Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The article is from 1979, pre-Dark Phoenix saga. "Full potential" is pointless, considering if writers and editors wanted to they could make Jubilee an Abstract.
And Uncanny 145-147 comes after Dark Phoenix Saga. You missed the boat entirely because you have Storm's powers in a box. You don't want her to go above where you place her because of your own personal feelings.
Uncanny 145-147 is a complete parallel to tge Dark Phoenix Saga. In fact, its a condenced DPS.
Storm=Phoenix (pre-Dark Phoenix)
Rougestorm (Uncanny 147)=Dark Phoenix
Rougestorm's powers were described like a song/symphony building with a crescendo and all that same as Dark Phoenix. Her powers were stated to be near-infinite and she was growing more powerful. This is just like Dark Phoenix. It was stated that both Storm and Phoenix were tempted by ultimate power and had it in their grasp. Ororo denied herself it while Dark Phoenix craved and went for it.
Sorry if you don't like it. Then you have stories like Uncanny 165 where Storm summons the full power of millions of stars. Then you have issues like X-Treme issue 5 that states Ororo will evolve into a real goddess. Then you have the 12 story arc where it shows that STorm will evolve into an elemental being.
I could have used this in my Storm vs. Sersi thread and made some very strong arguments about Storm beating her in other ways than trying to use volume and concussive force against Sersi.
Analogous does not mean identical.
Million stars was in the Galactic Core. And it killed her. And she's never repeated anything like it.
The X-Treme comment is barely there. "I'm not there yet." is meant to imply she'll one day be an Abstract?
Have fun with that, but no matter how many convoluted scenarios you try and engineer for Storm to try and win, Sersi still turns her into a Weather Pig 10/10.
Originally posted by boriquaking55
at full potential, teh writers could change any character's powers to do anything. Like X said - Jubilee could be written to do thatNot a valid argument.
We are not debating Storm vs. a cosmic right now nor have we debated that anywhere on this board that I have seen.
Originally posted by xmarksthespothum
Analogous does not mean identical.Million stars was in the Galactic Core. And it killed her. And she's never repeated anything like it.
The X-Treme comment is barely there. "I'm not there yet." is meant to imply she'll one day be an Abstract?
Have fun with that, but no matter how many convoluted scenarios you try and engineer for Storm to try and win, Sersi still turns her into a Weather Pig 10/10.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Analogous does not mean identical.Million stars was in the Galactic Core. And it killed her. And she's never repeated anything like it.
The X-Treme comment is barely there. "I'm not there yet." is meant to imply she'll one day be an Abstract?
Have fun with that, but no matter how many convoluted scenarios you try and engineer for Storm to try and win, Sersi still turns her into a Weather Pig 10/10.
You are deulding yourself with the "identical" comment. What was written was very plain.
The galactic core thing is EXTREMELY impressive no matter what you say. Lets see Hulk or Jubilee summon the full power of a star and see what happens. lol! Even Phoenix had limits. She ran out of power battling Proteus. That's nowhere near as powerful as millions of stars. Now, both Storm and Phoenix could get more powerful and wield untimate power. HOwever, their morality and mental blocks they imposed on themselves held the power in check and kept them from evolving.
In regards to Storm vs. Sersi, I only had two scenerios which I presented within the first two pages of the thread as an either/or. I could use Ororo's ability to perceive the universe (including living beings) as patterns of energy and forces and bending these forces to her will. Storm controls MUCH greater amounts of energy than Sersi. Hence, she has altered weather over an entire hemisphere with just a wave of her hands. Sersi would kill herself many times over if she tried to work on that scale. She cannot manipulate that much energy. Storm can. I could have argued Storm attacking Sersi directly and overpowering her atomic control. And yes, Ororo can pull stuff like this as she's created clothing out of thin air. Sersi can do this too and does stuff like this much more often, however, its within Ororo's ability and Storm easily work with much more energy than Sersi can. Sersi would kill herself way before she can even transmute a Godzilla-sized creature. Its too much mass for her. STorm controls MUCH greater volume than that on a regular basis. I just wanted to avoid this argument, but I could have used it and been substantiated by continuity. I knew going this route, the debate would have never reached a conclusion. lol. It still did not with me using Storm's more traditional attacks, etc.
I think we're all taking Storms comment from X-treme X-Men #5 out of context.
The context itself according to Storm applies to ALL mutants not just herself. And to gauge this transition as something "cosmic" is quite the stretch. She says she's experienced this sensation before and if I'm remebering my Storm history right that was during her Roguestorm days where she said herself that she was no Thor. Which Claremont also wrote. It's a bit of a stretch to make such claims when Storms comment also applies to mutants such as Beak and Angel.(Morrisons creations)
Not to mention the fact that there are also instances where she herself says she's not a Goddess.
Originally posted by Badabing
Hulk wins.
http://img84.exs.cx/img84/3901/storm3qz.jpg
Hulk has this IMO, but that was pretty stupid to me.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I think we're all taking Storms comment from X-treme X-Men #5 out of context.
