Spider-Man vs Wolverine: Slugfest

Originally posted by Soljer
Seriously, MetalMan. You know I'm no fanboy, and I will DEFINITELY conceed that Spiderman is faster, but look at the panels on the page. Wolverine has Spiderman level feats. 😬.

Oh, no worries there, Soljer. I know that you're by no means a fanboy. In fact, I'm kind of enjoying this, since this is one of the very few times we've disagreed over a match. 🙂

And yes, I've seen the panels on the pages, too. And I've just seen Spider-Man always move considerably faster than Wolverine. And I've seen a lot from each one.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh, no worries there, Soljer. I know that you're by no means a fanboy. In fact, I'm kind of enjoying this, since this is one of the very few times we've disagreed over a match. 🙂

And yes, I've seen the panels on the pages, too. And I've just seen Spider-Man always move considerably faster than Wolverine. And I've seen a lot from each one.

Then, by all means, prove me wrong. I'd be more than happy to be incorrect here. I just haven't seen many feats from Spiderman that puts him LEAGUES over the Street-levellers like Captain America. Much less Wolverine, who's speed is enhanced a bit beyond peak human.

Originally posted by Soljer
Yes. Except one of Spiderman's largest advantages is more or less nullified by Wolverine's largest advantage - Spider-strength and a healing factor, respectively.

In a fight where Spiderman can use mobility to his most advantage and webbing? He'd absolutely take a majority. In a close-up fight, though? Claws or not?

Tailor-made for Logan.

Well, there's also the superior reflexes, agility, speed, and, of course, the spider-sense.

We seem to keep forgetting the spider-sense, that will allow Peter to know when and where Logan will strike, giving him ample time to dodge and counter any attack Logan throws.

Even close-up, this is still easily Spidey's match.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Well, there's also the superior reflexes, agility, speed, and, of course, the spider-sense.

We seem to keep forgetting the spider-sense, that will allow Peter to know when and where Logan will strike, giving him ample time to dodge and counter any attack Logan throws.

Even close-up, this is still easily Spidey's match.

Superior reflexes and speed I'm still calling into doubt, though, friend. I mean, superior? Yes. But VASTLY? Not really. Enough to make or break the fight? Probably not.

The Spider sense will be a GREAT boon to Spiderman, but it isn't one hundred percent infallible.

Not to mention the fact that it will make Spiderman last a LOT longer, but it will still eventually come down to the fact that Peter can't REALLY hurt Wolverine, while Wolverine CAN deal out nerve strikes, assuming he can EVENTUALLY get some hits in.

What would be stopping Spider-Man from delivering the same type of nerve blows? An adamantium skeleton doesn't mean peters hits arn't going to be doing damage. Not to mention its not like they are in a 6ft x 6ft room, the cages are far from small, plenty of room to move around in.

Wolverine is good I just can't see him beating Spider-Man with or without claws... thats just me though.

Originally posted by StarsNeverFall7
What would be stopping Spider-Man from delivering the same type of nerve blows?

Skills and experience? I, personally, have never seen Spiderman use a nerve strike.

Something I find interesting:

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm a big Cap fan, Kam, but Deathstroke's on another level in ever category save skills. Cap's got him outskilled like crazy, but he's weaker, slower, etc.

While I usually deplore using other post from different threads to prove a point, I couldn't pass this one up.

In this case, Spider-Man is Deathstroke and Wolverine is Cap. Spider-Man has every single fighting advantage on Wolverine save for fighting skills and healing factor.

And then of course, the spider-sense...

Spiderman does not have the power to put down Wolverine. He's taken punches from Thing, Namor, Colossus, Hulk and so on and so on. And those guys hit harder than Spidey does.

Spiderman bends the bars and puts Wolverine's head there and then bends it back. 😄

Originally posted by Jyppe
Spiderman bends the bars and puts Wolverine's head there and then bends it back. 😄

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Something I find interesting:

While I usually deplore using other post from different threads to prove a point, I couldn't pass this one up.

In this case, Spider-Man is Deathstroke and Wolverine is Cap. Spider-Man has every single fighting advantage on Wolverine save for fighting skills and healing factor.

And then of course, the spider-sense...

1) It is common knowledge that I, many times, will not honestly believe what I post, but will simply argue it for the intellectual exercise. Perhaps I honestly believe Spiderman would win, and just want to argue for Wolverine for fun, perhaps I believe Cap could give Deathstroke a run, but just felt like arguing for Deathstroke.

2) Spidey can't be Deathstroke, and Wolverine can't be Captain America.

You see, faster and stronger opponents are nothing to Captain America. But one that is MUCH faster, and MUCH stronger, and has an insane healing factor? I think that, perhaps, may be a bit much. Spiderman has no healing factor (I'm aware that he heals at an accelerated rate - but it doesn't deserve to be called a true healing factor in the Deadpool/Wolverine sense of the power).

Also, as I've said many times, Spiderman's speed is NOT out of Wolverine's league the way Deathstroke's is out of Cap's. Spiderman is Wolverine's superior in speed, yes, but they are peers. The gap isn't large enough to play a SERIOUS factor in the outcome of the fight. Especially in such enclosed surrounds.

