rasengan vs. chidori (one-thousand birds)

Btu when does it actually show it being telekinesis not to mention it's Itachi just showing Sasuke images. Plus that's not even shown in the manga. The Byakugan can see it but doesn't mean you have to see it to hit it if you know where the vital organs are since they are wrapped around them. Kabuto hits the same thing on Naruto nearly killing him. It probably makes it easier because you don't have to know where everything is but it's possible to do without since it's just releasing chakra into the body.

u can see as i said. itachi doesnt move a muscle. while incoming shuriken and uchihas are blastes away by close proximity force while you can see the gravel forming the shape of a forcefield like sphere on the ground. i dun know what else to call it but telekenesis. or maybe a special protective seali type jutsu. you will also know that theres no reason to assume that the byaakugen will KNOW it either. its an illusion which works beyond the visual as i stated. , and byaakugen can only visually see chakra or through solid objects etc. maybe if the person is smart enough they can figure out that its an illusion but that isnt byaakugen. what kabuto did was simply channel large quantities of chakra in the body. chakra unharnessed is very chaotic and destructive, ofcourse it was going to hurt naruto. but there is a difference in targetting the chakra circulatory system specifically. not as much as tenkutsu, i admit, but there is a difference.

Genjutsu are just illusions. They won't have any chakra. The Byakugan would be able to see they aren't real. But like I said dispelling them or countering them are different than knowing you are in one while I know the Byakugan can't dispell or counter like the Sharingan there is no reason to think they won't know they are caught in one if they are hit with it from secret and they would easily be able to find the real one if a person used clone jutsu.

no, as i said, genjutsu work either on your 5 senses, your chakra curculatory system or your soul. unless its the former and only if its sight, can the byaakugen tell that its an illusion.

That wasn't Itachi at all just Itachi's chakra. That's not showing Itachi can do it at all. Itachi's never even shown to do that when it's actually him. And Hanabi never did anything and who is to say he actually meant Hanabi since Hinata is the one he'd surpasss who is the main branch. All we know about Hanabi is that she's stronger than Hinata but that's only because Hinata's scared to fight while she's actually pretty skilled.

erm, ok. so sumthing itachi's CHAKRA can do alone, itachi CANT do?! lol. if anything itachi can do it much much better. and he wasnt even using mangekyo. and no it wasnt just chakra. pein's cloning jutsu was even able to replicate kekkai genkai like the normal shaaringan. so the only thing uve proved is that itachi can do it much better than the clone. hanabi is hinata's younger sister, her father even before the show of kaiten and divination 64 strikes said that neijji was probably stronger than her too.

Kyuubi's hand has come out a little when first summong Gamabunta though not as much. But Jiraiya also messed with the seal making Naruto able to crossover also. Also Naruto was just about to do what Sasuke did on his own. What does hairstyle matter. Naruto has the same thing said about him when it comes to his father by Kyuubi also. And having the same chakra could amount to being able to summon Kyuubi at the most not being able to control of supress him.

no, only its claws came out and only as much as the bars of its prison allowed. naruto wasnt about to do what sasuke did on his own. he was foulmouthing the kyuubi sure, but the kyuubi was out and in all due probability it might have come out.

also, let me ask you. when artists and mangaka show certain feats, there is a REASON behind them isnt there. what exactly was the MOTIVATION behind showing sasuke coming into naruto's soul and banishing the kyuubi EXACTLY when the kyuubi commented on his chakra being more sisnister than its own and the accursed power of the shaaringan and madara of old??? obviously the connection was to show madar/sasuke/shaaringan's horrifying ability to even be able to supress the kyuubi. that was further reinforced by jiraya saying that only madara was strong enough in the world to summon the kyuubi.

also, the example with madar/sasuke is different. both of them have perhaps the strongest{maybe even more than rinnegan} kekkai genkai ability in the world. minato and naruto have no such thing so the parallel doesnt hold.

