Originally posted by Desaad
Nothing delusional about it.
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Of course there is. And my guess is, you know it.
The fact that every encounter they've ever had either goes to Hal or is a stalemate SHOULD indicate something to you, but of course it doesn't. The fact that we've seen lesser GL's give Supes a run and - hey! - even beat him, should indicate something to ya...but of course, it doesn't.
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since the encounters that 'go' to Hal have ohave only ever been situations hwere Superman was deliberately holding back(at a lesser powerlevel than the present) or someone else used speculative tactics against Superman using weakness exploitations, and the fact that Hal coulsn't do much to Superman while going all out against Superman in thier last encounter(wwhile, yet again, Superman was holding back) And the fact that Hal flat out stated that Superman was more powerful, never mind Superman substantially superior levels when it comes to reltive power showings--and I'm afraid the facts don't agree with you here, Astro, sorry.
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"In some ways, he's more powerful than all of us combined". Or something to that effect, no? Thats YOU saying that it ONLY has to do with versatility, not the comic book itself.
If you want to make that jump, thats fine. I can see where you are coming from. But that is your own interpretation.
As usual, you're purposely not telling the whole truth of the matter.
It is the clear and blatant implication stated by the text:
http://img144.exs.cx/img144/8404/dcpgl1109sa.jpg
"The rest of us are limited by our PHYSICAL abilties..but the wearer of a power ring is limited only by his imagination"
The imagination is what determines a GL's VERSATILITY, since they can apply thier power any way their imagination can think of. WILLPOWER is what determines power levels for GLs, not imagination. the JLA is largely limited in their applications due to physiolugy. GL's don't have this limitation. this is a VERSATILITY comparison, nothing more.
then after amking a comparison that refers ONLY to versatililty, as anyone who is familliar with these characters is aware of..
"In SOME ways" is nlatantly a referal to comparatively versatililty. Only a truly irrational personality would bleieve that this would be an instance of hal being proclaimedas more powerful than the entire Justice League combinedfor RAW power. the ONLY power attribute he has that could be said to eclipse the League combined is in versatililty.
What specifically are you referring to, by the way, in terms of "Superman is more powerful"? Because we've certainly seen Hal protect Supes from things that seemed like they might cause him some serious harm.
what, you mean the Byrne era anti-energy mines that measured in the megatons for damage?
Is thier a reason why you consistently refuse to acknowledge the fact that Superman is far more powerful now?
nowadays he dives through red suns, and withstands supernovas while weakened.
and yeah, i'm reffering to the time in 'last will and testament' where hal specifically stated that while he was powerful, compared to his power, Superman was "like a God." and this is a pre-Death- level Superman,
The degree to which he's been powered up is not agreed upon by any means. His power ups are typical Iron Man power ups, but for a few special additions (no need to breathe, freeze breath).
i'll agree that the degree is not always the same, vuut to insinuate that the power ups are basically meaningless is Rediculous and borderline insane. His literal former clones are his blatant inferiors(Eradicator, Cyborg Superman). Beings who trashed earlier, he can now stalemate and defeat with ease. Darkseid, for one, commented on his increased power level. Kalibak, his former peer, is now a nuisance. Among heroes his rivalries have largely been maintained however. His power increase has been remarkably consistent for the past 8 years.
To compare his power ups to Iron Man is to be deliberately self-delusional and in denial about the fact that he is stronger, tougher, faster, more powerful, etc across the board. Captain Marvel will always be his rival, and that doesn't change the facts about his increases any more than Thor physically stalemating Hulk change the fact about Hulk's status as Marvel's #1 for strength..
The man was just shown shattering the barriers of space and time while stalemating punch for punch the Earth 2 Superman. theres absolutely no way you could come to the conclusion that Superman's power ups have been meaningless when we've seen him do shit like that, withstanding everything Hal could throw at him in stride, etc.
His low ends are higher, his high end feats are much higher, and his averageis indisputable high. He competes at a higher elvel and has withstood, matched, and outperformed beings on a level he formerly couldn't match. Superman is MUCH more powerful than he was in the Byrne Era, and substantially more powerful than he was in the Post Death/pre-Loeb Era.
And lets not forget that Hal's skills have only been increasing since he's become a GL...that rookie Hal was leagues below current Hal. That focusing ones will power is like using a muscle, and that it only gets stronger with time (Hal's words, not mine).
Fair enough. but Hal has never, ever occupied the position that Superman has in regards to relative power level to the degree that Superman can claim.
He just doesn't.
and he was recently quite blatantly portrayed as superior to Hal a few months ago.
He most certainly is, in my estimation.
so Hal's powerful enough to withstand the full Omega Effect, deflect it, and blast Darkseid into submission, then? 😛
Hal has never been the Most Powerful Being on Earth consistently. Superman has been, to a degree that Hal can never claim.
Not too shabby.This the only board you post on now? [/B]
nah, i'm on a bunch more, DCboards, pcs, others.
