Wolverine cant touch spiderman huh.
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Wolverine cant touch spiderman huh.
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Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It was during their team up fight with Gorgon, he admitted he couldn't keep up with her. 🙂As do I.
Alot of people keep up with Spiderman in comics, heroes keep up with heroes. Spiderman and DD keep up with Hulk, but in the forum it won't be happening for long. DD would be able to roll from Spiderman, because Spiderman isn't trying his hardest ot kill him. If he was, even if DD did roll the first hit, he would be in worse shape to dodge after that and lose. But DD isn't even bulletproof, so I can't really see him taking more than one clean on shot before he's out by KMC rules, but I'll give him 2 or 3 if he gets lucky.
DD can strike hard enough to kill a human, and Logan can as well, but neither of these can strike hard enough to break concrete or boulders. Spiderman is a pretty scary guy when he wants to hit hard. We just never see it.
I agree in one situation. But if we want to get really theoretical about it. Logan can't touch Spiderman unless he wants him too because of his adhesiveness. That would be a tie. But your scenario isn't incorrect.
I say Spiderman can put Wolverine down for a second, because healing doesn't matter with initial trauma. Wolverine feels the damage and then heals. A skilled MA should be able to keep him down. Even though it wouldn't be for long. Wolverine would still take the full force of the blow, and the adamantium wouldn't stop the inertia at all since it *is* blunt force. The only argument to the contrary is that he's taken them before, but we went to this logically and the argument didn't stand long. It all really depends on which version of Logan and Spiderman you wish to use. The untouchable vs. the un killable.
But you aren't wrong in your argument.
BTW i was going to say that actually, rather the untouchable/unkillable comment
is this to death? or just to KO?
if it was tO KO it would be really even,
im assuming its to KO due to wolverines recent, and very goofy "immortality"
anyways, well, wolverine SHUOLD be around human level stats, (DD is semi-superhuman, for the record) enhanced human atelast but in comics im sure you know its a bit exzadurated, but for teh sake of a debate & compairison i know what you are saying (the concrete statement)
Well, im curious, would spidermans fists start hurting from punching adamantium?
Also, wouldent his adamentium atleast rediuce some of the impact a potential blow would create? Thats something i was wondering earlier on in this thread but i forgot to ask
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And within that same logic, the stronger a muscle is the faster it moves within that same area.
not always true.. example: venom, his children... not necessarily faster than spidey.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masternot against good fighters.
Spiderman's been dodging close up fights just like he has dodged projectiles.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterit COULD be that...
For him to dodge a laser without too much trouble, and have great trouble in melee, shows the amping of one powers or the downsizing of anothers.
or it COULD be that punching at spiderman and shooting at him are two different ways of attack... I figure, the spidersense can trace a direct line from the berrall of a gun past spiderman... but an incoming punch is trickier to pinpoint for the SS... the same way DD faked it out...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
There's no reason he shouldn't be able to dodge Wolverine.
aside from wolverine's experience and comparible speed?
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterno, but I'm not about to say nightwing can't touch logan in a fight either.
With that you could also say Wolverine's feats could be duplicated by Nightwing, does that make Nightwing as fast as Logan and Spiderman?
Originally posted by Tha C-Masterspiderman IS faster, no one's debating that...
Logan and Spiderman team ups, Spiderman has also been portayed as the faster one as well. I'm saying Logan is about... 80% the speed of Spiderman, or something like that.
I'll just default here to the idea I read earlier....
it's like a gold medalist and a silver medalist in an olympic foot race... their in the same league, one just finishes first.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555It's just KO.
BTW i was going to say that actually, rather the untouchable/unkillable commentis this to death? or just to KO?
if it was tO KO it would be really even,
im assuming its to KO due to wolverines recent, and very goofy "immortality"anyways, well, wolverine SHUOLD be around human level stats, (DD is semi-superhuman, for the record) enhanced human atelast but in comics im sure you know its a bit exzadurated, but for teh sake of a debate & compairison i know what you are saying (the concrete statement)
Well, im curious, would spidermans fists start hurting from punching adamantium?
Also, wouldent his adamentium atleast rediuce some of the impact a potential blow would create? Thats something i was wondering earlier on in this thread but i forgot to ask
Spiderman wouldn't hurt his hands on the adamantium. His body is dense and the adamantium is made so it feels and behaves alot like bone. Bone bends in at many parts and isn't just flat. It has gaps.
The adamantium wouldn't do much to absorb blunt damage. It's why cars are softer now than they were then. Imagine driving into a tree with an indestructable car. The metal wouldn't bend, so all of the inertia would go straight to the victim and send them flying foward. This would be the equivalent of Wolverine's organs/brain.
Originally posted by Arachnid1when you can prove that spiderman can even knock logan out, then we'll have something to discuss.. until then...
Wolverines healing factor doesn't stop him from getting knocked out. Its heals him. Thats all. Spidey 10/10. Wolverines not even close to fast enough and he fell unconsious from one hit to the head from the Thing. It would only take spidey a few hits which he gets in easily. Wolverines outclassed here.Spiderman 10/10.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
It's just KO.Spiderman wouldn't hurt his hands on the adamantium. His body is dense and the adamantium is made so it feels and behaves alot like bone. Bone bends in at many parts and isn't just flat. It has gaps.
