Spider-Man vs Wolverine: Slugfest

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Originally posted by Arachnid1
Yet wolverine still gets knocked out from one bop to the head from The Thing.bangin
after he was already on the fritz... what part of that didnt' you get?

thing also hit wolverine 3 city blocks and wolverine just got back up and ran back to the fight.
thing hit wolverine with a gigantic pillar and wolverine just got up and stabbed thing in the chest dropping him with one punch...
thing punched a drunk wolverine out of the x-mansion.. wolverine landed and got right back into things face...

that ONE feat was circumstanstial and isn't going to get reproduced... lik... ever..

This is spiderman with the webbing, what in the hell is he going to do without the webbing.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735835
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735837
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735842
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735846
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735849
Now this should shut all the spiderman fans up.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Venom is a much larger character, and his children are weaker. (his daughter is a 5 tonner I believe).
no his children were not weaker.. they were extremely powerful characters.. there was a while where scream had been hindered by an alien infestation so that coould be what you're reffering to, but his kids are definitely stronger.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It's simple. The more force something uses in that same amount of area, the faster it goes out. Because with each action there must be an equal or opposite reaction, and energy is never destroyed. Spiderman bounces like a loaded spring. Though I doubt he uses *all* of his strength within his movement as it would be too hard to control.
that's a lot of writing, but the simple fact is carnage is two times stronger than spiderman at the least, but, he's not really faster either.. 😕

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Or famous fighter rather... he's even dodged skilled marksman.

I'm not debating that spiderman can't dodge gunfire.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I agree that a bullet cannot change it's course of action (but Spiderman has faced smart projectiles before.) However at the same time, a punch only goes in a curved or straight direction, they do not flail about as unpredictable as say Ocks Tentacles would. The range is much more limited in a limb as well.

no offense, but I'm getting tired of seeing dock ock used as a comparison... both cap and dd have moved in close to doc ock without getting hit by his tenticals... doesn't make them untouchable....

on top of that I keep hearing that spiderman can dodge all four of dock ock's arms like it's the standard and it's not... spiderman more often than not gets pummeled by those things, hell lady ock took on both spideys at once with her tenticals... in comparison cap beat lady ock and green goblin at the same time without taking so much as a scratch and they sneak attacked him.. doesn't make him untouchable in a fight.

no that I'm done ranting.. (sorry C) then you conceded that striking and shooting are different games in spidey's regard?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That's a good point. Wolverine and Spiderman use their speed differently. Wolverine uses his skill and experience to predict, calculate, etc. and move accodingly. Spiderman uses his natural prowress and instinct to move. However there is a difference between being trained to do something and being built to do something. Spiderman was built to move. But he isn't really inexperienced in moving or combat either.

agreed.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I wouldn't say Logan couldn't touch Spiderman either. Just that Spiderman should be able to avoid him as long as he is being defensive and is at the best of his abilities.

agreed as well.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'd say just a league below. Wolverine uses alot of his experience to move fast, whereas Spiderman uses simply his instinct.
disagreed.. but fair enough.

Originally posted by carver9
This is spiderman with the webbing, what in the hell is he going to do without the webbing.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735835
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735837
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735842
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735846
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735849
Now this should shut all the spiderman fans up.
you clearly haven't been here THAT long have you? 🙁

Originally posted by jinzin
you clearly haven't been here THAT long have you? 🙁

why do you say that

Originally posted by carver9
This is spiderman with the webbing, what in the hell is he going to do without the webbing.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735835
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735837
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735842
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735846
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735849
Now this should shut all the spiderman fans up.

Those first two were sparing fights while they were with the avengers. They were supposed to holding back like spidey does all the time but instead, wolverine decided to stab a spiderman that was not at all trying too much. Sparring ans a real fight are two different things. And for the next three, did wolverine end up winning?

Originally posted by jinzin
no his children were not weaker.. they were extremely powerful characters.. there was a while where scream had been hindered by an alien infestation so that coould be what you're reffering to, but his kids are definitely stronger.
Wait, I thought you meant Spidergirl. I was going to talk about the Symbiotes, but I just guessed Spidergirl.

Originally posted by jinzin
that's a lot of writing, but the simple fact is carnage is two times stronger than spiderman at the least, but, he's not really faster either.. 😕

Carnage was definitely faster than Spiderman, not sure he moved as well though. Or needed to, but meh.

Originally posted by jinzin
no offense, but I'm getting tired of seeing dock ock used as a comparison... both cap and dd have moved in close to doc ock without getting hit by his tenticals... doesn't make them untouchable....

[QUOTE=8085195]Originally posted by jinzin
[B]on top of that I keep hearing that spiderman can dodge all four of dock ock's arms like it's the standard and it's not... spiderman more often than not gets pummeled by those things, hell lady ock took on both spideys at once with her tenticals... in comparison cap beat lady ock and green goblin at the same time without taking so much as a scratch and they sneak attacked him.. doesn't make him untouchable in a fight


Don't these two posts kind of contradict them selves then in terms of applicability? Read and see what I mean.

Originally posted by jinzin
no that I'm done ranting.. (sorry C) then you conceded that striking and shooting are different games in spidey's regard?
I'm saying that shooting is obviously harder to dodge, but they aren't going to have Peter getting shot up no more than they are going to have him not getting hit.

