Storm vs. Hulk

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Ultimate is not 616 and therefore not relevant.

Manipulating ocean currents and weather patterns does not equate to fine control hydrokinesis.

Show it on panel for 616 Storm.

No. You cannot have the double standards here. In MAgneto debates, your side always tries to bring up stuff Magneto did in Age of Apacolypse. That was a different timeline and all. You cannot try and use that 616 rule when its suits you and then omit it when it works against you. Also, Storm has been able to manipulate the water droplets in the air to form a lens that focused only specific radiations from the sun in 616. HEr control over the ocean currents happened because she can see water as patterns of energy and control it. She's merely controlling the blood/water currents in the body as she does in the ocean.

Originally posted by ThePittman
The only way that I can see Storm winning is either in the first strike to hit him with enough juice to short out his brain and disrupt his synapse which she has done before and go for a technical KO. The other would be a BFR and put him into space.

Okay, these are also very realistic for Storm.

Honestly, the reason I believe that Storm has the advantage over Hulk in this fight is because his powers are too one-dimensional to take on somebody like Storm. He can't even fly. That within itself is going to put him at some disadvantages.

Originally posted by Rutog98
No. You cannot have the double standards here. In MAgneto debates, your side always tries to bring up stuff Magneto did in Age of Apacolypse.

Originally posted by Rutog98
That was a different timeline and all. You cannot try and use that 616 rule when its suits you and then omit it when it works against you.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Also, Storm has been able to manipulate the water droplets in the air to form a lens that focused only specific radiations from the sun in 616. HEr control over the ocean currents happened because she can see water as patterns of energy and control it. She's merely controlling the blood/water currents in the body as she does in the ocean.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Honestly, the reason I believe that Storm has the advantage over Hulk in this fight is because his powers are too one-dimensional to take on somebody like Storm. He can't even fly. That within itself is going to put him at some disadvantages.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So you still think, that even taking into consideration of all the stuff Magneto's fields have taken, ranging from nukes to attacks from literal gods, a tornado is able to dissipate them?

Dodging the point of my post is not going to help. If you think that one weak showing of Magneto's fields nulls all the strong showings, but one weak showing of Storm's resistance to cold DOESN'T null all her strong showings...

...you are a double-standard using hypocrite. Plain as simple.

Gotta say that there is one thing where you are gifted besides those points too, coming up with lot of bullshit to answer something that could be answered with one sentence and dodge the entire point of the post.

Interesting ability. Ever considered a career in politics?

The reason I did not answer this stuff is because I have done this so often in other threads and discredited you. Galactus throws a blast at MAgneto's force-field that was so pathetic yet you are trying to make it seem as if Galactus really gave it a good shot and Magneto's field withstood it. The issue really made light of MAgneto and Xavier to Galactus. They were just barely registering on the outter fringes of his consciousness and he just tossed a really pathetic blast that did not do much damage to the area to swat a fly. For all I know, even Gambit may be able to produce a greater amount of force than what Galactus threw. We all know that Magneto's force-field would be less than the thinnest of paper to Galactus were he truly motivated.

In regards to Phoenix, her powers in that issue was stated to rival Xavier's. In other words, she was not some celestial madonna in that story. Also, in the same issue, Storm overpowered Magneto.

In regards to atomic bombs, Storm can push her winds well beyond the envelop of a category 5 hurricane or F5 tornado. She has done this numerous times. An atomic bomb cannot do some of the things her winds have been put on the level of. An atomic bomd can't level a mountain. Storm's winds can. An atomic bomb can't knock down Magneto's force-field. Storm's winds can. To boot, Storm can focus the full energy of a storm into a bolt of lightning. An atomic bomb is a joke in comparison to that. Sorry.

Magneto has never been able to manipuate enough of the planet's energy to alter the ecosystem on any substantial scale under ordinary circumstances. Storm has altered weather over an entire hemisphere. She is much more powerful than he and can throw out much more energy and power than he can. A Storm vs. Magneto fight would come down to who can access more of the planet's energy/resources since they both have the same power base. Storm beats him badly here. Even Magneto has stated that Storm could beat him if she did not hold back. She holds back for fear of killing him. This is all canon.

Originally posted by Rutog98
The reason I did not answer this stuff is because I have done this so often in other threads and discredited you. Galactus throws a blast at MAgneto's force-field that was so pathetic yet you are trying to make it seem as if Galactus really gave it a good shot and Magneto's field withstood it. The issue really made light of MAgneto and Xavier to Galactus. They were just barely registering on the outter fringes of his consciousness and he just tossed a really pathetic blast that did not do much damage to the area to swat a fly. For all I know, even Gambit may be able to produce a greater amount of force than what Galactus threw. We all know that Magneto's force-field would be less than the thinnest of paper to Galactus were he truly motivated.

