Wookieepedia on the Makashi Form, Dooku's preferred lightsaber combat form
When ranged weapons such as blasters came into play or more than one opponent was present, however, the advantages of this form became somewhat obsolete.
Originally posted by Marxman
Dooku only wins this is he can keep them apart, probably using the Force against Maul, since he was known to be relatively weak in the Force, and fighting Qui-Gon one on one. If he can defeat Qui-Gon, he then moves onto Maul. But I see Maul and Qui-Gon winning this.
"Just because there are two of you do not assume you have the advantage". Another words Dooku doesnt care if there are multiple opponents, he is skilled enough to handle more than one enemy at a time. Also from Wookie...
Dooku was so well versed in lightsaber combat that he was able to hold his own against three or four opponents by himself despite the fact that Makashi was less efficient when faced with multiple opponents.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
"Just because there are two of you do not assume you have the advantage". Another words Dooku doesnt care if there are multiple opponents, he is skilled enough to handle more than one enemy at a time. Also from Wookie...Dooku was so well versed in lightsaber combat that he was able to hold his own against three or four opponents by himself despite the fact that Makashi was less efficient when faced with multiple opponents.
Yea but I'm sure "multiple opponents" didn't include two of the greatest lightsaber duelists of all time. Even with Obi-Wan and Anakin, he preferred to fight them one on one. In AOTC, he physically overwhelms Anakin with Force Lightning then taking on Obi-Wan. In ROTS, he chokes Obi-Wan then tosses him and causes a platform to fall down on him, then tries to take on Anakin alone.
Originally posted by Rampant ox
ROTS Anakin and Obi-Wan are uber. Maul and Jinn are not. Dooku physically couldnt handle both Anakin and Kenobi so he split them up. I doubt that Jinn and Maul will pose the same threat.
I disagree. Qui-Gon was hailed by his lightsaber instructor as one of the best duelist he has seen in over 400 years of teaching in the Jedi Order. Maul was a master of Juyo, Jar'Kai, and Teräs Käsi. The pair could easily take Obi-Wan and Anakin at the beginning of ROTS, IMO.
Originally posted by Marxman
I said relatively weak. He is Force sensitive and so has power in the Force. It just wasn't his strong point. He was a swordsman first.
Most of his force abilities are just letting him do better in combat, but, he has "Far superior dark side knowledge" compared to a Nightsister or Dormothir.
Originally posted by Marxman
I disagree. Qui-Gon was hailed by his lightsaber instructor as one of the best duelist he has seen in over 400 years of teaching in the Jedi Order. Maul was a master of Juyo, Jar'Kai, and Teräs Käsi. The pair could easily take Obi-Wan and Anakin at the beginning of ROTS, IMO.
no way...Anakin was somewhat prodigal and ob1 was THE master of his form...if OB1 beat Maul as a padawan (lucky or not) then he could get "lucky" again. Anakin was the most powerful at the time of ROTS, and his lightsaber skills were phenomenal obviously as he pwned dooku in a matter of seconds. Maul had a hard enough time with TPM ob1 and you saw what kind of problems QGJ had with Maul, so i don't see them pwning the ROTS duo by any means of the imagination. Plus, OB1 didn't even use his mastered form with Maul, as he used QGJ's and wasn't very proficient with it at that.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
Most of his force abilities are just letting him do better in combat, but, he has "Far superior dark side knowledge" compared to a Nightsister or Dormothir.
Yes but compared to Dooku? Dooku dominated Anakin with his Force lightning and choked and tossed Obi-Wan like a fcuking rag doll.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
no way...Anakin was somewhat prodigal and ob1 was THE master of his form...if OB1 beat Maul as a padawan (lucky or not) then he could get "lucky" again. Anakin was the most powerful at the time of ROTS, and his lightsaber skills were phenomenal obviously as he pwned dooku in a matter of seconds. Maul had a hard enough time with TPM ob1 and you saw what kind of problems QGJ had with Maul, so i don't see them pwning the ROTS duo by any means of the imagination. Plus, OB1 didn't even use his mastered form with Maul, as he used QGJ's and wasn't very proficient with it at that.
I guess you're entitled to your own opinion. But this is Qui-Gon and Maul vs Dooku, not Qui-Gon and Maul vs Obi-Wan and Anakin.
Thank you for clearing up the thread combatants...yes, I know this, but you made an assertion and I disagreed...obviously you felt the need to mention the ROTS duo, so my post was as relevant as yours. 😬 It was a comparative statement, drawing on the fighters abilities. It's been made clear that Anakin in his mid frame while pwning Dooku, is virtually unstoppable, hence why i see a flaw in your statement. All good though.
He has spent 80 years mastering Makashi.
He has been taught by both Yoda and Sidious.
I said relatively weak. He is Force sensitive and so has power in the Force. It just wasn't his strong point. He was a swordsman first.
And no, TPM Maul and Qui-Gon could not defeat ROTS Anakin and Obi-Wan, Maul could hold either of them off for a little while, I guess, and Qui-Gon vs. Kenobi would be drawn out due to Soresu so a battle between the two teams might last as long as, oh 3-4 minutes but the ROTS duo definitely wins.
Originally posted by darthsith19
[B]And Sidious ahs only spent what? Around 60 years mastering Ataru and he could take Dooku. Bane has spent less than a year studying Djem So at the end of PoD and he could at least give Dooku and great match. So your ideology that Dooku > Maul cause he's been studying his form for longer is flawed.
True I guess. But with your logic Yoda wouldnt be better than Maul with a blade, even though he has had centuries more training with it. While experience doesnt count for everything, more often than not it will give you the edge in a fight. Especially since with these years of training you have mastered your form and force abilities to the highest possible degree.
Oh, and Anakin's been tuaght by Kenobi, who is inferior to Yoda and Sidious, yes Anakin pwnd Dooku! ZOMG!
Hahaha fair enough. But being taught by the two most powerful force users of the era is most certainly an advantage. Anakin was the chosen one, he was going to be uber no matter who taught him.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Thank you for clearing up the thread combatants...yes, I know this, but you made an assertion and I disagreed...obviously you felt the need to mention the ROTS duo, so my post was as relevant as yours. 😬 It was a comparative statement, drawing on the fighters abilities. It's been made clear that Anakin in his mid frame while pwning Dooku, is virtually unstoppable, hence why i see a flaw in your statement. All good though.
I just don't see how Anakin>Dooku and Anakin+Obi-Wan>Qui-Gon+Maul adds anything to this debate since neither Anakin nor Obi-Wan is a factor.