Spider-Man vs Wolverine: Slugfest · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

jinzin Senior Member

Originally posted by tkitna
Well to be honest when we're making a comparison using Spidermans bone structure as the catalyst here, is this fraction of durablity going to make a difference? I wouldnt think the hide of a character that can resist nuclear bombs should be in question.

and a skeleton that does much the same?

Originally posted by tkitna
I agree that Spiderman would and should break his hand. It was a point I was trying to make in an earlier debate a while ago, but i'll drop it from here on out.

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Originally posted by tkitna
With what or how? Remember, Wolverine is being held in a submission hold by a character that is at least 10 times stronger than he is. I dont think Wolverine is going to be able to do any of that when his limbs are being held.

unless it's an all purpose submission hold, he can use his free limbs.. his head if need be, I mean hell he's staggered hulk with a head but, he should do some damage to spidey.
spiderman's a lot stronger than wolverine but he'd have to be a LOT more skilled than he is to pull off what you're asking him to do here.

Originally posted by tkitna
I'm sure a character that is faster and stronger would be able to hold a lesser character in some sort of hold.

if he knew what he was doing... perhaps... but he's nowhere near as skilled as he needs to be to immobilize wolvie with a hold, and nowhere near fast enough to do it without getting tagged like crazy.

Originally posted by tkitna
Have you ever a wrestled a friend that could kick your butt, but you've got him into a hold he couldnt get out of? I have.

wrestling isn't the same as fighting, yes there are holds that one can use to put others to immobilize them when rules are in place to keep from biting, eye gouging, etc etc.. but that's not the same as what's we're discussing.

Originally posted by tkitna
I was talking about a submission hold. Who said anything about throwing punches?

unless spiderman plans on choking wolverine or an hour or longer without getting hurt then again, it ain't happening...

Originally posted by tkitna
So Spidey isnt more durable, stronger, and faster than Cap? We wont even bring the spider-sense into it. As for CIS, I was just listing a way that Spidey could win. Isnt that the point of this?

I'm not calling spidey's speed or durability into question.. the fact is, if he tries to get that close to wolverine neither of those factors will matter.. and to be honest, I really haven't seen MUCH that makes spiderman's durability THAT much higher than caps, or his speed for that matter... his strength is his trump card, but against logan, it's damn near useless.

Originally posted by tkitna
Its only wishful thinking that somebody could actually admit that Wolverine could lose a fight around here sometime.

I have no problem admitting that wolverine will lose a fight against somebody, I just need to see the evidence first.. I used to think spidey would win in a fight between the two, but then I saw occassion after occassion where he didn't... it made me change my mind.

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

I'm weighing this fight as if Spider-man would not be given his webbing. If Wolverine doesn't get his claws for this fight, it's only fair that Pete's webbing gets taken away as well.

The way I look at it, this would probably be a really good fight. There are many different factors to put into this equation. On one hand, you've got an extremely agile warrior whose reflexes are next to nobody's. He's very quick, and very strong. And on the other hand, you've got an extremely brutal killing machine that when motivated, can beat almost anybody (street level and a little bit over, that is) in a straight up brawling type of a fight. His rage, healing factor, and stamina plays an extremely intricate part in my decision for weighing out this fight.

In a contained area, much like the cage these two would be fighting in, Spider-man's agility and quickness would be very limited in how he would be able to use them to his advantage. He would have to engage Logan in a way that is STRICTLY out of his element when compared to somebody of Wolverine's talents.... he'd have to fight Logan in a brutal h2h encounter. Now, Spider-man's reflexes would certainly keep him in the fight for a relatively long time, but it would only delay the inevitable. Peter is outclassed in fighting skills, stamina, tenacity, durability... and let's not forget about Wolverine's ever-so-popular healing factor. Nothing Spider-man could hit him with would put Logan down for the count, no matter how you look at it. Wolverine's healing factor is that damn uber. He'd be rolling with the punches like nobody's business, and all the while Parker would get more and more worn out for the duration of the match. Logan would stay as fresh as a daisy with his healing factor taking care of the fatigue poisons that would otherwise be wearing him down as well. Spider-man's enhanced durability would prove to be valuable for him, but Wolverine can easily find ways around that. Logan would use swift but effective strikes in key areas that would immoblize Spider-man. A few pressure point strikes later, and it'd be over for old Peter boy. It would be a tough battle for both contenders, but IMO Wolverine would come out on top about 6-7/10.

Of course, my decision would be completely different if they were to be fighting in a wide open area for Spider-man to be able to use his agility, speed, and webbing to keep Logan off of his toes. I just feel like this type of situation is not how Spider-man would want to fight Logan. He'd be restricted, and would be inexorably defeated. This is Logan's type of fight.

Soljer Beware my Power

Very good post, Batdude. Very well said.

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Originally posted by Soljer
Very good post, Batdude. Very well said.