In regards to Phoenix, her powers in that issue was stated to rival Xavier's. In other words, she was not some celestial madonna in that story. Also, in the same issue, Storm overpowered Magneto.

In regards to atomic bombs, Storm can push her winds well beyond the envelop of a category 5 hurricane or F5 tornado. She has done this numerous times. An atomic bomb cannot do some of the things her winds have been put on the level of. An atomic bomd can't level a mountain. Storm's winds can. An atomic bomb can't knock down Magneto's force-field. Storm's winds can. To boot, Storm can focus the full energy of a storm into a bolt of lightning. An atomic bomb is a joke in comparison to that. Sorry.

Magneto has never been able to manipuate enough of the planet's energy to alter the ecosystem on any substantial scale under ordinary circumstances. Storm has altered weather over an entire hemisphere. She is much more powerful than he and can throw out much more energy and power than he can. A Storm vs. Magneto fight would come down to who can access more of the planet's energy/resources since they both have the same power base. Storm beats him badly here. Even Magneto has stated that Storm could beat him if she did not hold back. She holds back for fear of killing him. This is all canon.

Just replace Jean/Phoenix with Storm.
(Further irony in that I don't particularly like Jean and have always found her incredibly boring, while throughout Uncanny/adjectiveless I've liked Storm.)

Storm is a great character (or was before her current writer) and there are numerous people she can beat. But there are also people she can't beat. Or that she would only win a minority against.

The thing is, you take it to a fanatical level claiming things like she's on par with Thor, and can beat the Hellfire club alone and so on, and try and pull other characters down in order to build Storm up, (very much like her current writer with BP's character) and/or claiming she can do things she's never done - not plausible extrapolations, just purely specious speculations.

And please stop trying to use that silly "energy output" argument. It too is purely specious. Jamie Braddock manipulates the quantum strings of reality. He's never shown large scales of energy output. He still beats Storm. And further Magneto has used his powers on a global scale. You know it. I know it. Everybody else knows it.

She loses to Hulk, because no one has shown she has adequate means to put him down.

I wouldn't pay too much attention to Rutog98. His posts fit patterns of other members who have been banned for reasons such as spam, flaming and socking. The best thing to do is ignore him. You're only giving him credibility when you respond to his posts. Try the ignore list, it's a fine way to move right past inane blather and flummery.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
See here's the irony, [b]you are this person:
"I know you don't like this with your being a JEan fan and all. You are very territorial and hate any ... that is a threat to Phoenix's power. Too bad."

Just replace Jean/Phoenix with Storm.
(Further irony in that I don't particularly like Jean and have always found her incredibly boring, while throughout Uncanny/adjectiveless I've liked Storm.)

Storm is a great character (or was before her current writer) and there are numerous people she can beat. But there are also people she can't beat. Or that she would only win a minority against.

The thing is, you take it to a fanatical level claiming things like she's on par with Thor, and can beat the Hellfire club alone and so on, and try and pull other characters down in order to build Storm up, (very much like her current writer with BP's character) and/or claiming she can do things she's never done - not plausible extrapolations, just purely specious speculations.

And please stop trying to use that silly "energy output" argument. It too is purely specious. Jamie Braddock manipulates the quantum strings of reality. He's never shown large scales of energy output. He still beats Storm. And further Magneto has used his powers on a global scale. You know it. I know it. Everybody else knows it.

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I know that there are characters who would beat Ororo at her current state in her mutant evolution. Silver Surfer, Superman, Galactus and other would as well.

I don't pull anybody down to put Storm up. I bring up power levels established in continuity that puts her above those people. And yes, she does have a good 50/50 against the Inner Circle.

The energy output argument is very relevant against Storm vs. Magneto as it does come down to which can overpower the other. Jamie Braddock doesn't work because of the nature of his powers. Storm vs. MAgneto is TOTALLY different from Storm vs. Jamie. I honestly can't believe you tried that analogy to prove a point.

Magneto has used his power on a global scale, yes, when technology or drugs were involved in some way to either boost his powers or grossly alter the EM fields.