Sasuke said that by just looking into his eyes he felt fear. The genjutsu wasn't anything special it was the intent in Sasuke and the only time a genjutsu has been shown superior is when Tsukiyomi is used. Itachi used Kurenai's own genjutsu against her because he can reverse it but it never said it was stronger and Tsukiyomi is really the only genjutsu that's been uber-powerful.

not really. even clone itachi was able to cast non mangekyo genjutsu without naruto looking even when naruto was trying to supress his chakra to dispell the genjutsu. also, sai was shocked as to how easily his constructs were destroyed by the shaaringan's will. also, itachi said that a genjutsu of such a low level{kurenai} cud never hope to succes against him, so it was a quantitaive difference of powrer too.

btw, the other genjutus{nuthing to do with shaaringan though} shown uber is what jiraya just used against pein's 3 bodies. just saying.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
u can see as i said. itachi doesnt move a muscle. while incoming shuriken and uchihas are blastes away by close proximity force while you can see the gravel forming the shape of a forcefield like sphere on the ground. i dun know what else to call it but telekenesis. or maybe a special protective seali type jutsu. you will also know that theres no reason to assume that the byaakugen will KNOW it either. its an illusion which works beyond the visual as i stated. , and byaakugen can only visually see chakra or through solid objects etc. maybe if the person is smart enough they can figure out that its an illusion but that isnt byaakugen. what kabuto did was simply channel large quantities of chakra in the body. chakra unharnessed is very chaotic and destructive, ofcourse it was going to hurt naruto. but there is a difference in targetting the chakra circulatory system specifically. not as much as tenkutsu, i admit, but there is a difference.

no, as i said, genjutsu work either on your 5 senses, your chakra curculatory system or your soul. unless its the former and only if its sight, can the byaakugen tell that its an illusion.

erm, ok. so sumthing itachi's CHAKRA can do alone, itachi CANT do?! lol. if anything itachi can do it much much better. and he wasnt even using mangekyo. and no it wasnt just chakra. pein's cloning jutsu was even able to replicate kekkai genkai like the normal shaaringan. so the only thing uve proved is that itachi can do it much better than the clone. hanabi is hinata's younger sister, her father even before the show of kaiten and divination 64 strikes said that neijji was probably stronger than her too.

no, only its claws came out and only as much as the bars of its prison allowed. naruto wasnt about to do what sasuke did on his own. he was foulmouthing the kyuubi sure, but the kyuubi was out and in all due probability it might have come out.

also, let me ask you. when artists and mangaka show certain feats, there is a REASON behind them isnt there. what exactly was the MOTIVATION behind showing sasuke coming into naruto's soul and banishing the kyuubi EXACTLY when the kyuubi commented on his chakra being more sisnister than its own and the accursed power of the shaaringan and madara of old??? obviously the connection was to show madar/sasuke/shaaringan's horrifying ability to even be able to supress the kyuubi. that was further reinforced by jiraya saying that only madara was strong enough in the world to summon the kyuubi.

also, the example with madar/sasuke is different. both of them have perhaps the strongest{maybe even more than rinnegan} kekkai genkai ability in the world. minato and naruto have no such thing so the parallel doesnt hold.

not really. even clone itachi was able to cast non mangekyo genjutsu without naruto looking even when naruto was trying to supress his chakra to dispell the genjutsu. also, sai was shocked as to how easily his constructs were destroyed by the shaaringan's will. also, itachi said that a genjutsu of such a low level{kurenai} cud never hope to succes against him, so it was a quantitaive difference of powrer too.

btw, the other genjutus{nuthing to do with shaaringan though} shown uber is what jiraya just used against pein's 3 bodies. just saying.

Doesn't Hinata's father only say Neji's stronger than Hanabi in the anime. Though he could be talking about Hanabi when he says he had surpassed a Hyuuga main clan but just as easily talking about Hinata since she is very skilled just not as skilled. Plus Neji's like 6 years older than Hanabi hasn't even done any thing to really push her like the Chunnin Exams or deadly missions.

And Jiraiya also screwed with the seal which allowed Naruto to become four-tails. If Naruto can go in why can't the fox come a bit out of the barrier thats been messed with and was already starting to come undone. And Naruto had his hand just like Sasuke saying I don't want to see you anymore and I don't need you're power then Sasuke showed up before anything else happened. Naruto usually gets the Kyuubi chakra by asking for it and letting it come out or getting really mad. He wasn't mad or anything when Sasuke was around and he wasn't asking for it. If Kyuubi could come out on its own it wouldn't be trying to get Naruto to use its power anyway and would have just taken over.

