Originally posted by fsufan89
Maybe a little. But dont forget how the story happened. Firelord could have destoyed the whole cit bu there was no honor in that. Spidermn used plot devices and then Went all out at the end because he knew many lives depended on it
Compared to what all Firelord has had to take, Spider-man's punches would be like tickling him with a feather.
Sorry to make people mad but wolverine is winning this fight, his fighting skills is no comparable, except the captain and spiderman strength aint doing nothing but making wolverine madder and madder. Spiderman loses everytime by a berserker rage wolverine. Just to unstoppable for spiderman to handle.
Originally posted by carver9
Sorry to make people mad but wolverine is winning this fight, his fighting skills is no comparable, except the captain and spiderman strength aint doing nothing but making wolverine madder and madder. Spiderman loses everytime by a berserker rage wolverine. Just to unstoppable for spiderman to handle.
You aren't making anyone mad. The majority are, quite peacefully, saying that Wolverine wins. Don't flatter yourself.
Originally posted by Soljer
You aren't making anyone mad. The majority are, quite peacefully, saying that Wolverine wins. Don't flatter yourself.
lol, ok i wont flatter myself but people underestimate wolverine alot and they give spiderman quicksilver speed. I'll spiderman his props he is faster than wolverine but trust me its not far at all and the agility dept isnt that far either. Wolverine fighting ability and his experience will topple spiderman everytime. I give wolverine the edge over spiderman on the streets of new york and also in the ring, thats just my opinion. During marvel knights #13 when he felt bad for stabbing spiderman, he sat down and let an enraged spiderman well on him saying, spiderman you can stop at any time, it is starting to hurt, treating peter like a step child. His punches didnt do nothing at all to wolverine, wolverine could have gotten back up and stabbed spiderman again but spiderman ended up passing out due to blood lose and wolverine ended up getting cursed out by cap.
Wolverine wins this.
Originally posted by Soljer
Errrmm...That's pretty much along the lines of what everyone has been saying thus far.
Except more coherently and with...you know, proper punctuation and the use of paragraphs.
When i start typing I try to type everything that i can before I forget thats why i forget to put punctuations in my paragraphs but i'll be back on this site again tomorrow to see what arguments people put in the super flash speed spiderman favor. have a good one soljer and dont let these nuts change your mind about who would win, I seen what that dude did by putting up a post that you wrote about slade and cap. Stick to your decision.
Wolverine wins.
Originally posted by Soljer
Then, by all means, prove me wrong. I'd be more than happy to be incorrect here. I just haven't seen many feats from Spiderman that puts him LEAGUES over the Street-levellers like Captain America. Much less Wolverine, who's speed is enhanced a bit beyond peak human.
I still think it was a good comparison, but I will definitely do my best to try and prove you wrong. You know I respect you, Soljer, more than most on here. I'm enjoying this. 🙂
Can you provide any evidence to show that Wolverine is anywhere near this fast (aside from those two scans capt always posts)? Because I have read a lot of Wolverine and X-Men, and have never seen anything to prove he is close to Spider-Man in speed.
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So now, Soljer, let's see if you can prove me wrong, eh? 😉
I told myself that I wasn't going to get sucked into this, but saying "Wolverine has comparable feats to Spiderman in speed" You could also say that characters like Nightwing have comparable feats to Wovlerine in speed. Obviously Nightwing isn't faster than Wolverine nor Spiderman. So the C>=B>=A argument is null, and is *exactly* why I hate feat wars.
It's simple, Spiderman is Superhumanly fast, Wolverine is enhanced fast. We've had this discussion at our other forum.
As for the match, with webbing, Spiderman wins. Without it, well it would be a long match, but this isn't a grappling match, would incapacitation not count? I want to give it a break even or the majority to Logan, but there are so many unpredictable things that can happen. Spiderman could just sit on the wall and rest or stalemate. This match is a break from the norm though.
Alright. I'll do my best. However, I'm no Wolverine fan. I don't have any scans of him on my computer, and most of the Wolverine respect thread is people arguing with haters. I'll see what I can scrounge up, but in the mean time, lemme point out a few things -
Originally posted by Metalmanx
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Originally posted by Metalmanx
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2) Speedsters - meaningless. Wolverine's tagged Northstar and Speed Demon, if I recall correctly. Captain America's tagged Quicksilver and the like. They use pretty much the EXACT same technique Spiderman used. Clever? Yes. Speed feat? Not really.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
1. http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=28112qy.gif
1a. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6823461
1b. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=65878992. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/Spider%20SpeednAgility/SpiderSpeed3.jpg
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3) Non-speed feats. Feats like these are impressive, but don't really showcase Spider-man's speed. In the first example, he dodges Rhino with his spider sense. Punches him. Jump-Dodges with his spider sense, punches him. Dodges again to the front. Punches him. The text even says "Guided by his spider sense." Would you be able to argue that Spiderman could do the exact same with Wolverine? Sure. If you wanted to. But that would be a 'Can Logan tag someone with Spider-sense?' debate, not a speed debate. The 1a and 1b are extra examples of, seemingly, the very same thing.
Also, in a feat war between these two, we have to remember that Spidey ALWAYS has his spider sense active (Except against Symbiotes/Green Goblin Gas/ Plot Devices or when those !@#$ing writers forget it), while Logan or anyone we are pitting him against do not have such an advantage. Any speed feat they pull of must be PURE speed. Not a combination of pre cog and speed.