Originally posted by Badabing
I wouldn't pay too much attention to Rutog98. His posts fit patterns of other members who have been banned for reasons such as spam, flaming and socking. The best thing to do is ignore him. You're only giving him credibility when you respond to his posts. Try the ignore list, it's a fine way to move right past inane blather and flummery.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
'Flummery'? Me likey. That's going into my regular usage.

Originally posted by Badabing
I wouldn't pay too much attention to Rutog98. His posts fit patterns of other members who have been banned for reasons such as spam, flaming and socking. The best thing to do is ignore him. You're only giving him credibility when you respond to his posts. Try the ignore list, it's a fine way to move right past inane blather and flummery.

Okay, so what you are telling me is that others like Batdude and Jean fans can run around here and insult others who don't agree with them, meanwhile, if some of us (like myself) responds, then we are the bad guy. What a double-standard.

Also, I agree that I am speculating that Storm can control bio-electrical fields and bloodflow and all (but this is based off of her powers though as it is very realistic for her to do these things), but outside of that, what I am making up? What am I stating that is not in continuity?

This is my last post to you after which I'm going to take Bada's advice and ignore your flummery.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I know that there are characters who would beat Ororo at her current state in her mutant evolution. Silver Surfer, Superman, Galactus and other would as well.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I don't pull anybody down to put Storm up.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Magneto has used his power on a global scale, yes, when technology or drugs were involved in some way to either boost his powers or grossly alter the EM fields.

Originally posted by Rutog98
The energy output argument is very relevant against Storm vs. Magneto as it does come down to which can overpower the other. Jamie Braddock doesn't work because of the nature of his powers. Storm vs. MAgneto is TOTALLY different from Storm vs. Jamie. I honestly can't believe you tried that analogy to prove a point.

Good day.

Originally posted by Doctor S.T.D.
Most of S~pace is a lot less than –275

Out of content and all, but just had to reply to this... 🙂 I take it you are talking in terms of Celsius and not Fahrenheit?

I don´t know what you mean by "a lot less" but since the absolute zero temperature is somewhere around 276(point something) you can´t say "a lot less".
Heat is more or less the movement of atoms (This is what I have learned in school, it was some time ago so please correct me if I´m wrong, thank you.) and when you make the atoms stop, you have reached the lowest temperature that can be, which is 276degrees. Celsius...

Have a nice day!

BTW, I think Storm could manage to win 3/10 just cause of her versatility.

😆@ Magneto's iron in Blood trick being "PLAUSIBLE".

Some of you people just hate storm because her powers are being clearly shown to go far beyond the little box she's been placed in in your minds.

😆

Originally posted by 2damnloud
😆 Magneto's iron in Blood trick being "PLAUSIBLE".

Some of you people just hate storm because her powers are being shown to go clearly shown to go far beyond the little box she's been placed in in your minds.

Whats the matter, are the magnetic feilds munipulating the blood flow to your brain??? 🙄

😆 Im in STITCHES HERE!!!

Plausible within comics, because he's done said feat or highly analogous things before. 😐

She controls the weather, is a black woman with white hair and blue eyes and is married to a man who uses a heart shaped herb to gain abilities and is monarch of a very rich African country. Her former boyfriend was had a bionic arm and leg and could invent anything he could imagine. 😐 But hemoglobin isn't ferromagnetic. 😆 😕 😐 ❌

Originally posted by ThePittman
hum

So her dropping an asthma attack-inducing tornado on him is not Plausible???

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Plausible within comics, because he's done said feat or highly analogous things before. 😐

She controls the weather, is a black woman with white hair and blue eyes and is married to a man who uses a heart shaped herb to gain abilities and is monarch of a very rich African country. Her former boyfriend was had a bionic arm and leg and could invent anything he could imagine. 😐 But hemoglobin isn't ferromagnetic. 😆 😕 😐 ❌
My sentiments exactly.

UHHH, still looking for the lack plausibility with regards to her POWERS.

Mags controls the electromagnetic spectrum, yet can magnetize things that are not MAGNETIC??? PLASTIC and HEMOGLOBIN are not MAGNETIC 😆 *stitches*

Is Iron oxide magnetic also??? Nope. 😆

Plausibility or PIS???

Whatever.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
UHHH, still looking for the lack plausibility with regards to her POWERS.

Mags controls the electromagnetic spectrum, yet can magnetize things that are not MAGNETIC??? PLASTIC and HEMOGLOBIN are not MAGNETIC 😆 *stitches*

Is Iron oxide magnetic also??? Nope. 😆

Plausibility or PIS???

Whatever.

OH, by the way Iron(III) oxide is magnetic