Also, as has been noted time and time again, Spiderman's strength will not phase Wolverine the way Deathstroke's could damge Captain America. Spiderman can pound on Wolverine's face, and in a second or two, Wolverine can spit in Parker's. If Deathstroke did the same to Cap, Cap would need a surgeon. And fast.

So, all in all, bad comparison, Metalman! I'm sure you knew better than to try to pull that out as evidence in this thread. Spidey isn't possibly an analaogue to Deathstroke, and Wolverine isn't possible one to Cap. It just doesn't work that way when the factors in each fight are terribly different.

yeah pretty much my senitments exactly.... that said.

there's also the factor of skills... in matters concerning spiderman, there's a vast skill difference between him and logan, and logan is far superior to spiderman in fighting ability... infact spiderman proves time and time again against street levels that skills can compensate for a lack of powers when the difference is great enough. spidey vs. cap being a prime example....

the difference between deathstroke and cap isn't that great at all. Not the lightyears of difference between spidey and wolverine. That's why the powers make up the difference in a fight 'tween stroke and cap (aside from the reasons already discussed). Another factor is CIS, spidey has serious CIS issues while DS doesn't care about who he kills in the process of a fight. That was just a terrible analogy/comparison metalman.

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm weighing this fight as if Spider-man would not be given his webbing. If Wolverine doesn't get his claws for this fight, it's only fair that Pete's webbing gets taken away as well.

The way I look at it, this would probably be a really good fight. There are many different factors to put into this equation. On one hand, you've got an extremely agile warrior whose reflexes are next to nobody's. He's very quick, and very strong. And on the other hand, you've got an extremely brutal killing machine that when motivated, can beat almost anybody (street level and a little bit over, that is) in a straight up brawling type of a fight. His rage, healing factor, and stamina plays an extremely intricate part in my decision for weighing out this fight.

In a contained area, much like the cage these two would be fighting in, Spider-man's agility and quickness would be very limited in how he would be able to use them to his advantage. He would have to engage Logan in a way that is STRICTLY out of his element when compared to somebody of Wolverine's talents.... he'd have to fight Logan in a brutal h2h encounter. Now, Spider-man's reflexes would certainly keep him in the fight for a relatively long time, but it would only delay the inevitable. Peter is outclassed in fighting skills, stamina, tenacity, durability... and let's not forget about Wolverine's ever-so-popular healing factor. Nothing Spider-man could hit him with would put Logan down for the count, no matter how you look at it. Wolverine's healing factor is that damn uber. He'd be rolling with the punches like nobody's business, and all the while Parker would get more and more worn out for the duration of the match. Logan would stay as fresh as a daisy with his healing factor taking care of the fatigue poisons that would otherwise be wearing him down as well. Spider-man's enhanced durability would prove to be valuable for him, but Wolverine can easily find ways around that. Logan would use swift but effective strikes in key areas that would immoblize Spider-man. A few pressure point strikes later, and it'd be over for old Peter boy. It would be a tough battle for both contenders, but IMO Wolverine would come out on top about 6-7/10.

Of course, my decision would be completely different if they were to be fighting in a wide open area for Spider-man to be able to use his agility, speed, and webbing to keep Logan off of his toes. I just feel like this type of situation is not how Spider-man would want to fight Logan. He'd be restricted, and would be inexorably defeated. This is Logan's type of fight.

👆, and the last part of the paragraph (enlarged) is the biggest reason he wins.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Spiderman does not have the power to put down Wolverine. He's taken punches from Thing, Namor, Colossus, Hulk and so on and so on. And those guys hit harder than Spidey does.

It may take awhile but spiderman does have the power. He did knock out firelord which is an amzing feat. His speed is also far superior. He could probably dish out seven to ten punches for every one. His punches also do more damage then logans. The main thing Logan has to evn the odds is the healing factor but that is almost it.

Originally posted by fsufan89
He did knock out firelord which is an amzing feat.

Around here, that's the quintessential definition of PIS.

Originally posted by batdude123
Around here, that's the quintessential definition of PIS.

😐

Spidey's been whomping Top-tiers for ages.

Originally posted by fsufan89
It may take awhile but spiderman does have the power. He did knock out firelord which is an amzing feat. His speed is also far superior. He could probably dish out seven to ten punches for every one. His punches also do more damage then logans. The main thing Logan has to evn the odds is the healing factor but that is almost it.

Far superior? 😬.

I don't think so. Superior? Absolutely. But enough to justify an adjective like that? Not at all.

I mean, if you can prove me wrong, I'll be happy to be incorrect - I'm more of a Spiderman fan than a Wolverine one - but as far as I can tell, they are pretty nearly peers as far as speed goes. Not equals. But peers.

Originally posted by batdude123
Around here, that's the quintessential definition of PIS.

Maybe a little. But dont forget how the story happened. Firelord could have destoyed the whole cit bu there was no honor in that. Spidermn used plot devices and then Went all out at the end because he knew many lives depended on it

Originally posted by fsufan89
Maybe a little. But dont forget how the story happened. Firelord could have destoyed the whole cit bu there was no honor in that. Spidermn used plot devices and then Went all out at the end because he knew many lives depended on it

Spiderman KOing a herald who travels the cosmos with class ten punches?

Even after a plot device or two.

Does that sound legit to you?

Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
😐

Spidey's been whomping Top-tiers for ages.

That doesn't change the fact that Spider-man beating Firelord is PIS.