The Real War: Cristianity vS. Islam

Originally posted by muslimscholar
muhammed in his whole life never killed anyone with his own hands never so why lie why confuse people with all ur shit and the killing of the jews was because of a battle and they where all slain

a jewish women tried to kill the prophet by poisoning him but god saved him

Truth will not confuse the people.

Sahih Al-bukhari, vol 8, book 82, Hadith 795 -

''The pophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.''

Originally posted by grey fox
Nope.

The crusades were ignorance , though at the time the entire world was pretty frikkin ignorant ( save for most Arabic/Roman countries)

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No, no they are definitely not the same entity. They are much too different and teach different things to be the same.

Islam and Christian nations will never ever get along.......Never.....This is why we must nuke them........ 😈 😉

And blame it on God for chosing Isac instead of Ishmale.

Originally posted by Nellinator

[QUOTE=8151443]Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
[B]Its so much worse than that

Allah, Adoni/El and The Lord/God are all the same entity so the fight is over who God didn't lie to in scripture. (Seems kinda mean not to come down and just tell us if it exists)

A) Jesus was Jewish
B) People knew what god he was talking about so it must be Adonai
C) Mohommad was contacted by an angel of the god of Abraham who was at the time going by the name Allah

so yes they are all the same deity

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Truth will not confuse the people.

Sahih Al-bukhari, vol 8, book 82, Hadith 795 -

[b]''The pophet cut off the hands and feet of the men belonging to the tribe of Uraina and did not cauterise (their bleeding limbs) till they died.'' [/B]

please don't lie i beg you don't here is the hadith you are quoting

Volume 8, Book 82, Number 794:

Narrated Anas:

Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die.

liars never win

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A) Jesus was Jewish
B) People knew what god he was talking about so it must be Adonai
C) Mohommad was contacted by an angel of the god of Abraham who was at the time going by the name Allah

so yes they are all the same deity

Originally posted by muslimscholar
please don't lie i beg you don't here is the hadith you are quoting

Volume 8, Book 82, Number 794:

Narrated Anas:

Some people from the tribe of 'Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam. The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch) camels of charity and to drink, their milk and urine (as a medicine). They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment (became healthy) they turned renegades (reverted from Islam) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were (caught and) brought, and the [B]Prophets ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron, and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterized, till they die.

liars never win [/B]

So, as long as you have someone else do your killing, you are ok? There are judges in US history that were known as hanging judges, but there never killed anyone.

A.) People that worship Allah worship the god of the Jews, as they worship the god of Jesus (seeing as he's a prophet in Islam) and the god of Abraham, thus the Jewish god. The name of god is irrelevant, names are changed by followers. Like many other things like Jesus his birthday.

B.) See above

C.) We are in an era of grace? With the crusades the inquisition? Nuclear Bombs? Religious wars even fought today? We are not in an era of grace at all. Unless you would call grace, wars, plagues, terror, starvation and countless of other stuff.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, as long as you have someone else do your killing, you are ok? There are judges in US history that were known as hanging judges, but there never killed anyone.

Agreed here, it makes no difference whether he ordered the killing or did the actual killing, none at all.

However the reason for the murders changes heavily when you read the two texts, in one it's punishment for betrayal which according to some Christians grants you the worst place in hell, where you will suffer more then anywhere else or just the killing of some people he beat.

So really being killed or being send to the worst place in hell? I'd prefer the first really... Especially if I wouldn't go into hell after that, or at least not the worst part.

Doesn't excuse his actions but really it's far from as bad as it looked at first.

Originally posted by Nellinator

a) Yes, Allah is Muslim not Jewish.
b) God's name is clearly Jehovah (or Yaweh which ever way you like it) and is never referenced as being anything different. Adonai is the Greek word substituted for Jehovah.
c) Why would God change his name and completely change hsi message after he sent his last prophet? Jesus fulfilled the Law and we in an era of grace, Islam does not teach that. They are different gods.

