Actual proof that vader used force deflection In TESB and not the glove

Originally posted by Nupe Kill Droma
lol Dude, I'm not feeding you words. I'm simply saying that I don't think he can block Force Lightning without a lightsaber because he lacks the one essential element to manipulate Force Lightning: hands. You were talking about suits as protection against radiation, so I figured you meant "suit" in this case... my bad.

Originally posted by Nupe Kill Droma

If Force Lightning works like regular electricity, then an organic being's body continues the circuit that the electricity wants to travel. Without the lightsaber, a la Yoda in EP's 2 and 3, apparently you have to be able to absorb Force Lightning (not block it) to send it back. If Vader were to absorb lightning, it would short circuit his suit, and he would die (as it happened anyway).

Originally posted by Nupe Kill Droma

By no means am I an expert on Force powers, but I'll gladly concede my whole argument on this one if you can give a source that shows that Vader actually blocked Force Lightning while in that suit. I've never heard of "Force Shield" outside of video games... Not saying it doesn't exist elsewhere; just that I haven't seen it anywhere else. I'm not going to pretend to be the most well-read authority, but I have my doubts.

Originally posted by Nupe Kill Droma

I'm not going to bash you anymore for being a Vader fan because I think he's the coolest character in the Star Wars universe. But I think that you're constantly making him out to be invulnerable (or close to it), which he's not. In fact, he's extremely vulnerable, and not by accident!

Originally posted by Nupe Kill Droma

Thanks for getting that quote, though! My bad on the bashing. 😉

I see what you're saying, and I can feel your passion about the subject even through the forum. lol! Still, we are back at "square one" if we look at the blaster deflections. And what is this "layer of the Force" that you keep talking about?

Don't take offense if I'm being skeptical, but being a skeptic keeps me from making absurd generalizations (not that I'm calling your points absurd). I just want to see the proof that the way one keeps from being harmed by lightning and blaster shots is by creating a "layer of the Force" around him- or herself. I'm at a loss as to why Vader didn't create this layer when he was getting his arm lopped off by Luke, or when he was getting blasted with lightning by the Emperor. My guess is that he couldn't. I understand your point on "sacrifice" for the lightning, but that can't apply to the fight with Luke, and I'm doubtful that the Force is manipulated in the manners that you speak (I'm not saying that there's no "Force Shield"😉. Of course, I've been wrong before...

I'm eventually going to get around to reading the Darth Bane novel (I'm starting a Star Wars reading club for my 7th grade students, and we're probably going to start there), so I'll check out what you've been saying.

Originally posted by Nupe Kill Droma
I see what you're saying, and I can feel your passion about the subject even through the forum. lol! Still, we are back at "square one" if we look at the blaster deflections. And what is this "layer of the Force" that you keep talking about?

Originally posted by Nupe Kill Droma

Don't take offense if I'm being skeptical, but being a skeptic keeps me from making absurd generalizations (not that I'm calling your points absurd). I just want to see the proof that the way one keeps from being harmed by lightning and blaster shots is by creating a "layer of the Force" around him- or herself. I'm at a loss as to why Vader didn't create this layer when he was getting his arm lopped off by Luke, or when he was getting blasted with lightning by the Emperor. My guess is that he couldn't. I understand your point on "sacrifice" for the lightning, but that can't apply to the fight with Luke, and I'm doubtful that the Force is manipulated in the manners that you speak (I'm not saying that there's no "Force Shield"😉. Of course, I've been wrong before...

Originally posted by Nupe Kill Droma

I'm eventually going to get around to reading the Darth Bane novel (I'm starting a Star Wars reading club for my 7th grade students, and we're probably going to start there), so I'll check out what you've been saying.

w/e it is i gtg now, ill continue this tomorrow

Kadesh, what you failed to add to the quote is probably why others (and myself) interpret the quote as Darth Vader being incapable of defending against Force lightning. Here is the full quote, from someone who actually owns the source material:

"As a result of having artificial limbs, Darth Vader will never be able to conjure Sith lightning - nor be invulnerable to it." (Episode III Visual Dictionary, pg 63)

Now, while it doesn't obviously doesn't outright state he can't block it, if you were any good at interpreting sentences like the above, you'd know that the sentence is made to imply he cannot block lightning.