Originally posted by Arachnid1
Those first two were sparing fights while they were with the avengers. They were supposed to holding back like spidey does all the time but instead, wolverine decided to stab a spiderman that was not at all trying too much. Sparring ans a real fight are two different things. And for the next three, did wolverine end up winning?

he could have killed spiderman when he put the claws in his face but instead he killed him but spiderman ended up figuring out that it was wolverine by the claws.

Does anybody have any scans of Spiderman and Wolverine fighting where somebody accually wins instead of them stopping for some reason? There was a Spiderman vs Wolverine comic. Does anyone have scans of it?

Originally posted by jinzin
you clearly haven't been here THAT long have you? 🙁

😆 why do you say that?

I say Spidey for the win. I mean, he recently tied up Wolverine didnt he? Without the claws, its quite close I admit, but I think Spidey could tie him up again. without that 1 advantage, Wolvering will take beatings till Spidey get tired, like in the first Xmen (excuse the refference to a terrible movie, but... its true).

Originally posted by carver9
why do you say that
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Those first two were sparing fights while they were with the avengers. They were supposed to holding back like spidey does all the time but instead, wolverine decided to stab a spiderman that was not at all trying too much. Sparring ans a real fight are two different things. And for the next three, did wolverine end up winning?
that's why.

and here a glimps of daredevil and spiderman fight.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4098413

Daredevil had enough strength to lay spiderman down, so how do you think a adamantium fist with enhance strength would fare.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
no no, wolverine cut THANOS, who was WEARING the ifinity gauntlet

Wait. Thanos had the infinity gauntlet and Wolverine poked him?

Originally posted by carver9
lets all look at the agile and powerful spiderman bowing to wolverine.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4063175

They've both had their wins and losses against eachother, in some spiderman won, and in some wolverine. Since this is a Caged fight, i'd say wolverine has the upperhand.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Wait, I thought you meant Spidergirl. I was going to talk about the Symbiotes, but I just guessed Spidergirl.

no talking about symbiotes.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Carnage was definitely faster than Spiderman, not sure he moved as well though. Or needed to, but meh.
it didn't seem that way during maximum carnage, and carnage WAS going for the kill.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Don't these two posts kind of contradict them selves then in terms of applicability? Read and see what I mean.
yes they do, but it also helps to prove what I'm saying.. trying to front dock ock as a standard of spiderman's speed and reflexes to support that human league characters can't hit him isn't sufficient.. one cause he gets hit, two cause humans out maneuvar those things too.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I'm saying that shooting is obviously harder to dodge, but they aren't going to have Peter getting shot up no more than they are going to have him not getting hit.
but he doesn't have to get hit with fatal shots to get shot... if he never gets shot.. well.. you can't really hack that up to "they won't kill him"... he's just really hard to shoot.. like he said.. but he still has trouble in h2h close quarters.. like he admitted.

Originally posted by carver9
and here a glimps of daredevil and spiderman fight.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4098413

Daredevil had enough strength to lay spiderman down, so how do you think a adamantium fist with enhance strength would fare.

Spiderman fought a dude with a adamantium skull with enhanced strength and that didn't do that much. And correct me if I'm wrong but I always though daredevil was almost as agile as spiderman himself. And I also thought his unique 'seeing' abilities helped too.

Originally posted by jinzin
that's why.

OOOOOOOOh ok, I kinda knew thats what you were talking about but do you want to know something, that 1st one that i put up during the sparring with the new avengers I actually got that from a post you put up during a wolverine vs spiderman fight a while back.

Originally posted by jasonk3
They've both had their wins and losses against eachother, in some spiderman won, and in some wolverine. Since this is a Caged fight, i'd say wolverine has the upperhand.

Show me a fight that spiderman won besides the one where he fought the xmen.

Originally posted by jinzin
it didn't seem that way during maximum carnage, and carnage WAS going for the kill.
Was that before or after he was digging up his mothers grave? Because he had Spiderman at his mercy several times.

Originally posted by jinzin
yes they do, but it also helps to prove what I'm saying.. trying to front dock ock as a standard of spiderman's speed and reflexes to support that human league characters can't hit him isn't sufficient.. one cause he gets hit, two cause humans out maneuvar those things too.
It's inconsistent because.

1.You're saying that those said characters can dodge better than Spiderman.

2. You're saying those said charcters can function better than 4, free moving, super fast, super long, and superstrong tentacles that *each* have their own A.I.

Originally posted by jinzin
but he doesn't have to get hit with fatal shots to get shot... if he never gets shot.. well.. you can't really hack that up to "they won't kill him"... he's just really hard to shoot.. like he said.. but he still has trouble in h2h close quarters.. like he admitted.
He has been shot is my point, but heroes dodge bullets all the damned time... but they get hit by fists, that's just what they do in comics. Even wheelchair Xavier has dodged a few, bullets are just the biggest jobbers in comics. There's a difference in Cap dodging a punch and the marksman missing.

Spiderman lowers himself all the time, but he also said he was 40x faster than a man.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman lowers himself all the time, but he also said he was 40x faster than a man.

He also said that Captain America punches with the power of an atom bomb. Lesson of day? Spider-man can't be trusted. 😉