Storm vs. Hulk

Originally posted by Bentley
I am confused about the "thunder-clapping a dimension" thingy, I mean, lets say that Hulk by some imposible miracle manages to create enough pressure to destroy atoms at a neutronic level and cause an explosion big enough to obliterate a large space -after all, pressure its what they use to fuel atomic reactors.

My issue is this: How in heck can Hulk survive that and how does his atoms dont get involved in the chain reaction that obliterates the universe? I dont get it, is it also a stupid-good durability feat? Maybe it was a dimension that could be only destroyed by thunderclapping, that would make sense.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I think he should have a limit. I can expand my imagination enough to accept infinite strength, but not infinite anger. I can't see anyone getting angrier beyond a certain point. They should have made it, the longer he stays angry the stronger he gets.

For instance, if someone were to kill Betty, I think that would be the angriest he would ever get. His human side should also limit just how far he could go.

Which would also mean she's not an Omega.

Too bad Hudlin doesn't read comics. They're a thing of the white man

Although I don't believe Storm should be an Omega mutant, I can name a few occasions on the top of my head where Jean or Iceman have exerted themselves to the point of "almost death."

Originally posted by Rutog98
The reason I did not answer this stuff is because I have done this so often in other threads and discredited you. Galactus throws a blast at MAgneto's force-field that was so pathetic yet you are trying to make it seem as if Galactus really gave it a good shot and Magneto's field withstood it. The issue really made light of MAgneto and Xavier to Galactus. They were just barely registering on the outter fringes of his consciousness and he just tossed a really pathetic blast that did not do much damage to the area to swat a fly. For all I know, even Gambit may be able to produce a greater amount of force than what Galactus threw. We all know that Magneto's force-field would be less than the thinnest of paper to Galactus were he truly motivated.

In regards to Phoenix, her powers in that issue was stated to rival Xavier's. In other words, she was not some celestial madonna in that story. Also, in the same issue, Storm overpowered Magneto.

In regards to atomic bombs, Storm can push her winds well beyond the envelop of a category 5 hurricane or F5 tornado. She has done this numerous times. An atomic bomb cannot do some of the things her winds have been put on the level of. An atomic bomd can't level a mountain. Storm's winds can. An atomic bomb can't knock down Magneto's force-field. Storm's winds can. To boot, Storm can focus the full energy of a storm into a bolt of lightning. An atomic bomb is a joke in comparison to that. Sorry.

Magneto has never been able to manipuate enough of the planet's energy to alter the ecosystem on any substantial scale under ordinary circumstances. Storm has altered weather over an entire hemisphere. She is much more powerful than he and can throw out much more energy and power than he can. A Storm vs. Magneto fight would come down to who can access more of the planet's energy/resources since they both have the same power base. Storm beats him badly here. Even Magneto has stated that Storm could beat him if she did not hold back. She holds back for fear of killing him. This is all canon.

Already dealt with all that. Owned you in that whole planet ecosystem thing.

Storm's winds are not stronger then nuclear weapons, something I also proved. Neither are they stronger then combined blows from Thor or She-Hulk, the attack from Galactus, the all-out attack from Phoenix...

Do you read ANYTHING from the previous threads, or are you just ignorant? And obviously, the winds portrayed in the instance where they "broke through Magneto's forcefields" were pretty f*cking weak considering that they didn't even hurt Magneto WITHOUT his forcefield. Funny.

You can keep whining as much as you want, continue with all kinds of bullshit that you want, but Magneto has taken stronger attacks then ANY wind Storm has created with ease.

And you still have failed to show proof that the EM field was somehow weaker when Magneto manipulated it, and failed to understand that Magneto did not need the machine to manipulate the field in the second instance, but CONTINUE to exert his influence over it, something that also was stated in the comic.

Be ignorant all you want, but people aren't going to take you seriously any more.

Especially considering that you are double-standardizing hypocrite fanboy and all.

storm durability is normal human standards?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Already dealt with all that. Owned you in that whole planet ecosystem thing.

Storm's winds are not stronger then nuclear weapons, something I also proved. Neither are they stronger then combined blows from Thor or She-Hulk, the attack from Galactus, the all-out attack from Phoenix...

