Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Pray tell, what exactly do you think spinning the Hulk around and around or burying him in earth would actually achieve?
Pissing him off, which equals another disaster like the destruction of the Dark Dimension.
What the devil is Storm gonna do to him? That question hasn't even been answered yet.
Originally posted by ThePittman
hum What the hell does that have to do with my post.
Sorry about that. I pushed "quote" for the wrong post. One guy was trying to assert that Storm may be telekinetic and caused the earthquake via TK. That is why I posted this. It was not meant for your post. Apologies. 😄
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yet you cite an example where wind breaks Magneto's forcefield as an testimony of how durable Magneto's forcefields are.Main Entry: double standard
Function: noun
1 : BIMETALLISM
2 : a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another; especially : a code of morals that applies more severe standards of sexual behavior to women than to menMain Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: 'hi-p&-"krit
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritEs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
- hypocrite adjective
You know something, I really dislike insulting people. I generally don't because I feel that people ought to be able to disagree without stooping to that level, but I am going to make some exceptions for ignorant, illiterate blowhards such as yourself. Let me tell you something you piece of crap, the poster I was responding to stated that nothing short of MAgneto's shields can withstand Hulk's attacks. The reason I stated that Storm had nothing to fear was if that is true, then Storm has stronger attacks since she can trump his force-field. I'm sorry if you lack the intelligence to follow the logic there as I am sure most of the other posters were easily able to see it. You go typing these long posts trying to insult somebody but obviously lack the education to interpret what you are trying to criticize. Why don't you stay out of these discussions and let those of us with more than one brain cell discuss this with civility and intelligence. These things are supposed to be fun. Idiots like you turn them into flame wars.
Originally posted by Rutog98
You know something, I really dislike insulting people. I generally don't because I feel that people ought to be able to disagree without stooping to that level, but I am going to make some exceptions for ignorant, illiterate blowhards such as yourself. Let me tell you something you piece of crap, the poster I was responding to stated that nothing short of MAgneto's shields can withstand Hulk's attacks. The reason I stated that Storm had nothing to fear was if that is true, then Storm has stronger attacks since she can trump his force-field. I'm sorry if you lack the intelligence to follow the logic there as I am sure most of the other posters were easily able to see it. You go typing these long posts trying to insult somebody but obviously lack the education to interpret what you are trying to criticize. Why don't you stay out of these discussions and let those of us with more than one brain cell discuss this with civility and intelligence. These things are supposed to be fun. Idiots like you turn them into flame wars.
So you still think, that even taking into consideration of all the stuff Magneto's fields have taken, ranging from nukes to attacks from literal gods, a tornado is able to dissipate them?
Dodging the point of my post is not going to help. If you think that one weak showing of Magneto's fields nulls all the strong showings, but one weak showing of Storm's resistance to cold DOESN'T null all her strong showings...
...you are a double-standard using hypocrite. Plain as simple.
Gotta say that there is one thing where you are gifted besides those points too, coming up with lot of bullshit to answer something that could be answered with one sentence and dodge the entire point of the post.
Interesting ability. Ever considered a career in politics?
Originally posted by ThePittmanShe only did the first thing with the help of Cable, though.
The only way that I can see Storm winning is either in the first strike to hit him with enough juice to short out his brain and disrupt his synapse which she has done before and go for a technical KO. The other would be a BFR and put him into space.
Originally posted by Rutog98
You are so silly. It was not the cold that affected her. The whole point of the post was to show that she is immune to cold as has been stated time and again in continuity. What affected her here was altering so much of the ecosystem. It came with a price. However, there is another issue where she stops a hemisphere-sized hurricane with just a gesture and it doesn't tire her out or anything. Deal with it. In Black Panther, she created a storm that stretched across the continent of Africa. It was easy for her. Deal with it. Im House of M, she permanently altered the ecosystem across Africa so that is became a very productive continent. Deal with it.
I didn't say anything about the cold nearly killing her, I mearly meant that the exersion of her powers almost killed her because she forced herself too hard.
