Actual proof that vader used force deflection In TESB and not the glove

Good point rex, because if his glove had absorbed it, There would be a burn or smoke on his glove, and clearly from what the picture showed us he reflected it and dissipated the other bolts

The glove didnt aborb it, it deflected it. Just like the databank said it could do. 🙄

well to be fair, that cant be entirely true, since "everything short of a lightsaber blow", didn't include Luke's lightsaber in ESB. So its not completely accurate and really, who cares if it was a glove or the force? Do you really think its beyond his abilities?

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
well to be fair, that cant be entirely true, since "everything short of a lightsaber blow", didn't include Luke's lightsaber in ESB. So its not completely accurate and really, who cares if it was a glove or the force? Do you really think its beyond his abilities?

Again if his damm suit is so almighty that his armour can block the bolts, Why in the name if screaming shit did he have to divert to bolts and bother to block it with his hands and his lightsaber if his armour can already block it!

The database states that his armor is made of blaster dampening material and that his gloves can deflect anything short of a ligtsaber. Vader's armor gives him some protection against lightsabers, but not much (the growls of pain he let out in Dark Lord when Shryne got in a hit and in ESB when Luke snuck in a hit are evidence of this).

Also, there's not going to be any smoke from or any hole in Vader's glove because his gloves are metal ("micronized iron"😉.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
The glove didnt aborb it, it deflected it. Just like the databank said it could do. 🙄

Sorry, the databanks is C-canon and GL had the idea of force deflection in the movies as he later featured in the prequels, You fail miserably rampant

And vader despite being a powerful sith lord and a master sith, i doubt he doesnt learn this ability

And rampant, you contradict yourself, you always babble that vader absorbed it with his gloves, now you said his gloves can deflect it.

And everything short of a lightsaber blow? Bol chatack, roan shryne and luke beat his armour with a lightsaber and yet he didnt get cut in half.

Contradictions? Yes and this rules out higher canon > c-canon

Thats how I feel about this whole 'z0mg f0Rce dEflecti0n!!!!!111/' bullsh*t. Also, I dont contradict myself. The databank says his gloves can deflect it so it is logical to assume that did in fact deflect it. But thats enough arguing from me in this thread.

Yes he could, but Lucas had the idea of force deflection as early as TESB and later on in AOTC .

Again wookie did put he used dissipate and deflection but it also may have been due to his gloves.

Now let me elaborate, vader is indeed problably the top 5 strongest sith in history. He is a master of the dark side, and he studies under the strongest sith lord in all of history, Dont you think it is logical that he would learn this techniques? That was the whole reason why wookie put that vader used dissipate and deflection, and further state that his gloves can do it because they too had the ability to block bolts

Just to be sure here- there is absolutely no conclusive evidence that the Force can deflect or absorb blaster fire. The Vader scene is open to interpretation, it occurs at no other point in the Saga, and there has been no clear statement from GL or any relevant source on the matter.

Read the scene as you will.

Um yoda deflected bolts in the JAOW,

And dooku used deflection in Aotc.

And apparantly dissipate happened throughout the movies

And the databanks are C-canon, movies are G-canon, and im using logic to back me up, not denial

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Just to be sure here- there is absolutely no conclusive evidence that the Force can deflect or absorb blaster fire. The Vader scene is open to interpretation, it occurs at no other point in the Saga, and there has been no clear statement from GL or any relevant source on the matter.

Read the scene as you will.

It happens a lot in plenty of C Canon sources.

So do a lot of things, but I believe this was an attempt to say it is undeniably proven by the most primary canon. That is, I am afraid, not so. A case can be made but it is open to debate.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Um yoda deflected bolts in the JAOW,

And dooku used deflection in Aotc.

And apparantly dissipate happened throughout the movies

And the databanks are C-canon, movies are G-canon, and im using logic to back me up, not denial

Your attempt to say that deflecting Force-caused lightning and technology-caused blaster bolts is the same thing is simple assumption and again up for debate.

We know the Force can be used to deflect lighting. We absolutely do NOT know, for sure, it can do the same with blaster bolts.

You said theres no proof the force can block or dissipate bolts, and i proved you wrong with c-canon.

How bout i show you a picture of yoda deflecting a blaster bolt?

Again, as I said, this thread is an attempt to show that primary canon shows it, not C-Canon. After all, the databanks are c-canon and say otherwise.

Meanwhile your pictures prove absolutely nothing. Glove or force, we don't know how one might look different from the other, what the glove can do if it does block bolts, or how the special effcts might be misleading as to the intended effect.

Do you expect the audience to know that it was due to vaders gloves that the bolts bounced of the very first time in appeared in the 1980's?

And the databanks only said his armour can block bolts, if the almighty armour can block bolts why the hell lift up your hand and bother to block it?

Again vader despite being an extremely powerful sith lord and studying under the most powerful sith lord in the galaxy it is highly likely he learnt this technique.

The databanks however did not state he used his gloves to block the bolts

Well, I shall answer those in turn

1. Yes, plenty of people think it was the glove. Plenty others the force. It is an age old debate with no end

2. I believe the databank links you were given clearly state that only the gloves themselves have the ability, not the whole armour. I have no great confidence in the databanks myself because they are created by people making their own interpretations, but here in the EU area they officially have c-canon status, so I understand

3. GL clearly tells us that Vader has lost much of his power. We don't really see him doing that much. But even so, so what? Again, in primary canon, we have no evidence that any force user, even the most powerful of the most powerful, can use the force to deflect blaster bolts

4. No, but they stated he could, and the reason they state that is clearly because of the ESB scene.

sry for double post, Ushgarak, the other reason why i posted the pictures was to prove that vader did not ABSORB the bolts as so many people are fond of speaking of.

In stead the pictures show him reflecting and dissipating.

Well ok, if people are insisting that no shots were reflected then they were wrong, the scene clearly shows otherwise. But that's as far as it goes; it's impossible to tell if it was force or glove that caused it.

Originally posted by Ushgarak

1. Yes, plenty of people think it was the glove. Plenty others the force. it is an age old debate with no end

Originally posted by Ushgarak

3. GL clearly tells us that Vader has lost much of his power. We don't really see him doing that much. But even so, so what? Again, in primary canon, we have no evidence that any force user, even the most powerful of the mosty powerful, can use the force to deflect blaster bolts

Originally posted by Ushgarak

4. No, but they stated he could, and the reason they state that is clearly because of the ESB scene.