If you take the fact that basically everyone is not "invulnerable" to the effects of Force lightning, then they'd ultimately have no reason to state it. However, it says "as a result" (key) of not having living hands, but instead prosthetic ones, he won't be invulnerable to it. Note that it doesn't say "as a result of having a metal body", but limbs (hands, obviously).

So, it can easily be said that the sentence means you need living hands to block Force lightning, which isn't far fetched because you also need them to create it.

As well, we can also take into account another piece of evidence. We know - for fact - that since Vader doesn't have any midichlorians in his hands, they thus won't act as a conduit of the Force. You cannot direct Force lightning without living hands, so why would the lightning barrage go straight for his hands? It wouldn't, since he has artificial hands, and "as a result" of having such he won't be invulnerable - it's safe to assume you also need living hands to block a physical manifestation of energy like Force lightning.

As suprising as it may be, Nupey-boy actually had a valid point and argument.

You see? Again you imply the quote was referring that vader cant use the force to stop lightning, No where it states that, that is why i called you a liar ok?

And the quote was suggesting that he cannot do it, you didn't even put the full quote (probably because you don't own the book).

So, whoever the user you were talking to, he's far from a "liar". And, it's quite ridiculous to call someone a "liar" for expressing their opinions and views. He didn't try to pass it off as fact (like you do), and he wasn't being ignorant about it (because you haven't proved anything; thus many explanations are still viable).

Force dissipation.

Darth Vader hasn't actually shown that he knows this technique. It's a light sided power anyways.

Yoda blocked lightning, did you notice that the lightning didnt actually touch his hand? it was inches away from his hand, thats the layer of the force yoda created to shield himself from the lightning attack

Yoda also has hands that haven't been lopped off, which are a conduit for the Force. Which is the opposite of Vader, as he will never possess living hands again. We know to direct lightning, you cannot have prosthetic limbs. Yoda directed the lightning, in essence, to his hands, seeing as lightning spreads all over the place, it would not go just to the chest area, or where your hands are thrown up at unless you use them to draw it towards said area.

Its not that he couldnt, thats your opinion

As well is everything you've typed thus far about him blocking lightning.

As i said he cannot say "you guess he cant because he couldnt" because he demonstrated this int he EU and POD proves how a force shield works

No, it doesn't. It doesn't prove you can use the Force to block lightning without actual living hands. If it does, quote and page number.

Advent
Retired Debater, yet your still detating 😉

Originally posted by Advent
Kadesh, what you failed to add to the quote is probably why others (and myself) interpret the quote as Darth Vader being incapable of defending against Force lightning. Here is the full quote, from someone who actually owns the source material:

"As a result of having artificial limbs, Darth Vader will never be able to conjure Sith lightning - nor be invulnerable to it." (Episode III Visual Dictionary, pg 63)

Now, while it doesn't obviously doesn't outright state he can't block it, if you were any good at interpreting sentences like the above, you'd know that the sentence is made to imply he cannot block lightning.

If you take the fact that basically everyone is not "invulnerable" to the effects of Force lightning, then they'd ultimately have no reason to state it. However, it says "as a result" (key) of not having living hands, but instead prosthetic ones, he won't be invulnerable to it. Note that it doesn't say "as a result of having a metal body", but limbs (hands, obviously).

So, it can easily be said that the sentence means you need living hands to block Force lightning, which isn't far fetched because you also need them to create it.

As well, we can also take into account another piece of evidence. We know - for fact - that since Vader doesn't have any midichlorians in his hands, they thus won't act as a conduit of the Force. You cannot direct Force lightning without living hands, so why would the lightning barrage go straight for his hands? It wouldn't, since he has artificial hands, and "as a result" of having such he won't be invulnerable - it's safe to assume you also need living hands to block a physical manifestation of energy like Force lightning.

As suprising as it may be, Nupey-boy actually had a valid point and argument.

