The sharingan only helped against Naruto when it got another pinwheel on it and that lost its effectiveness once he became one-tail and the chakra came off. Haku was using a lot of chakra and getting slower even before the sharingan came into play which Haku even says. Transformed Gaara had no trouble against Cursed Seal Sasuke using the Sharingan. He was stronger, faster, and the chidori did nothing against him when it hit.
[QUOTE=9935600]Originally posted by Kento
The sharingan only helped against Naruto when it got another pinwheel on it and that lost its effectiveness once he became one-tail and the chakra came off. Haku was using a lot of chakra and getting slower even before the sharingan came into play which Haku even says. Transformed Gaara had no trouble against Cursed Seal Sasuke using the Sharingan. He was stronger, faster, and the chidori did nothing against him when it hit. [/
personally i think naruto couldnt beat garra if he wasnt transformed he wouldnt even be able to touch garra
Haku wasn't dumb down and he only didn't finish that because Haku's mask broke, Kiba is just dumb anyways he wasn't dumb down, Neji he tricked twice in that fight because Neji couldn't tell the difference between his shadow clones how is that being dumb down, Kakuzu possibly, Gaara wasn't dumbed down he just used up all his chakra summoning Shukaku and was transformed so the sand wasn't shielding him but he was more powerful but able to be hit so it was more of a power over defense thing which helped against Sasuke.
kiba: Naruto ****ing farted and some how that determines a match with kiba (dumbed down)
Neji: naruto hit him once he was out for that count plus he was hit with 64 palms (hence my demon chakra point)
Haku: I never said he was dumbed down although both sasuke and naruto could have killed him
Garra: i never said he was dumbed down although it is pretty gay that you cant be touched in your regular form but in demon you can
Sorry about Gaara and Haku because you said all I just thought you meant them also.
As for Kiba..you also forget that Naruto had all of his chakra screwy at the time so Naruto was weaker fighting him also and took all his hits, tricked him a few times, and still koed him with one attack. And Kiba isn't exactly smart anyways.
Neji.. Naruto used Demon Chakra, was able to get up after that attack which surprised everybody to begin with, tricked him with the clone jutsu when kept the clone from attacking so Neji went towards it, and then again when he hit Neji from underground.
Naruto won by trickery and his ability to take a lot of damage and in Kiba's case luck but dumbed down..really.
Originally posted by Kento
Sorry about Gaara and Haku because you said all I just thought you meant them also.As for Kiba..you also forget that Naruto had all of his chakra screwy at the time so Naruto was weaker fighting him also and took all his hits, tricked him a few times, and still koed him with one attack. And Kiba isn't exactly smart anyways.
Neji.. Naruto used Demon Chakra, was able to get up after that attack which surprised everybody to begin with, tricked him with the clone jutsu when kept the clone from attacking so Neji went towards it, and then again when he hit Neji from underground.
Naruto won by trickery and his ability to take a lot of damage and in Kiba's case luck but dumbed down..really.
kiba and him beat but a fart turned the whole fight around come on
neji was only hit once in that battle and weve seen people dodge that punch plenty of times but someone who has 360 degrees of vision and can use kaiten cant dodge it
First Kiba had nothing to put Naruto down at all and it was a plot device luck that beat Kiba not Kiba being dumbed down at all..Kiba hasn't even got a win over anything plus Naruto was weakened during that fight also.
Neji got weakened from the collision of the Kyuubi chakra against Kaiten and let his guard down so he was sucker punched after thinking Naruto was gone so he didn't even try to look under ground since he thought Naruto was koed when it was a clone. He won with a sucker punch sure but it wasn't dumbing down Neji when Naruto has always been the person who fools everybody and had already tricked Neji once along with Kiba before that. The only reason I think that Kakuzu was dumbed down is because he beat the Hokage and yet he was beaten by Naruto who isn't as strong at all though if I remember right he also tricked him the same way by using clones to fool the person but still he wasn't sucker punched or anything and didn't use anything he could have.
Originally posted by Kento
First Kiba had nothing to put Naruto down at all and it was a plot device luck that beat Kiba not Kiba being dumbed down at all..Kiba hasn't even got a win over anything plus Naruto was weakened during that fight also.Neji got weakened from the collision of the Kyuubi chakra against Kaiten and let his guard down so he was sucker punched after thinking Naruto was gone so he didn't even try to look under ground since he thought Naruto was koed when it was a clone. He won with a sucker punch sure but it wasn't dumbing down Neji when Naruto has always been the person who fools everybody and had already tricked Neji once along with Kiba before that. The only reason I think that Kakuzu was dumbed down is because he beat the Hokage and yet he was beaten by Naruto who isn't as strong at all though if I remember right he also tricked him the same way by using clones to fool the person but still he wasn't sucker punched or anything and didn't use anything he could have.
sasuke took the full blow of 1-tail naruto when he got up and punched sasuke that was a sucker punch but yet he got up and the punch was way way stronger
Cursed seal Sasuke > Neji for one, second the only time Sasuke was ever sucker punched he wasn't fully cursed sealed but he also wasn't normal either he was half transformed after getting out of the barrel and Naruto wasn't even demon-foxed when he did it. Any other time Naruto talked before he attacked so Sasuke wasn't sucker punched. Neji had thought he won and let his guard down that never happened to Sasuke.