Do you read ANYTHING from the previous threads, or are you just ignorant? And obviously, the winds portrayed in the instance where they "broke through Magneto's forcefields" were pretty f*cking weak considering that they didn't even hurt Magneto WITHOUT his forcefield. Funny.

You can keep whining as much as you want, continue with all kinds of bullshit that you want, but Magneto has taken stronger attacks then ANY wind Storm has created with ease.

And you still have failed to show proof that the EM field was somehow weaker when Magneto manipulated it, and failed to understand that Magneto did not need the machine to manipulate the field in the second instance, but CONTINUE to exert his influence over it, something that also was stated in the comic.

Be ignorant all you want, but people aren't going to take you seriously any more.

Especially considering that you are double-standardizing hypocrite fanboy and all.

Well the fallacy is, you assume that a nuclear attack has a comparable affect as a psionically controlled, concentrated suction vortex dropping driectly ontop of Magneto's head before he could do anything to counter it.

Second, you should take those attacks from the likes of Galctus, Thor, and Phoenix with a grain of salt since those people are LEAPS and BOUNDS above Magneto's level. Is it really plausible that he could take attacks from GODS??? The answer on KMC would be, "it's on Panel". Well, Storm almost KILLING Mags is "on Panel" too. 😱

What do we do??? 😖mart: 😗

Why do people feel the need to debate about everything else except that Storm loses to Hulk? 😑

😖hifty:

Storm wins 6/10 for the simple fact of her versatility and er just being smarter than Hulk's dumbass.

It's kinda like Akido(sp). Your opponet may be exponentially stronger, but with enough finnesse and technique, they will go down.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm wins 6/10 for the simple fact of her versatility and er just being smarter than Hulk's dumbass.

It's kinda like Akido(sp). Your opponet may be exponentially stronger, but with enough finnesse and technique, they will go down.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Well the fallacy is, you assume that a nuclear attack has a comparable affect as a psionically controlled, concentrated suction vortex dropping driectly ontop of Magneto's head before he could do anything to counter it.

Second, you should take those attacks from the likes of Galctus, Thor, and Phoenix with a grain of salt since those people are LEAPS and BOUNDS above Magneto's level. Is it really plausible that he could take attacks from GODS??? The answer on KMC would be, "it's on Panel". Well, Storm almost KILLING Mags is "on Panel" too. 😱

What do we do??? 😖mart: 😗

Do you know the meaning of "majority"?

In MAJORITY of Magneto's showings he takes stronger attacks then wind. Especially wind that wasn't even able to finish him WITHOUT a shield.

And YES, nuclear weapon DOES do more damage then a freaking wind.

What I'd love, is if someone who supports Storm actually responded to my post here... At least I think I have made some decent points.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Well the fallacy is, you assume that a nuclear attack has a comparable affect as a psionically controlled, concentrated suction vortex dropping driectly ontop of Magneto's head before he could do anything to counter it.

You are 100% correct. Nobody knows the power of the nuclear bombs nor is there an empirical measure of the force of the winds that Storm used in that feat.

You can choose, do we:

1) throw out both feats for lack of knowledge

2) look at them in regards to:

a) other on panel showings regarding said abilities

b) comparisons between wind and nuclear bombs in the real world

In any of these options, the answer does not become Storm beats Magneto, and more specifically, it does not become Storm beats Hulk.

If there is another option, please inform me of it.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Second, you should take those attacks from the likes of Galctus, Thor, and Phoenix with a grain of salt since those people are LEAPS and BOUNDS above Magneto's level. Is it really plausible that he could take attacks from GODS???

Again, you DO have a point. Phoenix, Thor and Galactus should take a solid majority against Magneto. Thor might only be 7/10 due to how powerful Magneto really is, but using his powers to the fullest, Thor should have no issues whatsoever.

However, Magneto's shield surviving the attacks of these people has nothing to do with how well magneto will fare against these opponents. In fact, the three people you have selected would be using their powers ineffectively to attack magneto in a way that allows his shields to block them.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
The answer on KMC would be, "it's on Panel". Well, Storm almost KILLING Mags is "on Panel" too. 😱

Correct. No matter how outlandish it seems, Magneto's shield holding up against considerably more powerful opponents is a common trend of his shielding.

