Originally posted by quanchi112Lol, you don't know jack, about anything. The problem with your opinion is, you have no foundation to hold it up. Most of the time, when your debating, you use "darkseid was to chicken to stop yuga khan thanos to takes over the universe", an excuse, to carry your argument. None of that means jackshit, for a versus match. We don't use a character's personallity traits, or accomplishments, we use their POWERSET, to determine the outcome.
i dont know who u think u are but u dont have the right to tell anyone their opinion is crap. me step my game up. i have proven u wrong in the past. many times. u claimed yuga khan startled darkseid until i let u know otherwise. u said neat when u saw a scan of new gods playing with marbkle worlfds. meaning u didnt know till then. u claimed thor with the power gem beat thanos until i told u otherwise. if anyone needs to step his game up and actually read the comics he is referring to its u.
For example, lets say Thanos has more accomplishments, than Surtur, but none of that will help him in a fight. This isn't a forum, where you explain how a charater is cooler, here you have to use feats to determine if a charater is more powerful, than another.
You don't do ANY of this, which is why you incite, many posters. When you debate like that, it makes you look like a Marvel fanboy. And fanboyism is looked down upon, around here. I would suggest you change your attitude, or else your credibility, will be down to zero.
Originally posted by darthgoober
So if you don't have the answers, then you have to admit that it doesn't, make sense to say that Mxy and Joker interfered with the outcome of the battle. And if it doesn't make sense that they would have and it's never actually stated that they did, then the way I see it NOTHING gets thrown out. I mean, why throw out legitimate evidence purely on speculation?
You are throwing out evidence that they had a hand in it. We dont' know at what point they had a hand in what. But we do know they had a hand in it. Which invalidates all of it. Unless you really think batman can pwn a doomsday clone with a batarang.
Originally posted by darthgoober
There's still not enough evidence to throw everything out. Mxy likes to play by the rules right? Well if HE interfered that would have meant that the Joker would have interfered which means that the whole damn thing could have been resolved by the two of them fighting rather than the game since it would've essentially came down to which of the two of them was the more powerful. Think about it....1. How was it a test for Supes and Bats if Joker and Mxy were amping everyone up?
2. Why was Supes piece still on the board and face to face with DS if the outcome of the battles was decided by the actions of the pieces?
1. It wasn't a test. Joker was trying to win and get back the power of Mxy.
and They were interfering. Both of them.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11182
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11183
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11175
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11176
Here's another weird instance.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11184
this speaks for itself.
The canonicity of not only the issue, but the entire run is in question. 😬
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
1. It wasn't a test. Joker was trying to win and get back the power of Mxy.and They were interfering. Both of them.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11182
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11183http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11175
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11176Here's another weird instance.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11184this speaks for itself.
The canonicity of not only the issue, but the entire run is in question. 😬
Take Special note at how far back they are watching and influencing events. All the way back when Superman was energy.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are throwing out evidence that they had a hand in it. We dont' know at what point they had a hand in what. But we do know they had a hand in it. Which invalidates all of it. Unless you really think batman can pwn a doomsday clone with a batarang.
Originally posted by darthgoober
No I'm ACCEPTING the evidence that they had a hand in the match ups(the only thing that's solidly established), but I'm not going to throw the whole damn thing out just because they helped get the fighters in the same place. The Presence technically has a hand in EVERYTHING in DC, but does that mean that we throw out EVERY feat that any DC character has ever accomplished because it wasn't specifically stated that there was no divine intervention involved? You point me to the part of the story where it's stated that they had anything to do with the outcome and you'll have a case, until then it's all just speculating.
It's not speculation. If you choose not to accept it that is fine. They are shown more than once interfering. It's not up for debate. If you chose to accept it,fine. If you don't , i'm not going to lose sleep over it.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
1. It wasn't a test. Joker was trying to win and get back the power of Mxy.and They were interfering. Both of them.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11182
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11183http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11175
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11176Here's another weird instance.
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/supbat.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=11184this speaks for itself.
The canonicity of not only the issue, but the entire run is in question. 😬
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It's not speculation. If you choose not to accept it that is fine. They are shown more than once interfering. It's not up for debate. If you chose to accept it,fine. If you don't , i'm not going to lose sleep over it.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah, all those scans you showed were from the same issue and it was when everything was coming to a head. Show me a scan of their involvement in the outcome of the initial battle between Supes and DS.
Use your noodle for a minute. Think about the time between the Emporer joker saga and that superman batman 25 book. Now also think about the fact that they are looking at and influencing battles as far back as when Superman was an energy creature, becuz we know time means nothing to imps. We also see them using chess pieces to effect the outcome of things, they are playing a game. Don't you see. Joker wants them dead. mxy does not.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Use your noodle for a minute. Think about the time between the Emporer joker saga and that superman batman 25 book. Now also think about the fact that they are looking at and influencing battles as far back as when Superman was an energy creature, becuz we know time means nothing to imps. We also see them using chess pieces to effect the outcome of things, they are playing a game. Don't you see. Joker wants them dead. mxy does not.
Originally posted by darthgoober
*Sigh* Where are they shown to be manipulating things back when it was energy Supes?
Look at the screen. Anyway, It's clear they are manipulating things. Joker wants them dead as part of his "plan". Mxy doesn't. They are indeed playing a game and they are influencing the outcome.
Originally posted by TheGame17
haha? 😕that feat beats the **** out of anything superman has ever done. 😐
here's another one: darkseid has defeated the entire JLA, including superman. is that not enough for you, or does darkseid need to destroy a universe in order to win your approval?
It's both hilarious and disgusting at the same time.