Count Dooku vs. TPM Darth Maul & Qui-Gon · Star Wars Versus Forum

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Maul is probably close to ROTS Kenobi in lightsaber combat. Dooku is just a bit better than Kenobi in lightsaber combat and it will take him time to break Obi-Wan's powerful Soresu defense. Therefore, Maul might not certainly beat Tyrannus in a lightsaber contest, but yet he's certainly capable of lasting a minute or two.

((The_Anomaly)) 2003 Super Senior Member

Originally posted by General Kenobl
Maul is probably close to ROTS Kenobi in lightsaber combat. Dooku is just a bit better than Kenobi in lightsaber combat and it will take him time to break Obi-Wan's powerful Soresu defense. Therefore, Maul might not certainly beat Tyrannus in a lightsaber contest, but yet he's certainly capable of lasting a minute or two.

I agree with this.

HK69 Restricted

I don't, Dooku's leagues above Maul with a saber, Maul would be screwed against him.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Beating Jinn and Kenobi isnt anything special really.

Yes, it is. Kenobi is already a kevel 6 or 7 swordsman, not the strongest but allright, while Jinn is nearly as strong as Windu.

Jinn was aging and more than likely wasnt at his peak

Ahreed, but he wasn't far from it, and, in his TPM state, he was nearly as strong as Windu (since it's in the TPM novel that says this).

Kenobi was nothing more then a reckless apprentice.

Actually, for the msot part he seemed pretty calm to me, he wasn't like AOTC Anakin and he was already probably on the level of most knights. Taking him and someone close to Windu's level, 2 on 1, while not at your full strength, and being pretty much on par with them is saying something.

Besides, if I recall Maul lost that match anyway.

Due to Kenobi's luck. For 99% of the duel he was eitehr on par with them or winning. Surely him being at full strength would have gotten rid of that one percent.

We dont know how strong Mace was as of TPM, so we cant use that to guage Mauls abilities at all.

He led the Jedi during Jedi Council: Acts of War, he certainly didn't fight as good in it as he did in AOTC/ROTS but he still seemed to bethe strongest Jedi there. When he faught Dooku before TPM and lost how close was it?

But are you sure Maul didnt just catch Sidious by suprise?

I don't know, all I knmow is TNEGTC (the new essential guide to characters) states that they faught and Maul enarly killed him.

if it was we could say that TPM Kenobi is better than he actually is because he caught Maul by suprise and nearly bet him (in fact he did beat him).

Yes, he did, but Maul was cocky, any Sith would have been - Sidious and Maul's was actually a duel.

I dont know about this Anoon Bondara person. I find it very hard to beleive that they were the Ordes Finest. Especially when this Order comprised of Yoda and probably Dooku at that time. So while I think Maul is good, he has nothing on Dooku.

I find it hard to believe, too. But both Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter and The Cestus Deception state that she is "The Order's Finest Swordsman" and "second to none". And Maul beat her. So, going by that logic, as far as sword skills go, Maul > Anoon > Yoda > Dooku.

EDIT: I dont see anywhere in TPM Visual Dictionary that states Mauls saber skills are better than Sidious' own. Can you provide a page number please.

Sorry, I can't, I don't own the book and haven't actually seen it myself. Someone told me it said that and I assumed they were telling the truth.

He completely mastered Juyo. Even thought it was considered incomplete, the way Maul used it was a force to be reckoned with.

No, Juyo was 100% complete. Vaapad, which was a variation of Dooku, wasn't 100% complete. But Juyo was. Dooku didn't use Juyo ever - that scene in AOTC was deleted and in EU Dooku states his distaste for that form.

I don't, Dooku's leagues above Maul with a saber, Maul would be screwed against him.

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General Kenobl [:::::{============)

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Marxman Resident Communist

Originally posted by darthsith19
No, Juyo was 100% complete. Vaapad, which was a variation of Dooku, wasn't 100% complete. But Juyo was. Dooku didn't use Juyo ever - that scene in AOTC was deleted and in EU Dooku states his distaste for that form.bye

Actually...

Wookieepedia on Juyo/Vaapad
Dubbed the Way of the Vornskr or The Ferocity Form, Juyo, a term from High Galactic, was originally considered an incomplete form for millennia. Generally viewed as undeveloped and rarely used by the Jedi and the Sith, Juyo was not seen as one of the main forms for generations of Jedi. Jedi Master Mace Windu developed his own Form VII, which was nicknamed Vaapad after a creature from Sarapin which moved with speed similar to Vaapad.

But that's neither here nor there.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Generally isn't considered complete. So sometimes it is. Could you post a link to that wiki article?

LORDSIDIOUS01 The BatLord of the Jedi

Maul and Jinn easily

General Kenobl [:::::{============)

O rly?

Marxman Resident Communist

Originally posted by darthsith19
Generally isn't considered complete. So sometimes it is. Could you post a link to that wiki article?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Juyo

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Count with combination of his superior force powers and lightsaber proves beats them with little difficulty.