And yes, Storm almost killing mags is on panel too. I explained IN DETAIL how this would be assessed on these boards on page 11. You didn't read it there, so I wont post it here for you to ignore again.

Needless to say, the answer is in the frequency. Magneto's shields are as powerful as they are because they are consistently shown to be that powerful, not because it makes sense. If Storm were to be able to destroy them, She would need to consistently show that she is able to output the damage necessary to destroy them. Since this has been seen once, and in every other showing, Storm's attacks are much less powerful, we go with the most frequent showings, not the ones that prove the thesis we have.

For instance, my favorite character is Man-Thing. There is a comic where he kicks Dr. Strange's ass. This is so much PIS that it isn't even funny, but it is on panel. By the logic you are proposing, it is valid to say that Man-Thing can beat Strange, because it happened once. The logic that is accepted as valid on these forums (and imho the logic that makes sense in this type of debate) dictates that this feat is not acceptable, given that the Man-Thing has never been capable of defeating an opponent of that power and that Strange consistently deals with opponents way out of Man-Thing's league (I would argue that Strange might have trouble putting Man-Thing away for good, but that is irrelevant here).

Originally posted by 2damnloud
What do we do??? 😖mart: 😗

What do you mean?

Everyone who has been answering you has no problem dealing with the supposed paradox you are proposing.

Yes, there are many places where comics will contradict themselves. In one issue, Kazaar puts his head against Man-Thing's chest to hear his heart beat, however, in other issues it is said that Man-Thing has no internal organs. Storm is able to destroy Magneto's shield where in other showings Magneto's shield is far more capable of withstanding damage.

Sure, if EVERY SINGLE THING that is EVER written in a comic HAS to be true, then in the above cases BOTH must be true.

Man-Thing must both have a recognizable heartbeat AND he must have no internal organs.

Do you understand? That is what you are saying. Man-thing has a heartbeat while not having a heart.

Since that is obviously ridiculous, there must be a different solution. This is frequency and average showings. Since it is much more often alluded that Man-Thing has no internal structure save all his swamp goo, it is proper to assume that the Kazaar incidence in PIS while the numerous other instances are true. If the new Man-Thing comic coming out says blatantly that Man-Thing has a heart and Steve Gerber was a chump, then fine, Man-Thing has a heart.

does this make sense?

Storm has no chance here. Any version of the hulk would rape her 10/10.

This versus is retarded.

This vs is indeed laughable. Storm is so overrated its not even funny.

Originally posted by playa1258
This vs is indeed laughable. Storm is so overrated its not even funny.

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Storm has no chance here. Any version of the hulk would rape her 10/10.

This versus is retarded.

Hulk breaks her neck

Originally posted by inamilist
What I'd love, is if someone who supports Storm actually responded to my post here... At least [b]I think I have made some decent points.

You are 100% correct. Nobody knows the power of the nuclear bombs nor is there an empirical measure of the force of the winds that Storm used in that feat.

You can choose, do we:

1) throw out both feats for lack of knowledge

2) look at them in regards to:

a) other on panel showings regarding said abilities

b) comparisons between wind and nuclear bombs in the real world

In any of these options, the answer does not become Storm beats Magneto, and more specifically, it does not become Storm beats Hulk.

If there is another option, please inform me of it.

Again, you DO have a point. Phoenix, Thor and Galactus should take a solid majority against Magneto. Thor might only be 7/10 due to how powerful Magneto really is, but using his powers to the fullest, Thor should have no issues whatsoever.

However, Magneto's shield surviving the attacks of these people has nothing to do with how well magneto will fare against these opponents. In fact, the three people you have selected would be using their powers ineffectively to attack magneto in a way that allows his shields to block them.

Correct. No matter how outlandish it seems, Magneto's shield holding up against considerably more powerful opponents is a common trend of his shielding.

And yes, Storm almost killing mags is on panel too. I explained IN DETAIL how this would be assessed on these boards on page 11. You didn't read it there, so I wont post it here for you to ignore again.