Being able to summon and having a more accursed chakra mean nothing at all. Sasuke didn't even supress a Kyuubi that was even about to come out nor was it much chakra at all. And I doubt the sharingan has much in the way of summoning Kyuubi it was the amount of chakra Madara had. Sasuke doesn't even have the mangekyou sharingan yet so I doubt he's got the stronger bloodline limit until he learns that. I think his would be stronger than Itachi's since he's got a ambition but he's not strong enough to beat Itachi now which I'm going to have a problem with him doing since he's probably about to. Not that I like Itachi or anything just don't see how Sasuke can win. As for Naruto and the Fouth it's been said that the fourth was the strongest to emerge from the village by Sandaime and I think Jiriaya and there has been references to Naruto surpassing him by Kakashi so there is some relevance in the comparison since Sasuke is exactly like Madara but with Cursed Seal who knows if he'll surpass him or not since Tobi may very well be Madara or Obito or some combination of both.

And Naruto isn't exactly known for his skills at anything. He knows what two jutsus perfectly and a third somewhat. Jiriaya probably didn't go into much depth when teaching him about genjutsu since Jiraiya doesn't have any without going to hermit mode and using the frogs to sing. Itachi hasn't exactly used much in the way of genjutsu besides Tsukiyomi after that either when he fought Kurenai except for using the exact same genjutsu on her that she used. Though what I don't understand is why didn't Jiraiya tell Naruto to just hurt himself to get out of a genjutsu because that works also.

Hmm wasn't really Jiraiya that used that uber-genjutsu. Though I want to know what is so special about the rinnengan and if its so powerful why is it only being used to summon and to let them see through each others eyes.

And like I said it didn't happen in the manga. Not to mention its all black and white so he may have used a jutsu in the anime of some kind like when he knocked away the uchiha running at him. Not that it was in the manga either. Eh I think Byakugan should be able to tell because of the fact there would be no chakra in the genjutsu even if it attacks your senses. Even if you know it's a genjutsu it doesn't really matter either way anyways and I'm not saying they can get out of it except the same way most people do. Except Kabuto specifically attacked the chakra circulatory system when he tried to kill Naruto. To put it into such a good fighting combo the Byakugan may have the upper hand because they can see it visually but you don't need one to do the same thing just to see the chakra points.

my point is EXACTLY that byaakugen can only see chakra. but genjutsu which isnt chakra in itself wont be noticed. also, ur right, but dont forget that even most jounin can only relealse a small amount of chakra from their hands. what kabuto tried to do was use is medical nijutsu chakra against naruto, there is a difference again.

Doesn't Hinata's father only say Neji's stronger than Hanabi in the anime. Though he could be talking about Hanabi when he says he had surpassed a Hyuuga main clan but just as easily talking about Hinata since she is very skilled just not as skilled. Plus Neji's like 6 years older than Hanabi hasn't even done any thing to really push her like the Chunnin Exams or deadly missions.

no, the reason he sent hinata with kurenai was because she was a disgrace who wasnt even on par with hanabi.

And Jiraiya also screwed with the seal which allowed Naruto to become four-tails. If Naruto can go in why can't the fox come a bit out of the barrier thats been messed with and was already starting to come undone. And Naruto had his hand just like Sasuke saying I don't want to see you anymore and I don't need you're power then Sasuke showed up before anything else happened. Naruto usually gets the Kyuubi chakra by asking for it and letting it come out or getting really mad. He wasn't mad or anything when Sasuke was around and he wasn't asking for it. If Kyuubi could come out on its own it wouldn't be trying to get Naruto to use its power anyway and would have just taken over.

doesnt, matter why this or that. fact is it never came out before that time. if u remember correctly, the 1 tails transformation happened when naruto was unconcious. the 4 tails one also happened without naruto asking for it. naruto also grew tails despite trying to stop them when training with his wind chakra. naruto said he didnt need his power but the kyuubi repied right back that he had always needed his power and it was time that he release the seal before trying to move towards naruto and naruto being nervous. that was before the kyuubi saw sasuke and got a cautioned expressions on its face.

