Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Whatever religion you may be, whether it be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.How do you honestly expect someone to beleive the same things you beleive when you have [b]no proof
of your convictions to supply them with ?Now, I notice that it tends to be Christians and Muslims who do this more so than anyone else.....claiming that we will end up in Hell for not beleiving your beleifs....
Even if you are sincere, and even if you truly beleive you are trying to save us, how do you expect us to beleive your religion when you cannot prove the validity of it ?
You really want us non-beleivers and people of other Faiths to just DROP EVERYTHING WE CURRENTLY BELEIVE, ignore everything we learned for ourselves, ignore our own impulses, knowledge, etc. and just switch to your beleif system ?
Do you anticipate any struggle ?
Do you plan to harass us until we beleive ?
I don't get it....how do you plan to convince us that we are wrong, and you are right ?
Be a bit Realistic...
You can preach to us to death, but if you cannot supply proof for your beleifs, then how do you truly expect the rest of us to just follow ? [/B]
And again with the generalisation.
I don't expect you to believe anything, paticulary since Buddhism is a about understanding.
The pagan side of me says that I would not want people like you joining my religion, anyway.
Your hateret of religion is immense - if you believed a religion, I could see you with immense hateret of all other religion who are not your own.
You would be a stain on my religion.
Re: How do you Expect others to beleive ?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Whatever religion you may be, whether it be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.How do you honestly expect someone to beleive the same things you beleive when you have [b]no proof
of your convictions to supply them with ?Now, I notice that it tends to be Christians and Muslims who do this more so than anyone else.....claiming that we will end up in Hell for not beleiving your beleifs....
Even if you are sincere, and even if you truly beleive you are trying to save us, how do you expect us to beleive your religion when you cannot prove the validity of it ?
You really want us non-beleivers and people of other Faiths to just DROP EVERYTHING WE CURRENTLY BELEIVE, ignore everything we learned for ourselves, ignore our own impulses, knowledge, etc. and just switch to your beleif system ?
Do you anticipate any struggle ?
Do you plan to harass us until we beleive ?
I don't get it....how do you plan to convince us that we are wrong, and you are right ?
Be a bit Realistic...
You can preach to us to death, but if you cannot supply proof for your beleifs, then how do you truly expect the rest of us to just follow ? [/B]
Well I can see the gods.....but you will probably tell me im hallucianting because you dont have the ability to see spirits and gods as well.
Originally posted by Bardock42
And you are sure it might not be hallucinating?
How do you know im not a hallucination?
Originally posted by Bardock42
And you think you are one of the people that reached it the furthest?
Nope but im hoping this year to beome an adept, as far as I know thats one of the highest levels above that is master.
Originally posted by Alfheim
How do you know im not a hallucination?Nope but im hoping this year to beome an adept, as far as I know thats one of the highest levels above that is master.
I am not, I wouldn't claim that. You might very well be right. I am just wondering if you consider the possibility that meditating puts you in a hallucinating state?
They have ranks?
Originally posted by Bardock42
I am not, I wouldn't claim that. You might very well be right. I am just wondering if you consider the possibility that meditating puts you in a hallucinating state?
To be quite honest..... of course. The thing about life is this you cant be 100 percent sure of anything, so far I have enough proof that gods exist. When I reach a certain level then hopefully I will find even more proof.
Originally posted by Bardock42
They have ranks?
Yeah, but these are the ranks that I have got from books about Western Magick.
Originally posted by Alfheim
To be quite honest..... of course. The thing about life is this you cant be 100 percent sure of anything, so far I have enough proof that gods exist. When I reach a certain level then hopefully I will find even more proof.Yeah, but these are the ranks that I have got from books about Western Magick.
Well, good. I hope you also understand that I am not certain of it. More even I doubt it. I did not encounter any proof of that myself.
But I hope you are right. Cause if the Christians are right, my afterlife will suck severe balls. Actually more so, I will. Satan's.
Originally posted by Bardock42
But I hope you are right. Cause if the Christians are right, my afterlife will suck severe balls. Actually more so, I will. Satan's.
No they are not right. This religon business can be quite complicated, but to be quite honest one thing I am finding out is that this Shamnic saying seems to be true "Reality is what you think it is."
If you belive when you die you will see Mickey Mouse you will see Mickey Mouse, if you belive when you die you wil see Zeus you will see Zeus. This is why eventhough Jesus never died for our sins, that Christians see "miracles", becuase they belive thats what happened.
Eventhough I belive that I will go to Alfheim when I die, I dont neccesarily think that this is because this is what I think. I belive that there are beings that exist independently of my that have called me to this path. So I dont always belive that a persons belief is just his own doing I think its a combination of the individual and of spirits and gods....hope that made sense.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
And again with the generalisation.
What fkn generalization ? 🤨
Most people here on KMC are trying to enforce thier beleifs upon others....
All I ask is how do you expect us to beleive what you beleive without proof ?
That is all....if you dont expect anything, then don't post.....this isn't addressed towards you
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I don't expect you to believe anything, paticulary since Buddhism is a about understanding..