Originally posted by Kento
Cursed seal Sasuke > Neji for one, second the only time Sasuke was ever sucker punched he wasn't fully cursed sealed but he also wasn't normal either he was half transformed after getting out of the barrel and Naruto wasn't even demon-foxed when he did it. Any other time Naruto talked before he attacked so Sasuke wasn't sucker punched. Neji had thought he won and let his guard down that never happened to Sasuke.
he sucker punched him and sasuke was normal look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuNrx5IpZwc
at 4:30 he did it
doesnt naruto get point for resisting the affects of the kyuubi? or what about not knowing his parents? he did outsmart sasuke the first time when he tried to seduce sakura, also, perseverance. he did protect sasuke too against urochimaru first time out and madly started brawling against the snake after being eaten and bursting through a snake first. also, he caught fish fo sasuke and sakura. and was the one who beat the illusion guys in the forest of death in the chuunin exams. he also beat the hokage and was the originater of the sexy jutsu and harem no jutsu. he also, beat kiba after being very wounded. he also stood upto neiji against hinata and lee. hmm what else, he didnt rent out his friends in the written exams. he cud create upwards of 2000 clones when most cud create a few at most. he mastered kagebunshin which was {then atleats and even now to an extent a kage level technique }, he was able to hold onto the back of gamabunta for a whole day, he was able to take on shukaku with the help of gamabunta and still save sasuke and gara and sakura, he was able to master raasengan by himsefl which only yondaime/jiraya/kakashi has done in the past and is an a level technique, he was able to battle kabuto, he was able to survive sasuke's gyokakyo no jutsu, plus in the end, he was fighting sasuke on nearly equal terms, and only used the kyuubi chakra when sasuke used the curse seal.
in shippuden, he was able to create the great raasengan, able to better strategise, cud counter normal genjutsu, killed a clone of itachi, was able to master his sind element in a few days, even with his unfinished wind element he destroyed a piece of risen mountain which was geographically high ans stretched into the horizon on both sides, created huge craters with his wind raasengan, killed kakuzu with his wind raasenga, added wind element to raasengan which even yondaime and kakashi cudnt do, is the chosen child who will change the world, and the best about him is yet to come....
plus, he has always been a much better characters than sasuke and probably one of the most unique and memorable characters of all time. im sure that list is missing many things but DO NOT DISS NARUTO! he has done a lot. and his own chakra is even stronger than the kyuubi.
Um I don't want to seem like I'm saying something bad but..When has Naruto ever shown he could break out of any illusion..He was taught how sure but he was also taught the clone jutsu in school and couldn't do it. He's never shown he could get out of illusions without some kind of help even if it was Clone Itachi's he needed help with that's really the only illusion he's been in well besiden the Forest of Death but nobody got out of that one willingly until the guys attacked. Also Naruto holding onto Gamabunta wasn't even half as long in the manga as it was in the aime and the Fourth never got the chance to add an element it never said he couldn't just that Kakashi was to weak to but the Fourth was stronger than Kakashi, and His own chakra isn't stronger than Kyuubi's or he wouldn't get so much more stronger than Kakashi by using Kyuubi and would only be like four times as strong when using Kyuubi chakra since he's already got twice as much chakra. Didn't kille Kakuzu though he did make him unable to ever move again I guess but I still find something wrong with that since Kakuzu was doing so well until Naruto came.
But other than that yea I pretty much agree with it though I don't think he's that unique in personality or anything.
it was itachi;s genjutsu, there is a difference.
he held on tilll sunset didnt he? frame or coverage doesnt matter
it is said that even fourth failed{it proved too difficult , were the words used i think in the task of trying to add his own element to it by kakashi and died, not having added it. the whole point of the thing was to show that naruto wud surpass the 4th.
yamato mentions that his own chakra is stronger, he just hasnt developed it yet. that is why he is able to resist the kyuubi to begin with when no normal human possibly can. and kakuzu was doing well because no1 had an attack as devestating and kakshi hadnt used his mangekyo.
Originally posted by leonheartmmI know there is a difference but he's never gotten out of one so there really isn't anything to point out that he could get out of a genjutsu
it was itachi;s genjutsu, there is a difference.
he held on tilll sunset didnt he? frame or coverage doesnt matter
it is said that even fourth failed{it proved too difficult , were the words used i think in the task of trying to add his own element to it by kakashi and died, not having added it. the whole point of the thing was to show that naruto wud surpass the 4th.
yamato mentions that his own chakra is stronger, he just hasnt developed it yet. that is why he is able to resist the kyuubi to begin with when no normal human possibly can. and kakuzu was doing well because no1 had an attack as devestating and kakshi hadnt used his mangekyo.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
^there is evigence to suggest that yamato was talking about naruto's POTENTIAL chakra, and telling him to develop that based on not replying on the kyuubi, and admittedly, the wind raasengan was naruto's own chakra.
when naruto did rasenshuriken he was in kyubbi no tail mode