Originally posted by FeceMan
As opposed to doing what?
As opposed to actually bullying people into beleiving what you beleive ? Or constantly repeating the same thing over and over , hoping they will eventually submit ?
How do you plan to convince anyone you are right ?
In fact, name ONE person you have successfully converted....
Originally posted by Marxman
I've found that its a practice for some Christians to find those that have no hope, who are down on their luck and seem to be lost, and introduce the idea of Christ and that their suffering will be rewarded in heaven."Just trust in God and us and all will be well. Now please donate to the Church."
Thats really the one major thing that I find creepy about Christianity.
Sure I disagree with many of their beliefs but the manipulation is what really scares me.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thats really the one major thing that I find creepy about Christianity.Sure I disagree with many of their beliefs but the manipulation is what really scares me.
Yea, I was in the hospital this past summer, all I heard was "God loves you, here's a pamphlet." And lo and behold, at the end of the pamphlet was a way to donate money, if I so felt the urge.
Although to be fair, at one point I was sharing my room with a pastor and he was pretty fking cool as far as clergy go. He didn't once ask me if I was saved or any of that mumbo jumbo, and he was cool about my opinion on his god.
Originally posted by Marxman
Yea, I was in the hospital this past summer, all I heard was "God loves you, here's a pamphlet." And lo and behold, at the end of the pamphlet was a way to donate money, if I so felt the urge.Although to be fair, at one point I was sharing my room with a pastor and he was pretty fking cool as far as clergy go. He didn't once ask me if I was saved or any of that mumbo jumbo, and he was cool about my opinion on his god.
That diochotomy is why I stay on these forums.
There is good and bad in everything.
The very devout reverend at my church is a great smart guy and so is my very athiest Grandfather.
Then again there are people who kill in the name of God and people who use progress to rationalize horrible actions.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
As opposed to actually bullying people into beleiving what you beleive ? Or constantly repeating the same thing over and over , hoping they will eventually submit ?How do you plan to convince anyone you are right ?
In fact, name ONE person you have successfully converted....
And one person is better than no persons. I expect them to believe based on faith.
good topic!!!
Lord Urizen 🙂 how are you ?? i hope you are well .
your questions is Valid and in its place . Because I do so. because I really invite others to Islam. Although I am quite sure that Islam is a religion of the right . and i Tell them about all what I can say aboutthe truth of isalm . But it is very important that you have the evidence and proof on what it says . and from here the inviting to islam becomes difficult to call somebody to believe but without any strong proof.
But wait, i want to say something to you . Do you not believe in God, never? or what ? just as samll question . because I will come back for discussion again . 😉
Listen to me, my brother . Everything I know that when allah created us .. i meam all people whatever muslims or Christians or Jews ....act)
god Create within each and every one of us the Faith in the existence to him ( God ). but after you born .. Certainly you will follow the sect and faith of your Parents . that mean if your parents are Christian you will be Christian .. And the same with other religions . but be sure inside you there is something call ( Hidayat about The existence of God ) .
hear me, Venerable Brother . Concerning ,when Muslims call others to Islam .. i mean as a muslim when i call somebody to islam just i tell them about what for example islam call to .. What are the provisions of Islam? What are the dealings of Islam? The reason why Islam? If the human , believed in God first . It would be easy to believe about
Prophets .and so on ....
also Islam relies on the mind does not depend on coercion . that mean Can people believe about existence of God if they Think carefully . who created you Lord Urizen? who gave the Spirit to you to live ? Look at the sky. How it did not fall over our heads? Although there is no anything can hold it . Everything around you and what people call it nature . just god created it no one else. The universe is the biggest proof for non beliver .. And God created for us brains to think and discuss until we find the right thing and also god knew before that the humans want many proofs to believe in that so he put all proofs around us . just think and ask and search until you find to truth .
yes I call Others to Islam, and I am so proud about that .. because truly i know that is true .. and my big proof for them is the Universe agian. Some of them think and believe with days but other need stronger proof . and maybe allah will show them this proof .
that is for now . 🙂 and i will came again to tell you fact story about that . about man who believed in god ,,Although he was great atheist.
An important note.
When the Muslims calling the other to Islam .. Of course they know it is not easy to change the believe .. But there is something call the great faith and confidence in God .. that mean If God wanted from you to follow islam he will do that because he is capable for every thing. And of course God has large mercy . he forgive you, if you believed in him and for that there is some thing call paradise for people who believe in one god . i wont you to be angry or something but If you sincerely wanted to know the right . god will help you be sure .
with all Respect for everyone 🙂
best
silver heart
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
See this is a diffeance between you and me.I have NEVER made a thread bashing Muslims, ridiculing Muslims of Islam. I take Islam very seriously, because of its political structire and its imperialsim.
Islam is an political ideology. I know this because I bothered reseaching.The fact Muslims belive in Allah is irrelevant. The fact that they believe sun sets in a muddy pond, is irrelevant. I will NEVER EVER attack this or ridicule it, because that is the religious and cultural belief. And if it wasn't a violent ideology, advocating murder of infidels, non-muslims, opression of women, and its founder was not the way he was, I franly would not care.
DO NOT ever imply that my approach to Islam correlates to your approach to Christianity in any way, because frankly, that is extreamly offencive to me.
Well you did once put up a song about islam, but in all fairness I think you were really really really pissed of, and its not something you would normaly do. I would not compare you to urzien at all because you have done alot of research.