Originally posted by Rutog98
You know something, I really dislike insulting people. I generally don't because I feel that people ought to be able to disagree without stooping to that level, but I am going to make some exceptions for ignorant, illiterate blowhards such as yourself. Let me tell you something you piece of crap, the poster I was responding to stated that nothing short of MAgneto's shields can withstand Hulk's attacks. The reason I stated that Storm had nothing to fear was if that is true, then Storm has stronger attacks since she can trump his force-field. I'm sorry if you lack the intelligence to follow the logic there as I am sure most of the other posters were easily able to see it. You go typing these long posts trying to insult somebody but obviously lack the education to interpret what you are trying to criticize. Why don't you stay out of these discussions and let those of us with more than one brain cell discuss this with civility and intelligence. These things are supposed to be fun. Idiots like you turn them into flame wars.
Hulk ftw.
Originally posted by Rutog98
You know something, I really dislike insulting people.
It shows, you are terrible at it
Originally posted by Rutog98
I generally don't because I feel that people ought to be able to disagree without stooping to that level, but I am going to make some exceptions for ignorant, illiterate blowhards such as yourself.
The strangest piece of this post. I only left it in as part of the reply because it was funny.
Originally posted by Rutog98
Let me tell you something you piece of crap, the poster I was responding to stated that nothing short of MAgneto's shields can withstand Hulk's attacks. The reason I stated that Storm had nothing to fear was if that is true, then Storm has stronger attacks since she can trump his force-field.
ok, wow... let us dissect this a bit.
Do you need the durability of Magneto's shields to survive a hit from the Hulk? Certainly not. Many have and many will. However, not too many people with human level durability will.
Since Storm can destroy magneto's shields, she has stronger attacks than the Hulk. This is making the presumption that Storm can pierce Magneto's shields whereas the Hulk cannot. Further, there appears to be a scan of Storm hurting Magneto with his shields up.
However, here is where you lost sight of what DC was trying to indicate for you. If we want to determine, say, how strong Storm's lightning is, we should take every single example of her using lightning, give some sort of rating to its strength, and then average it out and try to remove the extremes, as there are highs and lows for all feats that can be attributed to PIS and bad writing.
So too would be the case if we were trying to determine the strength of magneto's shield. If we collected every appearance where Magneto uses his forcefield, we would find an average strength rating that allows him to deflect pretty much EVERYTHING. Including hits from Thor's magical hammer.
Now, we must use the knowledge acquired from both of these collations of data. If Storm's lightning (as it is normally portrayed within her power limits) is strong enough to break Magneto's shield (as it is normally portrayed) we would have other showings of either:
a) Storm's lightning doing more damage than Thor's hammer
b) Magneto's shield falling to things with only as much power as Storm's lightning.
Neither of these are the case. Storm's lightning is nowhere near the power of someone like Thor, and Magneto's shield has survived that.
The "double standard" DC was talking about is simple. You use the lowest instance of durability for Magneto's shield durability to prove that Storm's lightning super strong. Well, I'm sure I could find a VERY low end feat for Storm's lightning, and we could all say that it is impossible for her to make anything more powerful. In BOTH cases there is a double standard.
if Storm can break Magneto's shield, she will beat Hulk. This is a logical fallacy. If we assume that Storm can break Magneto's shield, that says nothing toward the end of this fight. Lightning powerful enough to destroy magneto's shield is probably not enough to put down the Hulk. Again, we would have to collate all the data with regards to the Hulk's durability, but I can promise you, it will be well above the durability of Magneto's shield, and this is all without any consideration of his healing factor.
Originally posted by Rutog98
I'm sorry if you lack the intelligence to follow the logic there as I am sure most of the other posters were easily able to see it.