Being able to summon and having a more accursed chakra mean nothing at all. Sasuke didn't even supress a Kyuubi that was even about to come out nor was it much chakra at all. And I doubt the sharingan has much in the way of summoning Kyuubi it was the amount of chakra Madara had. Sasuke doesn't even have the mangekyou sharingan yet so I doubt he's got the stronger bloodline limit until he learns that. I think his would be stronger than Itachi's since he's got a ambition but he's not strong enough to beat Itachi now which I'm going to have a problem with him doing since he's probably about to. Not that I like Itachi or anything just don't see how Sasuke can win. As for Naruto and the Fouth it's been said that the fourth was the strongest to emerge from the village by Sandaime and I think Jiriaya and there has been references to Naruto surpassing him by Kakashi so there is some relevance in the comparison since Sasuke is exactly like Madara but with Cursed Seal who knows if he'll surpass him or not since Tobi may very well be Madara or Obito or some combination of both.

yes it means sumthing. as i have explained. that scene was there for a reason. you are missing the most obvious giveaways due to inability to see the big picture as implied by the mangaka. and as i said before. naruto doesnt have any INHERITED power from minato. minato didnt have anythign special in his genes. he was just a hard worker and had a good brain and ideals. madara howevr DID have special powers which seem to be partially posessed by sasuke so there is a huge differnce.

plus even the normal shaaringan is showing more and more affects everyday. so i wudnt say anythin about what sasuke HASNT yet revealed. {personally if the six rings in the rinnegan are the 6 lower paths of the buddhist samsara. than perhaps the three magata in the shaaringan are the 3 upper realms of buddhism like heaven etc. also a final 4th magatama dot might represent nirvana. just saying. }

And Naruto isn't exactly known for his skills at anything. He knows what two jutsus perfectly and a third somewhat. Jiriaya probably didn't go into much depth when teaching him about genjutsu since Jiraiya doesn't have any without going to hermit mode and using the frogs to sing. Itachi hasn't exactly used much in the way of genjutsu besides Tsukiyomi after that either when he fought Kurenai except for using the exact same genjutsu on her that she used. Though what I don't understand is why didn't Jiraiya tell Naruto to just hurt himself to get out of a genjutsu because that works also.

Hmm wasn't really Jiraiya that used that uber-genjutsu. Though I want to know what is so special about the rinnengan and if its so powerful why is it only being used to summon and to let them see through each others eyes.

doesnt matter. its still his power. rinnegan hasnt shown its true power yet. although rebirth etc might be one. and creating clones which can copy even kekai genkai might be another. plus the clones have wierd abilities like even being able to absorb the great raasengan. there is more to it, like having compatibility with all chakra types. plus what nagato did when he lost conciousness as a child and killed the enemy chuunin. also if rikoudo san created the ninjutsu world, theres bound to be sumthing there.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
my point is EXACTLY that byaakugen can only see chakra. but genjutsu which isnt chakra in itself wont be noticed. also, ur right, but dont forget that even most jounin can only relealse a small amount of chakra from their hands. what kabuto tried to do was use is medical nijutsu chakra against naruto, there is a difference again.

no, the reason he sent hinata with kurenai was because she was a disgrace who wasnt even on par with hanabi.

doesnt, matter why this or that. fact is it never came out before that time. if u remember correctly, the 1 tails transformation happened when naruto was unconcious. the 4 tails one also happened without naruto asking for it. naruto also grew tails despite trying to stop them when training with his wind chakra. naruto said he didnt need his power but the kyuubi repied right back that he had always needed his power and it was time that he release the seal before trying to move towards naruto and naruto being nervous. that was before the kyuubi saw sasuke and got a cautioned expressions on its face.

yes it means sumthing. as i have explained. that scene was there for a reason. you are missing the most obvious giveaways due to inability to see the big picture as implied by the mangaka. and as i said before. naruto doesnt have any INHERITED power from minato. minato didnt have anythign special in his genes. he was just a hard worker and had a good brain and ideals. madara howevr DID have special powers which seem to be partially posessed by sasuke so there is a huge differnce.