I was actually addressing Christianity and Islam more so than any thing else, but Atheism as well can be enforced, and I wondor how Atheists expect Theists to just drop thier entire beleifs as well.....
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The pagan side of me says that I would not want people like you joining my religion, anyway..
"not want people like you"
Hypocrite much ? 😬
Mad at me for making generalizations, when you do it yourself ?
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Your hateret of religion is immense - if you believed a religion, I could see you with immense hateret of all other religion who are not your own..
Hatred of religion ? Is that what you call it ? 🙄
I hate the negativity and hypocrisy that comes out of Christianity and Islam. That's all.
I already explained this to Nellinator. I care not for your baseless perception of me.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You would be a stain on my religion.
Your religion seems like sh*t to me ne way.....hypocrisy and judgement must be a MAJOR major aspect of your Faith Lil B
You are a hypocite extraordinaire !
You BASH Islam like there is NO TOMORROW...with such passionate hatred and disgust, you even made Alliance, who has a low tolerance of religion to begin with, feel bad for Islam....
And then you have the nerve to critisize and judge me for my poking fun at Christianity ?
👇
Originally posted by Lord UrizenThey expect us to have faith in them, like we expect proof and validity. They run on religion, we run on Science, they are too different, we don't understand religion, they don't understand science.
Whatever religion you may be, whether it be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.How do you honestly expect someone to beleive the same things you beleive when you have [b]no proof
of your convictions to supply them with ?Now, I notice that it tends to be Christians and Muslims who do this more so than anyone else.....claiming that we will end up in Hell for not beleiving your beleifs....
Even if you are sincere, and even if you truly beleive you are trying to save us, how do you expect us to beleive your religion when you cannot prove the validity of it ?
You really want us non-beleivers and people of other Faiths to just DROP EVERYTHING WE CURRENTLY BELEIVE, ignore everything we learned for ourselves, ignore our own impulses, knowledge, etc. and just switch to your beleif system ?
Do you anticipate any struggle ?
Do you plan to harass us until we beleive ?
I don't get it....how do you plan to convince us that we are wrong, and you are right ?
Be a bit Realistic...
You can preach to us to death, but if you cannot supply proof for your beleifs, then how do you truly expect the rest of us to just follow ? [/B]
Originally posted by lord xyz
They expect us to have faith in them, like we expect proof and validity.
I don't expect proof and validity....I don't imagine they can supply me with any.
But I am asking why would they be so judgemental as to dismiss our own beleifs or rejection of thier faith as "foolish", when they cannot supply us with some kind of proof or re assurance at least ?
I imagine that strong minded Theists beleive that we see what they see, but intentionally deny it, due to our "sinful natures"
Either that, or they must think you and I are SO BLIND that we could never see what they see.....
Originally posted by lord xyz
They run on religion, we run on Science, they are too different, we don't understand religion, they don't understand science.
Do you seriously beleive it is that black and white ?
Many scientists happen to be religious, and many religious people value science just as much as thier own religion.
Many Atheists ALSO understand religion VERY WELL, myself being included...
Originally posted by lord xyz
I'm thinking this is obvious and you're dumb, but I would've asked the same question, it's just hearing it from you makes me realise the answer better than if I ask it to someone else.
Really ?
I think you're pretty stupid for automatically assuming that religious people don't get science, while scientific people don't get religion.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
What fkn generalization ? 🤨Most people here on KMC are trying to enforce thier beleifs upon others....
All I ask is how do you expect us to beleive what you beleive without proof ?
That is all....if you dont expect anything, then don't post.....this isn't addressed towards you
I was actually addressing Christianity and Islam more so than any thing else, but Atheism as well can be enforced, and I wondor how Atheists expect Theists to just drop thier entire beleifs as well.....
"not want people like you"
[b]Hypocrite much ?
😬Mad at me for making generalizations, when you do it yourself ?
Hatred of religion ? Is that what you call it ? 🙄
I hate the negativity and hypocrisy that comes out of Christianity and Islam. That's all.
I already explained this to Nellinator. I care not for your baseless perception of me.
Your religion seems like sh*t to me ne way.....hypocrisy and judgement must be a MAJOR major aspect of your Faith Lil B
You are a hypocite extraordinaire !
You BASH Islam like there is NO TOMORROW...with such passionate hatred and disgust, you even made Alliance, who has a low tolerance of religion to begin with, feel bad for Islam....
And then you have the nerve to critisize and judge me for my poking fun at Christianity ?
👇 [/B]
See this is a diffeance between you and me.
I have NEVER made a thread bashing Muslims, ridiculing Muslims of Islam. I take Islam very seriously, because of its political structire and its imperialsim.
Islam is an political ideology. I know this because I bothered reseaching.
The fact Muslims belive in Allah is irrelevant. The fact that they believe sun sets in a muddy pond, is irrelevant. I will NEVER EVER attack this or ridicule it, because that is the religious and cultural belief. And if it wasn't a violent ideology, advocating murder of infidels, non-muslims, opression of women, and its founder was not the way he was, I franly would not care.
DO NOT ever imply that my approach to Islam correlates to your approach to Christianity in any way, because frankly, that is extreamly offencive to me.