I will give you props on this, excellent use of a rhetorical device. "Clearly you need to agree with me, because everyone else does"
buddy, you have a future in politics and misinformation
Originally posted by Rutog98
You go typing these long posts trying to insult somebody but obviously lack the education to interpret what you are trying to criticize. Why don't you stay out of these discussions and let those of us with more than one brain cell discuss this with civility and intelligence. These things are supposed to be fun. Idiots like you turn them into flame wars.
Civility is overrated. This is not the first thread where people have gone to great lengths to show you the evidence that disproves what you are saying. You are more than welcome to believe what you want, but on these forums there is a desire to find some sort of "objectivity" (ya, its impossible, lets not play semantics). This means there are necessary criteria for feats and necessary components to valid arguments. If that is not "fun" for you, you are in the wrong place.
People have been very patient with you, and I will warn you this:
Continuing to make these same arguments about Storm without valid arguments will do nothing but HURT the character of Storm on these boards and in the minds of the members here. There is no love lost for any sort of fanyboyism.
Originally posted by Rutog98
LOL! You're ticked, eh? The truth hurts. Now let me tell you something you blind buffoon, in Uncanny 150, the force-field was still up she she blasted lightning at him. He stuck his hand through his force-field and absorbed her bio-electric blasts through his hands. Now why you do sit you stupid self in a corner and shut up till you can find me the panel in that issue where he did not have his force-field up prior to her tornado attack. Chris Claremont stated in an interview that Storm had the power of a goddess. Her powers were equal to Phoenix. Storm has more than enough power to knock down Magneto's field. Heck, she can tap into FAR more energy than Magneto can here on Earth. Ororo's winds are far stronger than any category 5 hurricane or F5 tornado. She has pushed the envelop well beyond that on numerous occassions. This happens to be one of them. Now, get a life and a better reading comprehension you dull-witted clown.
*sigh*
Every single time in that issue when something hit his force field and was deflected or blocked, it was shown. No force field was ever shown around him when she summoned the tornado, and it wasn’t shown breaching the shields at all. It just goes from him absorbing the lightning to the tornado on him without a shield up, and for no reason at all.
What makes this PIS is the fact that he wasn’t even protecting himself with a shield.
However, let’s just say that she did break through Magneto’s defenses for some odd reason. You have to take into consideration all the things his force fields have taken with no damage at all.
Like for example, an atomic bomb that he takes without struggle at all.
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/3455/magtakesamegatonbomb9cn.jpg
Or an attack from Thor and She Hulk at the exact same time.
http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magfiresstonesshield7jj.jpg
His shields have resisted the negative pressure of space before, but a little wind is supposed to break through his defenses? 🤨 Yeah, I don’t think so. Hell, even Karnak said he couldn’t find a single weakness in his shields, and that they were perfect. Magneto’s force fields have survived damage FAR greater than Storm’s winds can exert, and that’s a fact. Talking about Storm having low showings while at the same time saying a tornado from Storm can penetrate his shields? Like DC said before, that is a double standard. You can’t use this one time as a means to justify how strong his shields are (even though it was never shown that she penetrated them at all). It just doesn’t work that way. I find it redundant to speak to you about Storm facing another opponent, because you just can’t accept the fact that people can beat her. Magneto is a more powerful mutant than Storm is, and you’re just going to have to face facts. Storm can’t beat Hulk either, so stop hyping up Storm to levels that she’s not at. That’s the sign of a pathetic fanboy, and in this case it holds true. You can’t argue a logical point, and you can’t accept information that’s given to you. You are perhaps the worst poster here on KMC right now. Have a good day.
Originally posted by Beta Ray Howard
Which would also mean she's not an Omega.Too bad Hudlin doesn't read comics. They're a thing of the white man.
This is not true. Because she had trouble in 121 does not mean that she is not Omega. Storm is still evolving. It is stated very plainly in X-Treme issue 5 that STorm will one day evolve into a true goddess and transcend humanity. Even Phoenix, pre-Dark Phoenix struggled and even ran out of power.