plus even the normal shaaringan is showing more and more affects everyday. so i wudnt say anythin about what sasuke HASNT yet revealed. {personally if the six rings in the rinnegan are the 6 lower paths of the buddhist samsara. than perhaps the three magata in the shaaringan are the 3 upper realms of buddhism like heaven etc. also a final 4th magatama dot might represent nirvana. just saying. }

jiraya told him that he wasnt a genjutsu type to begin with. but since he wud have to go up against genjutsu users, he shud know how to deal with them. that is when he taught him to seal his chakra circulation to stop the gejutsu. but it didnt work against itachi clone. plus the genjutsu itachi clone used on naruto specifically wasnt tsukiyomi

doesnt matter. its still his power. rinnegan hasnt shown its true power yet. although rebirth etc might be one. and creating clones which can copy even kekai genkai might be another. plus the clones have wierd abilities like even being able to absorb the great raasengan. there is more to it, like having compatibility with all chakra types. plus what nagato did when he lost conciousness as a child and killed the enemy chuunin. also if rikoudo san created the ninjutsu world, theres bound to be sumthing there.

And Kurenai even says that Hinata is very skilled and powerful she just gets very scared when it comes to actually doing something.

Naruto wasn't knocked out when he first went one-tailed. He was even thinking to himself before it happened. The four-tailed happen when he lost control of himself to his anger same with one-tail and any time he starts using Kyuubi chakra. When training with his wind chakra he was also getting angry and loosing control. All those times he was willingly using the Kyuubi chakra first anyways. Kyuubi was trying to get Naruto to let him come out. If he could do it himself than why would he be telling Naruto to let him out. He wants out and if he could do it himself then he wouldn't ask for Naruto to let him out. Naruto wasn't nervous at all and said I don't want to see you anymore and I don't need your power. He had his hand out in the same position Sasuke had his also when Sasuke appeared.

Jiraiya may know how to stop a genjutsu but he didn't have any to use to train Naruto in beside just telling him how it works and showing him how to do it and when Chiyo and Sakura put chakra into Naruto it dispelled..and I know it wasn't Tsukiyomi it was just a normal genjutsu.

It's not really his since the two frogs do it not him. He summons the frogs sure but they do the genjutsu not him. And the rinnengan scares Jiriaya yet he's done nothing really that big to scare Jiraiya while sharingan doesn't scare Jiraiya. Though I'm starting to think it's more of the legend behind the rinnengan now since Pein hasn't done anything with it that should scare him while Itachi has done things that should worry Jiraiya if they fought.

Their fighting style is made to do the chakra from their hands sure but the byakugan isn't really needed to hit the chakra circulatory system is all I'm saying. You're going to hit it anyway if you release chakra into the person. It makes it a whole lot easier yes but it's not needed.

And Kurenai even says that Hinata is very skilled and powerful she just gets very scared when it comes to actually doing something.

still not on par with neiji. she did go all out against neiji in the chuunin preliminaries.

Naruto wasn't knocked out when he first went one-tailed. He was even thinking to himself before it happened. The four-tailed happen when he lost control of himself to his anger same with one-tail and any time he starts using Kyuubi chakra. When training with his wind chakra he was also getting angry and loosing control. All those times he was willingly using the Kyuubi chakra first anyways. Kyuubi was trying to get Naruto to let him come out. If he could do it himself than why would he be telling Naruto to let him out. He wants out and if he could do it himself then he wouldn't ask for Naruto to let him out. Naruto wasn't nervous at all and said I don't want to see you anymore and I don't need your power. He had his hand out in the same position Sasuke had his also when Sasuke appeared.

yes he was. sasuke made him crash land from the height of a mountain on top of hi head on hard granite. the kyuubi said sumthing like "your weak brat. you shud be thankkful to yondaime hokage, and the time when he sealed me. before letting his chakra poar into naruto's unconcious body.
true, the 4 tails happened when he lost control. but you see losing control =/= asking for help. ofcourse the kyuubi cant simply excercise its will but naruto has to struggle to keep its chakra IN as oppose to not having to worry about it and it coming out only when he asks. he was trying his BEST to supress the chakra in his wind training but wasnt succeeding. the kyuubi can come out anytime naruto doesnt have complete self control{i.e. when he saw sasuke} and again, that scense was there for a reason.