The context itself according to Storm applies to ALL mutants not just herself. And to gauge this transition as something "cosmic" is quite the stretch. She says she's experienced this sensation before and if I'm remebering my Storm history right that was during her Roguestorm days where she said herself that she was no Thor. Which Claremont also wrote. It's a bit of a stretch to make such claims when Storms comment also applies to mutants such as Beak and Angel.(Morrisons creations)Not to mention the fact that there are also instances where she herself says she's not a Goddess.
Storm did not say that she was no Thor in Uncanny 147. LOL! After she had given up ultimate power, she was using restraint to calm the storm she had created. She would not allow herself to ride roughshod over it. She said that had she been Thor, she could disperse it with a thought. The difference between Storm and Thor is she works with the forces of nature. Thor, on the other hand, has a magical artifact that does all the work for him. However, as Rougestorm, she showed no restraint. This is by choice on Storm's part.
As for Storm not being a goddess, she is not. She has the power of a goddess though as she told Forge in "Life Death"
Originally posted by Rutog98
Exactly how large has he grown? What's to stop Ororo from hurling him into orbit or something?
Originally posted by Badabing
At full potential, the writers could make Hulk the cosmic embodiment of strength. lol
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I think we're all taking Storms comment from X-treme X-Men #5 out of context.
The context itself according to Storm applies to ALL mutants not just herself. And to gauge this transition as something "cosmic" is quite the stretch. She says she's experienced this sensation before and if I'm remebering my Storm history right that was during her Roguestorm days where she said herself that she was no Thor.
I would like to correct you right there
Storm never made any claims that she was weaker then thor in controlling the weather, all she said was thor could disperse the storm with a mere thought, because his powers are magic based and hers are not. We have to remember that storm and thor doesn't control the weather the same, thor controls the weather by overriding it unatually(magic doing all the work) and storm manipulates the weather manually. This does imply that storm can not do as much damage as thor.
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The effort of triumph over the storm and More importantly overcoming her dark side nearly kills her, this tells me that her emotional state was the source of the problem in this matter, when her self control returned she was all psychotic of what was going on that the effort nearly killed her to take control over herself again and all at the same time trying to stop a massive storm she created.
Originally posted by The Weather GodSorry i meant This does not imply that storm can not do as much damage as thor. 😮
This does imply that storm can not do as much damage as thor.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Holy crap. Is Storm comparing her will to the holocaust? Somebody went out of their way to make that reference.
Hey thanks i didn't noticed that. 🙂
Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm did not say that she was no Thor in Uncanny 147.
Originally posted by The Weather God
I would like to correct you right there
Just out of curiosity...where exactly are you getting this "Ultimate Power" thing from? The parallel which I draw from UXM #147 to the Dark Phoenix Saga shows Storm undergoing a situation similar to that of Jean and like Ms Grey she too is corrupted by her new found power. By no means does this imply that she has the power of a Goddess on Par with that of the Phoenix or any other Cosmic Entity. And by no means does she give this power up. It is her power however as Roguestorm she used it in a violent and sporadic fashion with no regard for the Earth itself. What Storm did that Jean never did was overcome her corruption. And by tapping back into her humanity she is able to come back to her senses. So by no means does this imply that she attained power on leagues with Cosmic Gods and by no means did she give it up by coming to her senses she is able to change her state of mind and use her powers in a less destructive fashion.
As Magneto would say Mutants are Gods among men. And this is what I believe Claremont was getting at. Mutants have the means do things that would be looked upon by men as Godly. And he further touched on this in X-treme X-Men #5 with Storms comments.
Besides the power itself was not described as Infinite but "Near Infinite" which is a very vague statement for a being who claims to have "No limits".
As for the Thor thing. I believe in can be interpreted as both. For a being who claimed to have "No limits" she was almost killed when she tried to dispel the storm. She is no Thor in the sense that she couldn't dispel it right away. I realize the nature at which both of their powers worked but she was a being who claimed to have no limits. Does this mean she's necessarily weaker then Thor...maybe..it can be interpreted in this way. However is there anything in that issue to imply that she's more powerful then the God of Thunder? I think not. Again I stress the vagueness of the power we are shown.
So to sum it up...in terms of power Storm showed her potential but the gauge in power was not on par with that of cosmic entities. And there was nothing that implied her power would reach that peak. And the fact that her comments in X-treme X-Men applies to ALL mutants furthers this point. If we go by your theory then ALL mutants according to Storm have the potential to become "Gods/Goddesses" in the cosmic sense. Beak and Angel inclusive which doesn't make much sense at all.
You mean this? In what sense does she mean Goddess. The power to fly in a humans eyes could be looked upon as Godly. Again as Magneto would say Mutants are Gods among Men.
BTW Something interesting I noticed her winds were 150 Knots in this issue. Which is around 172.8 mph. And well within her 300 mph cap.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Holy crap. Is Storm comparing her will to the holocaust? Somebody went out of their way to make that reference.
I kind of intepret the scan as referring to the effort in which the task itself involves not actually her will.(I suppose indirectly her will would be involved though).
However if word of mouth is taken with such precedence then does this mean Cyclops and Wolverine also have wills on par with Storm?