And for those of you of were unable to see it, I had created the thread but was unable to post past the first page after its creation. I had 9 pages worth or reading to catch up on and just responded to posts on the way. Therefore, when I responded to a post on say page3 of the thread, I had not yet read the posts on page 5. If you are telling me that Hulk can adapt to where he can even breathe in space, then the only way I can see Storm winning this would be if she attacked him more intimately. For instance, manipulate the blood flow in his body by manipulating the water. She could probably mess with his bio-electric field or bio-EM field. Anywhoo, these are not attacks that she usually resorts to. She would have to in order to beat him it seems unless she can hurl him into space. That would just be a battlefield removal as he has no way of getting back to Earth save he happens upon an astroid or something where he can jumo from there in a trajectory that will bring him back to Earth.
In regards to Storm vs. MAgneto's force-field, she is a much more powerful mutant. However, this is not a discussion for this thread. If you want to rehash the old Storm/Magneto debate, start a thread with Storm vs. Magneto.
Originally posted by Rutog98She's referring to mutants in general. The fact that she's not a confirmed Omega is suffient to say that she's not an Omega. Also not relevant to the thread.
This is not true. Because she had trouble in 121 does not mean that she is not Omega. Storm is still evolving. It is stated very plainly in X-Treme issue 5 that STorm will one day evolve into a true goddess and transcend humanity.
Originally posted by Rutog98I.e. things she can't actually do.
For instance, manipulate the blood flow in his body by manipulating the water. She could probably mess with his bio-electric field or bio-EM field.
Originally posted by Rutog98I.e. thing she probably can't do. Escape velocity is 25,000 mph.
Anywhoo, these are not attacks that she usually resorts to. She would have to in order to beat him it seems unless she can hurl him into space. That would just be a battlefield removal as he has no way of getting back to Earth save he happens upon an astroid or something where he can jumo from there in a trajectory that will bring him back to Earth.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She's referring to mutants in general. The fact that she's not a confirmed Omega is suffient to say that she's not an Omega. Also not relevant to the thread.
I.e. things she can't actually do.
I.e. thing she probably can't do. Escape velocity is 25,000 mph.
She can manipuate the bio-electric field of a person and moisture in your body and all. How do you think Ultimate Storm created the mini-thunderstorm in Iceman's body? If you can control electrical fields, you can control electrical fields. If you can control water, you can control water, etc. I don't care where it's located.
Okay, as far as Storm referring to mutants in general and not herself, I am going to quote for you what the issue says:
Thunderbird3: "Rouge was serious about your being a goddess?"
Storm: "In name only. I'm not there yet."
There you have it. After this, she then addressed mutants as a whole, be we got it very clearly for herself first. CC put her powers on a par with Phoenix's as well and her potential up there with Dark Phoenix. I know you don't like this with your being a JEan fan and all. You are very territorial and hate any x-woman (especially Storm) that is a threat to Phoenix's power. Too bad.
Originally posted by Rutog98Ultimate is not 616 and therefore not relevant.
She can manipuate the bio-electric field of a person and moisture in your body and all. How do you think Ultimate Storm created the mini-thunderstorm in Iceman's body? If you can control electrical fields, you can control electrical fields. If you can control water, you can control water, etc. I don't care where it's located.
Manipulating ocean currents and weather patterns does not equate to fine control hydrokinesis.
Show it on panel for 616 Storm.
Originally posted by Rutog98I assumed
Thunderbird3: "Rouge was serious about your being a goddess?"Storm: "In name only. I'm not there yet."
There you have it. After this, she then addressed mutants as a whole, be we got it very clearly for herself first.[/B][/QUOTE] I assumed you were referring to the latter part about transcendence, but you're actually talking about this passing comment, which is even weaker "proof" than the latter part.
Originally posted by Rutog98😂 Jean fan. You clearly haven't been here very long.
CC put her powers on a par with Phoenix's as well and her potential up there with Dark Phoenix. I know you don't like this with your being a JEan fan and all. You are very territorial and hate any x-woman (especially Storm) that is a threat to Phoenix's power. Too bad.