Needless to say, the answer is in the frequency. Magneto's shields are as powerful as they are because they are consistently shown to be that powerful, not because it makes sense. If Storm were to be able to destroy them, She would need to consistently show that she is able to output the damage necessary to destroy them. Since this has been seen once, and in every other showing, Storm's attacks are much less powerful, we go with the most frequent showings, not the ones that prove the thesis we have.

For instance, my favorite character is Man-Thing. There is a comic where he kicks Dr. Strange's ass. This is so much PIS that it isn't even funny, but it is on panel. By the logic you are proposing, it is valid to say that Man-Thing can beat Strange, because it happened once. The logic that is accepted as valid on these forums (and imho the logic that makes sense in this type of debate) dictates that this feat is not acceptable, given that the Man-Thing has never been capable of defeating an opponent of that power and that Strange consistently deals with opponents way out of Man-Thing's league (I would argue that Strange might have trouble putting Man-Thing away for good, but that is irrelevant here).

What do you mean?

Everyone who has been answering you has no problem dealing with the supposed paradox you are proposing.

Yes, there are many places where comics will contradict themselves. In one issue, Kazaar puts his head against Man-Thing's chest to hear his heart beat, however, in other issues it is said that Man-Thing has no internal organs. Storm is able to destroy Magneto's shield where in other showings Magneto's shield is far more capable of withstanding damage.

Sure, if EVERY SINGLE THING that is EVER written in a comic HAS to be true, then in the above cases BOTH must be true.

Man-Thing must both have a recognizable heartbeat AND he must have no internal organs.

Do you understand? That is what you are saying. Man-thing has a heartbeat while not having a heart.

Since that is obviously ridiculous, there must be a different solution. This is frequency and average showings. Since it is much more often alluded that Man-Thing has no internal structure save all his swamp goo, it is proper to assume that the Kazaar incidence in PIS while the numerous other instances are true. If the new Man-Thing comic coming out says blatantly that Man-Thing has a heart and Steve Gerber was a chump, then fine, Man-Thing has a heart.

does this make sense? [/B]

Also, that nuke feat chould be PIS too. Those nukes generated MORE than enough heat to nulify his magnetism, thus leaving him defenseless.

Also the strong nuke(20 psi) generates heat and winds(shockwave) of about 500 mph. Storm can creat wind maybe 3-5 times that. She can make them straight line or vortex. I think vortex would do the trick. A tornado with winds of over 2,000 mph!!??!! That's some other shit. Hell, an F5 tornado produces winds stronger or approaching a 10 psi nuke. And those winds are not even CONSTANT. Just imagine storm concentrating it on Him CONSTANTLY.😗

Now to Hulk...

Hulk may win, no doubt, but you all act as if Storm will be going toe-to-toe with him. Like I said, Strategy and smarts are in her favor.

The Aikido analogy can work. Doesn't matter how strong he is. First thing, he would have to get close to her. How can't do that when it has been shown that her winds blow him over like straw???

One thing I can say about Storm, she's not scared of no damn body. She stood right up to him and was like " the strongest trees bend and then BREAK in my winds". She's very confident in her powers. I thinkshe knows JUST what she can do goin all out.

Just for the record Thor beats Magneto 10/10 due the fact he can absorb his power with the mjolmir... He just never does it.

I also read somewhere, I think it was in another storm vs. Magneto thread about how she could create a super-heated tropical vortex to disrupt his magnetism. Or and ionised cloud would "earth" his magnetism in a painful flash.

I haven't read anything about it though.

It goes to show that there are a myriad of subtle weather-related attacks she could use against an opponent besides lightning, and rain, winds.

I can't believe this comic book stuff is getting me into science.😱

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Any version of the hulk would rape her 10/10.

Hmm. . .

Man, this thread is way too big now to push the original thread.

But in the original thread, I think GalacticStorm and a few others and I talked about anything Storm could do to put down Hulk and I think it came down to whether or not Hulk's healing factor was enough of a plot device to restart his own heart and/or brain functions.

Honestly, from what I've seen of Hulk's healing feats I wouldn't put it past him to regenerate from a cell or something ridiculous like that if he hasn't already.

Originally posted by inamilist
well, like every other storm thread, this comes again to magneto.

Why doesn't somebody just make a storm vs magneto thread?

Originally posted by inamilist
Man-Thing must both have a recognizable heartbeat AND he must have no internal organs.