Re: good topic!!!
Originally posted by silver heartLord Urizen 🙂 how are you ?? i hope you are well .
your questions is Valid and in its place . Because I do so. because I really invite others to Islam. Although I am quite sure that Islam is a religion of the right . and i Tell them about all what I can say aboutthe truth of isalm . But it is very important that you have the evidence and proof on what it says . and from here the inviting to islam becomes difficult to call somebody to believe but without any strong proof.
But wait, i want to say something to you . Do you not believe in God, never? or what ? just as samll question . because I will come back for discussion again . 😉
Listen to me, my brother . Everything I know that when allah created us .. i meam all people whatever muslims or Christians or Jews ....act)
god Create within each and every one of us the Faith in the existence to him ( God ). but after you born .. Certainly you will follow the sect and faith of your Parents . that mean if your parents are Christian you will be Christian .. And the same with other religions . but be sure inside you there is something call ( Hidayat about The existence of God ) .hear me, Venerable Brother . Concerning ,when Muslims call others to Islam .. i mean as a muslim when i call somebody to islam just i tell them about what for example islam call to .. What are the provisions of Islam? What are the dealings of Islam? The reason why Islam? If the human , believed in God first . It would be easy to believe about
Prophets .and so on ....also Islam relies on the mind does not depend on coercion . that mean Can people believe about existence of God if they Think carefully . who created you Lord Urizen? who gave the Spirit to you to live ? Look at the sky. How it did not fall over our heads? Although there is no anything can hold it . Everything around you and what people call it nature . just god created it no one else. The universe is the biggest proof for non beliver .. And God created for us brains to think and discuss until we find the right thing and also god knew before that the humans want many proofs to believe in that so he put all proofs around us . just think and ask and search until you find to truth .
yes I call Others to Islam, and I am so proud about that .. because truly i know that is true .. and my big proof for them is the Universe agian. Some of them think and believe with days but other need stronger proof . and maybe allah will show them this proof .
that is for now . 🙂 and i will came again to tell you fact story about that . about man who believed in god ,,Although he was great atheist.
An important note.
When the Muslims calling the other to Islam .. Of course they know it is not easy to change the believe .. But there is something call the great faith and confidence in God .. that mean If God wanted from you to follow islam he will do that because he is capable for every thing. And of course God has large mercy . he forgive you, if you believed in him and for that there is some thing call paradise for people who believe in one god . i wont you to be angry or something but If you sincerely wanted to know the right . god will help you be sure .
with all Respect for everyone 🙂
best
silver heart
That was very insightful, but to bad your a sock of Fatima 🙁
I really wanted to respond to you, because I thought this was a great post. You're pretty much reasonable in your assertion that there is "evidense" of God, or at least of a creator ALL around us.....yes, that is true, but that is all circumstancial evidense.
I can easily use the sky, the spirit, nature as evidense of Hinduism, or as evidense of Greek Mythology, or as evidense of my own religion.
What makes you so certain that this evidense only supports the existance of your God and the validity your Faith ?
An Atheist Scientist can easily rationalize the existance of such wondors as well as you can.
Re: Re: good topic!!!
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That was very insightful, but to bad your a sock of Fatima 🙁I really wanted to respond to you, because I thought this was a great post. You're pretty much reasonable in your assertion that there is "evidense" of God, or at least of a creator [b]ALL around us
.....yes, that is true, but that is all circumstancial evidense.I can easily use the sky, the spirit, nature as evidense of Hinduism, or as evidense of Greek Mythology, or as evidense of my own religion.
What makes you so certain that this evidense only supports the existance of your God and the validity your Faith ?
An Atheist Scientist can easily rationalize the existance of such wondors as well as you can. [/B]
silver heart is my freind i invit her to the forum ..we r in the same city ...lil thought its my sock 😠 ..why she didnt check IP adress again and see if its same number ...insane
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
See this is a diffeance between you and me.I have NEVER made a thread bashing Muslims, ridiculing Muslims of Islam. I take Islam very seriously, because of its political structire and its imperialsim.
Islam is an political ideology. I know this because I bothered reseaching.The fact Muslims belive in Allah is irrelevant. The fact that they believe sun sets in a muddy pond, is irrelevant. I will NEVER EVER attack this or ridicule it, because that is the religious and cultural belief. And if it wasn't a violent ideology, advocating murder of infidels, non-muslims, opression of women, and its founder was not the way he was, I franly would not care.
DO NOT ever imply that my approach to Islam correlates to your approach to Christianity in any way, because frankly, that is extreamly offencive to me.
so ur basically scared that islam is going to take over the world one day?
Originally posted by MarxmanI have seen that a lot, especially in films, like it's a good thing.
I've found that its a practice for some Christians to find those that have no hope, who are down on their luck and seem to be lost, and introduce the idea of Christ and that their suffering will be rewarded in heaven."Just trust in God and us and all will be well. Now please donate to the Church."
Originally posted by FeceManI would rather that person believe based on knowledge.
One, actually.And one person is better than no persons. I expect them to believe based on faith.
Originally posted by FeceManSocking. It's pretty obvious, the fact that both Fatima and silver heart both suck at english and use "believe" instead of "belief" is evident enough.
Why'd fatima get banned? Stupidity?
Originally posted by muslimscholarNo, she's disgusted by Islam's beliefs.
so ur basically scared that islam is going to take over the world one day?