroes keep up with heroes. Spiderman and DD keep up with Hulk, but in the forum it won't be happening for long. DD would be able to roll from Spiderman, because Spiderman isn't trying his hardest ot kill him. If he was, even if DD did roll the first hit, he would be in worse shape to dodge after that and lose. But DD isn't even bulletproof, so I can't really see him taking more than one clean on shot before he's out by KMC rules, but I'll give him 2 or 3 if he gets lucky.
For the record though, DD has kept up with spiderman on many occassians despite his obviously superior strength, he also said "good thing i can roll with his punches"
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555DD can strike hard enough to kill a human, and Logan can as well, but neither of these can strike hard enough to break concrete or boulders. Spiderman is a pretty scary guy when he wants to hit hard. We just never see it.
anyways, clearly off track but point being, thier are SOME methods of compensateing for the strength differential. But all in all, this is an advantage spiderman has.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555I agree in one situation. But if we want to get really theoretical about it. Logan can't touch Spiderman unless he wants him too because of his adhesiveness. That would be a tie. But your scenario isn't incorrect.
The problem im seeing though is that in the given scneario, logan has loads more expirence behind him, and is perhaps more geared towards this type of fight. If thier was a fight that logan could probably win against spiderman, or rather had the best chance of winning against spiderman it would be this one. He can deliver the neccessairy damage required to put spiderman down, but i agree, it would take some time. The thing is though logan theoreticly will never tire, and save getting his anus beat will be operateing at full mast the entire fight, while spiderman slowly degrades if the same happens to him.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555I say Spiderman can put Wolverine down for a second, because healing doesn't matter with initial trauma. Wolverine feels the damage and then heals. A skilled MA should be able to keep him down. Even though it wouldn't be for long. Wolverine would still take the full force of the blow, and the adamantium wouldn't stop the inertia at all since it *is* blunt force. The only argument to the contrary is that he's taken them before, but we went to this logically and the argument didn't stand long. It all really depends on which version of Logan and Spiderman you wish to use. The untouchable vs. the un killable.
And this would eventually begin to wear down his overall perofrmance. The longer this fight goes on, worse off spiderman will be. the biggest reason im sideing with wolverine is because of his vastly greater h2h. I think it would be really close, but wolverine has what it takes to put spiderman out
But you aren't wrong in your argument.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
🙁 , if you want to compare "pis"you shuold really pick someone else to compare pis feats against besides wolverine
because wolverine cutting thanos with the infinity gauntlet is the kinda stuff taht happens when thiers "no pis"
Has wolverine ever cut thanos up with the infinity gauntlet?