2. A little hard to read, but I managed. Seems like this is more of a 'travel' speed feat, or a strength one. His legs were strong enough to propel him faster than the thrown object. This is the whole "Silver Surfer vs. Flash" debate. Travel speed vs. Combat speed. I don't doubt that Spiderman's class 15-20 strength could EASILY propel him through the air or across the ground faster than Wolverine or Captain America. Same way the Hulk's class 100 legs let him run at like three hundred miles per hour and jump miles through the air. This one may or may not sound like a cop-out, but do you get my meaning? This may be a reflex feat, but his opponent lifted the car into the air, and still had time to utter a sentence before he threw it. I'd say that Spiderman knew exactly what was to come. Jumping in front of the car is all leg-strength.
3. Pete says it himself, "Do I not have a spider-sense in your dimension?"
Originally posted by Metalmanx
1. http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=29817cz.gif2. http://img405.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33655wg.gif
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6. http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6386/1534uv.jpg
7. http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/8611/1583ao.jpg
8. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/Spider%20SpeednAgility/SpiderSpeed2.jpg
9. http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6506479
4) Actual, disputable speed feats. This section isn't for me to explain away, this is the section of feats I'm actually going to have to match. Most of my replies in this section will be quite disputable, and unsubstantiated. Don't take them at face value.
1. I don't have scans, as I said, I'm no Wolverine fan. However, I believe that Wolverine has outspeeded the Danger Room's targetting systems quite a few times. I could be wrong.
2. Captain America's done the same. In zero-gravity. This, I DO have scans of if you really wish to see - I'm a Cap fan, 😄.
3. I don't really have a reply for this - I couldn't see Wolverine pulling it off. Not the same way, anyways, since that used a LOT of agility, and a bit of webslinging. I'm not sure what I can think of that matches it tic for tac, as it's also a bit of a LONG speed feat. However, what I said before about spider sense and after images still applies here.
4. Dodging Electro's blasts like that is pretty damned impressive. However, I'd think that dodging barrages from Cyclops' optic blasts is equally so. 😬
5. Something I can't really match. I don't think I've ever seen someone like Daredevil just been totally outclassed by Logan in speed. I'll see what I can dig up, but for now, you've got me here. Let me say this, though, though that showing is almost absolute, there ARE showings of Daredevil managing to keep up with Spiderman. At least a couple.
6. Nice indeed, but this seems like a generic feat, to me. There are times when entire SQUADS of trained Soldiers couldn't get a bead on Captain America or Wolverine. I think I have the Cap scans - the example that Capt it up always pulls out for Wolverine will also have to suffice in this case.
7. Hmmm...This is another I'm not sure I can match. I know Captain America has beaten Doc Ock before, I'll have to go see how he survived the tentacles. More than likely the shield played a part in it. Also, though it is a bit of a cop out on my part, we have to take into account the Spider Sense again, not pure speed.
8. Ooohh.. Impressive. Multiple speed feats in one. It was a bit hard to read, but I did my best. As far as the first panel goes, I'm not sure what those are that Pete's dodging. Gimme a hand? As far as taking out a group of trained soldiers without them ever really even getting a visual? See number 6. Taking out Hawkeye like that in the bottom panel? (That IS hawkeye, isn't it?) I'll try to scrounge something up, 😉.
9. I love this feat. You see, I'm also a Spiderman fan, and this feat is just...beautiful, to me. The bullet is a foot away from Spiderman, TOPS, before his spider sense kicks in. And he still has time to dodge it. However, Captain America dodging Winter Soldier's bullet at point blank range is comparable, in my opinion.
Alright, I bolded the ones that I couldn't really match or explain - I'll see what I can find on those. As far as the rest of it goes, I'll admit that you're at a disadvantage. I'm using a ton of street leveller's feats - if you notice, I brought up Captain America a time or two - because I'm not just trying to prove that Logan and Spiderman aren't THAT far apart, but also that Spiderman's speed isn't COMPLETELY out of the league of guys like Captain America.
Another advantage I'm at is that I'm not trying to prove that anyone's FASTER than Spidey, or even AS fast, just that they are close enough that he won't be able to totally blindside him with his speed. I think I've done an alright job of that thus far. I suppose we'll see how you respond. 😄
I'm also having a bit of fun with this, Metalman, and I thank you. I haven't really tried going tic for tac with someone in a while.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masteris IS a WWE match, not boxing so Spidey can do grabs
I told myself that I wasn't going to get sucked into this, but saying "Wolverine has comparable feats to Spiderman in speed" You could also say that characters like Nightwing have comparable feats to Wovlerine in speed. Obviously Nightwing isn't faster than Wolverine nor Spiderman. So the C>=B>=A argument is null, and is *exactly* why I hate feat wars.It's simple, Spiderman is Superhumanly fast, Wolverine is enhanced fast. We've had this discussion at our other forum.
As for the match, with webbing, Spiderman wins. Without it, well it would be a long match, but this isn't a grappling match, would incapacitation not count? I want to give it a break even or the majority to Logan, but there are so many unpredictable things that can happen. Spiderman could just sit on the wall and rest or stalemate. This match is a break from the norm though.
Originally posted by Tha C-Masteri guess it would....it's not only those two guys how define durability tho 😕
I meant to say "isn't this". My bad.Also by the same illogic mentioned earlier. Spiderman has been hit by Hulk and Thing, therefore he is as durable as Logan. Does that make any sense to you?
Originally posted by The Fake Macoy
Without Claws, Spidey could just crush Wolverine's windpipe with one punch. Wolverine does not have the same level of power, and without his claws would need to make a lot more hits to cause damage to Spidey. Besides, I still say that the spider sense will be a major advantage.
Logan's had a sword put through his throat with little ill effect.
A crushed windpipe wouldn't slow him down for long.
This is spiderman himself admitting that wolverine is faster
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