The adamantium wouldn't do much to absorb blunt damage. It's why cars are softer now than they were then. Imagine driving into a tree with an indestructable car. The metal wouldn't bend, so all of the inertia would go straight to the victim and send them flying foward. This would be the equivalent of Wolverine's organs/brain.
ahh okay
i see
thats what i was thinking but i wasnt completely sure
ill be back in a few, dinner
good debateing with you
ill try to eat and continue
But the infinity gauntlet is a powerful marvel artifact with limitless power. There is no reason he shouldn't be able to use it to do stuff like that. My comparison to Spiderman vs X-men had spiderman using his own abilities. If wolverine had the infinity gauntlet while fighting spiderman you already know what happens. But without it the result is exactly the opposite. The infinity gaunlet is nothing more that a trump card that seals the opponents fate. This fight has wolverine without the Infinity Gauntlet.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Spiderman has also been upgraded before too hasn't he?Poisonous stingers that took out someone like Morlun in a second.
The sensative web thing were he can sense vibrations to know where anything is or where its comming from. But it is mildly strong vibes considering it was from a web. But still strong enough to get the vibes of dripping water. Not to mention how much his speed and strength have been upgraded over the years. I'm guessing all the times he used to get hit was either PIS or due to his lack of experience.
problem being.. HE STILL GETS HIT... look at both of his civil war encounters with cap.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
But the infinity gauntlet is a powerful marvel artifact with limitless power. There is no reason he shouldn't be able to use it to do stuff like that. My comparison to Spiderman vs X-men had spiderman using his own abilities. If wolverine had the infinity gauntlet while fighting spiderman you already know what happens. But without it the result is exactly the opposite. The infinity gaunlet is nothing more that a trump card that seals the opponents fate. This fight has wolverine without the Infinity Gauntlet.
no no, wolverine cut THANOS, who was WEARING the ifinity gauntlet
Originally posted by jinzinVenom is a much larger character, and his children are weaker. (his daughter is a 5 tonner I believe).
not always true.. example: venom, his children... not necessarily faster than spidey.
It's simple. The more force something uses in that same amount of area, the faster it goes out. Because with each action there must be an equal or opposite reaction, and energy is never destroyed. Spiderman bounces like a loaded spring. Though I doubt he uses *all* of his strength within his movement as it would be too hard to control.
Originally posted by jinzinOr famous fighter rather... he's even dodged skilled marksman.
not against good fighters.
Originally posted by jinzinI'm betting.
it COULD be that...
Originally posted by jinzinI agree that a bullet cannot change it's course of action (but Spiderman has faced smart projectiles before.) However at the same time, a punch only goes in a curved or straight direction, they do not flail about as unpredictable as say Ocks Tentacles would. The range is much more limited in a limb as well.
or it COULD be that punching at spiderman and shooting at him are two different ways of attack... I figure, the spidersense can trace a direct line from the berrall of a gun past spiderman... but an incoming punch is trickier to pinpoint for the SS... the same way DD faked it out...
Originally posted by jinzin
aside from wolverine's experience and comparible speed?
That's a good point. Wolverine and Spiderman use their speed differently. Wolverine uses his skill and experience to predict, calculate, etc. and move accodingly. Spiderman uses his natural prowress and instinct to move. However there is a difference between being trained to do something and being built to do something. Spiderman was built to move. But he isn't really inexperienced in moving or combat either.
Originally posted by jinzinI wouldn't say Logan couldn't touch Spiderman either. Just that Spiderman should be able to avoid him as long as he is being defensive and is at the best of his abilities.
no, but I'm not about to say nightwing can't touch logan in a fight either.spiderman IS faster, no one's debating that...
I'll just default here to the idea I read earlier....
Originally posted by jinzinI'd say just a league below. Wolverine uses alot of his experience to move fast, whereas Spiderman uses simply his instinct.
it's like a gold medalist and a silver medalist in an olympic foot race... their in the same league, one just finishes first.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555I'll be off doing something more constructive soon. But it was good discussing now. (I'm trying to get rid of the whole "arguing" idea). 🙂
ahh okay
i seethats what i was thinking but i wasnt completely sure
ill be back in a few, dinner
good debateing with you
ill try to eat and continue
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
A deer owned Wolverine too didn't he? Wolverine admitted Elektra was too much for him. Didn't an old guy with a cane beat Wolverine? This is why I hate feat wars. I wonder if someone is going to assume my standing on this issue.
my notions about the deer thing withheld...
wolverine never admitted elektra was too much for him, the only thing that ever came close to that was a non canon source...
the old guy with a stick was spewing with magic.. so I'm not sure what that proves.
Originally posted by jinzinNot going to cover this, it isn't my main focus.
my notions about the deer thing withheld...wolverine never admitted elektra was too much for him, the only thing that ever came close to that was a non canon source...
the old guy with a stick was spewing with magic.. so I'm not sure what that proves.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555😉
ditto 😄
lets all look at the agile and powerful spiderman bowing to wolverine.
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