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marvelprince Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm weighing this fight as if Spider-man would not be given his webbing. If Wolverine doesn't get his claws for this fight, it's only fair that Pete's webbing gets taken away as well.
The way I look at it, this would probably be a really good fight. There are many different factors to put into this equation. On one hand, you've got an extremely agile warrior whose reflexes are next to nobody's. He's very quick, and very strong. And on the other hand, you've got an extremely brutal killing machine that when motivated, can beat almost anybody (street level and a little bit over, that is) in a straight up brawling type of a fight. His rage, healing factor, and stamina plays an extremely intricate part in my decision for weighing out this fight.
In a contained area, much like the cage these two would be fighting in, Spider-man's agility and quickness would be very limited in how he would be able to use them to his advantage. He would have to engage Logan in a way that is STRICTLY out of his element when compared to somebody of Wolverine's talents.... he'd have to fight Logan in a brutal h2h encounter. Now, Spider-man's reflexes would certainly keep him in the fight for a relatively long time, but it would only delay the inevitable. Peter is outclassed in fighting skills, stamina, tenacity, durability... and let's not forget about Wolverine's ever-so-popular healing factor. Nothing Spider-man could hit him with would put Logan down for the count, no matter how you look at it. Wolverine's healing factor is that damn uber. He'd be rolling with the punches like nobody's business, and all the while Parker would get more and more worn out for the duration of the match. Logan would stay as fresh as a daisy with his healing factor taking care of the fatigue poisons that would otherwise be wearing him down as well. Spider-man's enhanced durability would prove to be valuable for him, but Wolverine can easily find ways around that. Logan would use swift but effective strikes in key areas that would immoblize Spider-man. A few pressure point strikes later, and it'd be over for old Peter boy. It would be a tough battle for both contenders, but IMO Wolverine would come out on top about 6-7/10.
Of course, my decision would be completely different if they were to be fighting in a wide open area for Spider-man to be able to use his agility, speed, and webbing to keep Logan off of his toes. I just feel like this type of situation is not how Spider-man would want to fight Logan. He'd be restricted, and would be inexorably defeated. This is Logan's type of fight.

Wow. Nice dude

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by marvelprince
Wow. Nice dude

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jinzin Senior Member

good job batdude.

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by jinzin
good job batdude.

I feel special... 😖mart:

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by batdude123
bump

You're just bumping for the ego boost....

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Originally posted by Soljer
You're just bumping for the ego boost....

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redhotrash Senior Member

I personally still disagree. Now dont get me wrong, Im not a Wolverine basher by any means, I just dont see them being on the same level. Spiderman takes blows from Venom, who is I believe a 30 tonner. What could Wolverine realistically put out there to take him out? Granted Spider-man cant sling from building to building, but he can dodge and weave better than most. I mean if Doc Ock cant hit him with 8 arms, how many times will Wolverine connect with 2 stubby little ones? And yeah I agree Wolverine's fighting ability is top notch, but he has been knocked out by people who dont lift in the 10 ton range as Spidey can. Ultimately its a pro-style match anyway, and Im sure whoever was writing this fight would include Peter's ability to cling to things in his pinfall win.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by Soljer
Spiderman wouldn't break his hands or anything, but I don't think Wolverine is just going to let Spidey get a hold of him or put him in any kind of submission. After all, Wolverine has quite the experience and skill advantage over Spiderman. Any good jiu jitsu practitioner will tell you that strength, more often than not, means shit-all when compared to proper technique and experience.
I could see Logan catching Spiderman in a surprise armbar or omo plata a lot more realistically than vice versa.

I must disagree with this. In terms of strength, if they're somewhat equal, then yes, strength means nothing.

However, if a Superman-strength character put Wolverine in a submission hold, Wolverine is not getting out of it. 😬

In this case, Spider-Man might as well be Superman when compared to Wolverine.

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by redhotrash
I personally still disagree. Now dont get me wrong, Im not a Wolverine basher by any means, I just dont see them being on the same level. Spiderman takes blows from Venom, who is I believe a 30 tonner. What could Wolverine realistically put out there to take him out? Granted Spider-man cant sling from building to building, but he can dodge and weave better than most. I mean if Doc Ock cant hit him with 8 arms, how many times will Wolverine connect with 2 stubby little ones? And yeah I agree Wolverine's fighting ability is top notch, but he has been knocked out by people who dont lift in the 10 ton range as Spidey can. Ultimately its a pro-style match anyway, and Im sure whoever was writing this fight would include Peter's ability to cling to things in his pinfall win.

No no no no no....

Wolverine has taken shots from MANY class 80-100 brawlers and kept on going... that's what he does.

Metalmanx Illuminati Founder

Originally posted by Soljer
True, as far as speed goes. But strength means little to the types of fighters in comics.
And, as has been discussed, Spiderman's speed is over-rated on these forums. He's absolutely faster than Wolverine...
But it's not like comparing a grown man to a six year old.
It's more like comparing the winning olympic runner against the losing olympic runner. They're in the same race, one just finishes it first.

...Eh... 😬

Grimm22 King of the Castle

Hmm 😬

Spidey has the obvious advantage in stats here

However Logan is has the HUGE advantage in h2h skills and experience

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by batdude123
No no no no no....
Wolverine has taken shots from MANY class 80-100 brawlers and kept on going... that's what he does.

Cosigned.

Also, getting out of a submission hold is about technique, regardless of strength. Also, there are only so many types of submission holds. Spiderman isn't breaking any bones. Any muscular damage he deals will heal. If he wants to choke Wolverine, he'll have to do it for several hours, at least.

So what's he gonna try? Besides, being that close to Wolverine will give Logan a chance to put a well placed blood clot in Spiderman's leg, akin to Captain America.

I doubt Spiderman will deak with a stroke or a heart attack as well as Logan could deal with a two hour long choke. 😬.

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Eh... 😬

Seriously, MetalMan. You know I'm no fanboy, and I will DEFINITELY conceed that Spiderman is faster, but look at the panels on the page. Wolverine has Spiderman level feats. 😬.

Grimm22 King of the Castle

Brings you back to the whole Cap vs US agent debate 😬

US agent isn't as fast or as strong as Spidey, but its still the same thing, skills vs stats

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by Grimm22
Brings you back to the whole Cap vs US agent debate 😬
US agent isn't as fast or as strong as Spidey, but its still the same thing, skills vs stats

Yes. Except one of Spiderman's largest advantages is more or less nullified by Wolverine's largest advantage - Spider-strength and a healing factor, respectively.

In a fight where Spiderman can use mobility to his most advantage and webbing? He'd absolutely take a majority. In a close-up fight, though? Claws or not?

Tailor-made for Logan.