And the quote was suggesting that he cannot do it, you didn't even put the full quote (probably because you don't own the book).

So, whoever the user you were talking to, he's far from a "liar". And, it's quite ridiculous to call someone a "liar" for expressing their opinions and views. He didn't try to pass it off as fact (like you do), and he wasn't being ignorant about it (because you haven't proved anything; thus many explanations are still viable).

Darth Vader hasn't actually shown that he knows this technique. It's a light sided power anyways.

Yoda also has hands that haven't been lopped off, which are a conduit for the Force. Which is the opposite of Vader, as he will never possess living hands again. We know to direct lightning, you cannot have prosthetic limbs. Yoda directed the lightning, in essence, to his hands, seeing as lightning spreads all over the place, it would not go just to the chest area, or where your hands are thrown up at unless you use them to draw it towards said area.

As well is everything you've typed thus far about him blocking lightning.

No, it doesn't. It doesn't prove you can use the Force to block lightning without actual living hands. If it does, quote and page number.

pure pwnage

Advent, didn't you state previously state, multiple times, when quoting that source, that it stated, "could never conjure, nor repel force lightning."? Just curious if you didn't actually read it and misquoted it or bent it for you needs. 😛 No, but seriously, i was curious if thats what you thought or if you got it from another source.

Originally posted by Advent

No, it doesn't. It doesn't prove you can use the Force to block lightning without actual living hands. If it does, quote and page number.

Vader blocked lightning in the EU? Where, when?

Originally posted by Advent
Kadesh, what you failed to add to the quote is probably why others (and myself) interpret the quote as Darth Vader being incapable of defending against Force lightning. Here is the full quote, from someone who actually owns the source material:

"As a result of having artificial limbs, Darth Vader will never be able to conjure Sith lightning - nor be invulnerable to it." (Episode III Visual Dictionary, pg 63)

Now, while it doesn't obviously doesn't outright state he can't block it, if you were any good at interpreting sentences like the above, you'd know that the sentence is made to imply he cannot block lightning.

If you take the fact that basically everyone is not "invulnerable" to the effects of Force lightning, then they'd ultimately have no reason to state it. However, it says "as a result" (key) of not having living hands, but instead prosthetic ones, he won't be invulnerable to it. Note that it doesn't say "as a result of having a metal body", but limbs (hands, obviously).

So, it can easily be said that the sentence means you need living hands to block Force lightning, which isn't far fetched because you also need them to create it.

As well, we can also take into account another piece of evidence. We know - for fact - that since Vader doesn't have any midichlorians in his hands, they thus won't act as a conduit of the Force. You cannot direct Force lightning without living hands, so why would the lightning barrage go straight for his hands? It wouldn't, since he has artificial hands, and "as a result" of having such he won't be invulnerable - it's safe to assume you also need living hands to block a physical manifestation of energy like Force lightning.

As suprising as it may be, Nupey-boy actually had a valid point and argument.

And the quote was suggesting that he cannot do it, you didn't even put the full quote (probably because you don't own the book).

So, whoever the user you were talking to, he's far from a "liar". And, it's quite ridiculous to call someone a "liar" for expressing their opinions and views. He didn't try to pass it off as fact (like you do), and he wasn't being ignorant about it (because you haven't proved anything; thus many explanations are still viable).

Darth Vader hasn't actually shown that he knows this technique. It's a light sided power anyways.

Yoda also has hands that haven't been lopped off, which are a conduit for the Force. Which is the opposite of Vader, as he will never possess living hands again. We know to direct lightning, you cannot have prosthetic limbs. Yoda directed the lightning, in essence, to his hands, seeing as lightning spreads all over the place, it would not go just to the chest area, or where your hands are thrown up at unless you use them to draw it towards said area.

As well is everything you've typed thus far about him blocking lightning.

No, it doesn't. It doesn't prove you can use the Force to block lightning without actual living hands. If it does, quote and page number.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Vader blocked lightning in the EU? Where, when?

No, i was saying about the force shield vader demonstrated in the EU and POD clearly explains how it works. Dont expect a reply soon

ahhh...i never do. 😛