Jiraiya may know how to stop a genjutsu but he didn't have any to use to train Naruto in beside just telling him how it works and showing him how to do it and when Chiyo and Sakura put chakra into Naruto it dispelled..and I know it wasn't Tsukiyomi it was just a normal genjutsu.

we dont know if he did or didnt. hes only said that he himself isnt adapt enough at using it to challenge sum1 like pain.

It's not really his since the two frogs do it not him. He summons the frogs sure but they do the genjutsu not him. And the rinnengan scares Jiriaya yet he's done nothing really that big to scare Jiraiya while sharingan doesn't scare Jiraiya. Though I'm starting to think it's more of the legend behind the rinnengan now since Pein hasn't done anything with it that should scare him while Itachi has done things that should worry Jiraiya if they fought.

but he summoned the frogs. its still his attack. just like the wind strom which destroyed the forest is temari's power even when its her summon doing it. the mangekyo shaaringan shocked jiraya as itahci used amaterasu to get out of his frog stomach prison. also, the fact that different people can have the rinnegan and none of them can die is scary to jiraya.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
true. but remember, that kabuto channeled his "medical" jutsu shackra into naruto, there is a difference.

still not on par with neiji. she did go all out against neiji in the chuunin preliminaries.

yes he was. sasuke made him crash land from the height of a mountain on top of hi head on hard granite. the kyuubi said sumthing like "your weak brat. you shud be thankkful to yondaime hokage, and the time when he sealed me. before letting his chakra poar into naruto's unconcious body.
true, the 4 tails happened when he lost control. but you see losing control =/= asking for help. ofcourse the kyuubi cant simply excercise its will but naruto has to struggle to keep its chakra IN as oppose to not having to worry about it and it coming out only when he asks. he was trying his BEST to supress the chakra in his wind training but wasnt succeeding. the kyuubi can come out anytime naruto doesnt have complete self control{i.e. when he saw sasuke} and again, that scense was there for a reason.

we dont know if he did or didnt. hes only said that he himself isnt adapt enough at using it to challenge sum1 like pain.

but he summoned the frogs. its still his attack. just like the wind strom which destroyed the forest is temari's power even when its her summon doing it. the mangekyo shaaringan shocked jiraya as itahci used amaterasu to get out of his frog stomach prison. also, the fact that different people can have the rinnegan and none of them can die is scary to jiraya.

She was doing fine except he hit all her chakra points. Not that Hinata's father saw that battle anyways or knew Neji had the ability to use that technique until the Naruto fight.

No when the one-tail came out Sasuke kicked Naruto in the chin and was holding Naruto's leg as he went under water and Naruto was saying I can't move then Kyuubi came about. Naruto wasn't koed at all. No Naruto uses the Kyuubi chakra willingly before he goes the tails nearly all the time so the Kyuubi chakra is almost always out already before he uses the tails. They come out when he is angered or looses control after he already uses Kyuubi chakra. Naruto had self-control when he met Sasuke again. He had just been knocked down and wasn't even using Kyuubi's chakra but Kyuubi was trying to get let out again. Naruto even had his hand up the same exact way Sasuke did before he supressed it and Naruto was talking telling him he didn't want his power anymore or to see his face. As for the wind training that's really the only time he changed when not using the kyuubi chakra first but all the clones were busy concentrating on something else and getting angry because it wasn't working.

He even said he's unable to use genjutsu which is why Pein wasn't ready for genjutsu to be used against him. Jiriaya probably taught him what to do but I highly doubt it was against an actual genjutsu which isn't the same.

That's like saying Gamabunta and Jiraiya's fire attack is just Jiraiya's attack. And Temari's weasel did the wind attack not her she just summoned it. If you needed to summon something to do it for you then it's not you're attack. Amaterasu shocked because he thought the stomach was unable to be destroyed much less by fire but Jiraiya has been worried about the rinnengan since he first laid eyes on Pein while he still doesn't seem worried about the sharingan. Though I guess to be fair Jiraiya has been worried about Pein before ever meeting him because he beat Hanzou.

Yea I know Kabuto used something different but it sorta did the same thing. Plus somebody can learn that fighting style that doesn't have byakugan and still hit the chakra circulatory system just they won't be able to see it so it would be harder probably but no impossible.

your forgetting one major thing. that chakra doesnt target the chakra curculatory system, it targets living tissue that is why it is a medical ninjutsu as kabuto often uses it to create scalpels n stuff for surgery and cellular regenration. {btw HOW offtopic are we 😆 }

She was doing fine except he hit all her chakra points. Not that Hinata's father saw that battle anyways or knew Neji had the ability to use that technique until the Naruto fight.

No when the one-tail came out Sasuke kicked Naruto in the chin and was holding Naruto's leg as he went under water and Naruto was saying I can't move then Kyuubi came about. Naruto wasn't koed at all. No Naruto uses the Kyuubi chakra willingly before he goes the tails nearly all the time so the Kyuubi chakra is almost always out already before he uses the tails. They come out when he is angered or looses control after he already uses Kyuubi chakra. Naruto had self-control when he met Sasuke again. He had just been knocked down and wasn't even using Kyuubi's chakra but Kyuubi was trying to get let out again. Naruto even had his hand up the same exact way Sasuke did before he supressed it and Naruto was talking telling him he didn't want his power anymore or to see his face. As for the wind training that's really the only time he changed when not using the kyuubi chakra first but all the clones were busy concentrating on something else and getting angry because it wasn't working.

huh, the way i remember it , he made him fall from the hight and naruto bashed his head against the granit breaking the granit e in the process, then he fell unconcious in the water and then the kyuubi gave him his chakra. fact is he didnt ASK for it. and the wind trainning DOES show how my argument holds u accept that.

He even said he's unable to use genjutsu which is why Pein wasn't ready for genjutsu to be used against him. Jiriaya probably taught him what to do but I highly doubt it was against an actual genjutsu which isn't the same.

no he just said hed never really been good with genjutsu. we cant comment on things we dont know abotu anyhow.

That's like saying Gamabunta and Jiraiya's fire attack is just Jiraiya's attack. And Temari's weasel did the wind attack not her she just summoned it. If you needed to summon something to do it for you then it's not you're attack. Amaterasu shocked because he thought the stomach was unable to be destroyed much less by fire but Jiraiya has been worried about the rinnengan since he first laid eyes on Pein while he still doesn't seem worried about the sharingan. Though I guess to be fair Jiraiya has been worried about Pein before ever meeting him because he beat Hanzou.

true, it is just another power. summoning is a skill. also, why WUDNT jiraya be worried about pain, the most superior doujutsu which can bring salvation to the world or end it. hell i sure wud. although the way they are going about showing its power is very uncool. id rather have preferred what the fake spoiler showed it to be. the power of the 8 paths, the world of genjutsu/world of summon beatss etc etc.

Rasengan over Chidori anyday. Yea i admit chidori looks pretty cooler than rasengan, but overall The Rasengan will OWN Chidori anyday of the week ahaha

NO ONE ASKED YOU FOO'!

Originally posted by leonheartmm
your forgetting one major thing. that chakra doesnt target the chakra curculatory system, it targets living tissue that is why it is a medical ninjutsu as kabuto often uses it to create scalpels n stuff for surgery and cellular regenration. {btw HOW offtopic are we 😆 }

not really, neiji was playing with her, she didnt even know her tenkutsu had been hit until he showed her.

huh, the way i remember it , he made him fall from the hight and naruto bashed his head against the granit breaking the granit e in the process, then he fell unconcious in the water and then the kyuubi gave him his chakra. fact is he didnt ASK for it. and the wind trainning DOES show how my argument holds u accept that.

no he just said hed never really been good with genjutsu. we cant comment on things we dont know abotu anyhow.

true, it is just another power. summoning is a skill. also, why WUDNT jiraya be worried about pain, the most superior doujutsu which can bring salvation to the world or end it. hell i sure wud. although the way they are going about showing its power is very uncool. id rather have preferred what the fake spoiler showed it to be. the power of the 8 paths, the world of genjutsu/world of summon beatss etc etc.

And still who even thinks Hinata's father knows she was hurt at all. He probably didn't even know she was in the chunnin exams since he doesn't care anything about her. I'm also sure that he would imagine Neji being from the branch family that he'd be weaker than Hinata simply because where he's from.

Maybe in the anime but in the manga they are standing on top of water and Sasuke goes down and kicks upward hitting Naruto in the chin making Naruto fall back headfirst into the water and then Naruto says he can't get up because Sasuke has him and Sasuke is holding his foot. Then Kyuubi comes out. And yea I admit that Kyuubi can come out on its own if Naruto has lost control but Naruto hadn't lost control yet nor was he even using Kyuubi chakra. He hadn't even started to fight before getting shocked by Sasuke.

Even if Jiraiya can do like a low level genjutsu it's not the same as trying to dispell a high level. Plus Naruto never said he got it down just that he learned how. Though on the subject of genjutsu...When was Sakura ever a genjutsu type? Kakashi said that she was but you never see her ever do anything like that at all even in her few fights before shippuden.

Well Jiraiya didn't know anything about Pein at first...course he wasn't worried at first until he found out about Hanzou being beaten. It's just that the Rinnengan hasn't shown anything that somebody more powerful couldn't beat. Jiraiya is weaker than Pein, though I admit more skilled, and he still seems to be doing okay before loosing an arm which was a sneak attack anyway.

Rasengan hands down. Sasuke sucks, Naruto owns. Blax go suck something my nigga. haha

Originally posted by GEEKiN
Rasengan hands down. Sasuke sucks, Naruto owns. Blax go suck something my nigga. haha

you didnt have to use that word im black and i take that shit offensively

I'm black too and I sue ti all the time 😬

anyway back to the fact: naruto is weaker than sasuke at the moment

taijutsu😖asuke
ninjutsu😖asuke
genjutsu😖asuke

he beats him in the 3 units of ninja period

Originally posted by yungz22
anyway back to the fact: naruto is weaker than sasuke at the moment

taijutsu😖asuke
ninjutsu😖asuke
genjutsu😖asuke

he beats him in the 3 units of ninja period

the 9 tailed fox is the great equalizer, 4/5 tails makes him sannin level

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the 9 tailed fox is the great equalizer, 4/5 tails makes him sannin level

yes but sasuke can also surpress that chakra

Originally posted by yungz22
yes but sasuke can also surpress that chakra

Originally posted by yungz22
anyway back to the fact: naruto is weaker than sasuke at the moment

taijutsu😖asuke
ninjutsu😖asuke
genjutsu😖asuke

he beats him in the 3 units of ninja period

Originally posted by Kento
Here we go again.. Genjutsu yes, and maybe even ninjutsu since Sasuke has more and has the sharingan to copy them but Taijutsu he isn't higher in. Naruto also has the stamina, chakra, and healing power to fight a lot longer than Sasuke does.

how is naruto's taijutsu better than sasukes havent you seen sasuke's speed plus the sharingan helps even a whole lot more

I didn't say Naruto was better. I just said Sasuke isn't higher in Taijutsu. He's not more skilled in h2h than Naruto and his speed isn't better than Naruto who is using Kyuubi Chakra. And the Sharingan hasn't really helped him win a battle at all. Haku, and Gaara beat him even with his sharingan, Naruto was kicking his butt even with the Sharingan seeing his movements because of the chakra coming after him, and Deidara was able to block the genjutsu from the sharingan and the sharingan didn't help at all in that fight except to see the bombs that were to small for any normal eye to see. Didn't help at all against Orochimaru the first time and the only thing it was good for was to keep Orochimaru from taking over his soul. And it didn't help against Itachi when he got his butt kicked when Sasuke went to find Jiraiya and Naruto. It also didn't help against the Sound Four. So don't act like the Sharingan is unbeatable. Naruto may lack the brains and the jutsus but he has the skill, stamina, and ability to take a lot more damage to keep up with Sasuke.

actually only time sasuke was getting beat by naruto when he had the sharingan is when he went 1 tail. haku didnt give sasuke a chance to even use the sharingan because naruto wasthere so he made a trap for sasuke. haku even said himself if he let it go on any longer he would have lost because sasuke was getting better every move.

actually at first it did work against garra before garra used his bijuu power. and the chidori was the only move that would work on him sasuke just didnt have much chakra left