A) I don't follow
B) The name doesn't matter (I was just showing that it changed over time)
C) Dunno (Maybe watching us is how God has fun)

they are the same gods

Judiasm being the oldest sets the pattern
Christianity claims that it's savior is the son of the Jewish god
Islam being the most recent says they are for example:

"It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)"

taken from the Koran (muslimscholar if I'm wrong I apologize)

Originally posted by Fishy
A.) People that worship Allah worship the god of the Jews, as they worship the god of Jesus (seeing as he's a prophet in Islam) and the god of Abraham, thus the Jewish god. The name of god is irrelevant, names are changed by followers. Like many other things like Jesus his birthday.

B.) See above

C.) We are in an era of grace? With the crusades the inquisition? Nuclear Bombs? Religious wars even fought today? We are not in an era of grace at all. Unless you would call grace, wars, plagues, terror, starvation and countless of other stuff.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Islam and Christian nations will never ever get along.......Never.....This is why we must nuke them........ 😈 😉

And blame it on God for chosing Isac instead of Ishmale.

😂

....striking the match on a gasoline soaked bridge, eh?

Originally posted by Nellinator
a) They do not worship Jesus, they do not worship the god of the Jews, they don't even believe that Jesus was crucified (despite there being strong evidence that he was).
b) God's name is not irrelevant. If you understood Hebrew and the complex rules involving God's name in Jewish tradition you would understand that God's name is extremely important. Especially when we are given authority to do things in His name, not the name Allah.
c) Under the grace of God through free forgiveness. What people do has nothing to do with it.

A) Strong evidence? Please show me, the Muslims at least acknowledge Jesus as a prophet and admit that he was alive. They just don't call him the son of God, Jews just deny his existence entirely... But please just prove the entire Muslim and Jewish religion wrong and show prove (outside of the bible) that Jesus was indeed crucified.

B) We celebrate the birthday of the son of god on the wrong date, hell even our years are off... What does the name of God matter? There are probably a lot of Christians out there that don't even know the name of God. That will think that Jehovah is just some strange sect of religious creeps. They pray to God, if God is shallow enough to care about names then God is not worthy of being worshipped.

C.) And Muslims do not accept that God can be merciful and forgive people? They do not accept that Jesus is the only way into heaven, which is to be honest kinda cruel of God. Of course there alternative isn't much better but still...

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
If Karen Armstrong is wrong, is Reza Aslan wrong as well? You're right though, I haven't read the Quran. That's why I rely on the experts in the feild. And it's not just one expert.

In regards to colonialization, it does have a direct effect on the level of fanatacism and the explosion of fundamentalism. It's not just in the middle east, but in Asia and India as well. That is undisputable.

And, as I said in my post, the Quran is likely filled with just as much second hand crap as is the bible. But, I also said that Mohammad was a general. I have no doubt he raised his sword. But that doesn't mean he called for it.

I'm not quite as stupid as you must think I am.

As for your attitude towards me, I'm not sure where that's coming from.

I have no impled you ae stupid, no have I called you that.

I am rather suprised you comment on something with such a tone of voice as you are uterly familiar with it, just by reading an article by Karen Armstrong. Out of character.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A) I don't follow
B) The name doesn't matter (I was just showing that it changed over time)
C) Dunno (Maybe watching us is how God has fun)

they are the same gods

Judiasm being the oldest sets the pattern
Christianity claims that it's savior is the son of the Jewish god
Islam being the most recent says they are for example:

"It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)"

taken from the Koran (muslimscholar if I'm wrong I apologize)

Yes, but they do not actually believe the gospel of Jesus. The gospel (ie. good news) of Jesus is that he died on the cross for the forgiveness of sins and rose again giving us victory over sin. Jesus did this in fulfillment of the law (something he clearly claimed to do) and as fulfillment of prophecy from the Law and the prophets. If the Muslims can't believe this they do not believe the gospel of Jesus despite the claims of the Quran.

Originally posted by Nellinator
They are different gods.

Allah and God are one and the same.

Originally posted by Fishy
A.) People that worship Allah worship the god of the Jews, as they worship the god of Jesus (seeing as he's a prophet in Islam) and the god of Abraham, thus the Jewish god. The name of god is irrelevant, names are changed by followers.

Well said.

Originally posted by Nellinator
a) They do not worship Jesus, they do not worship the god of the Jews, they don't even believe that Jesus was crucified (despite there being strong evidence that he was).
b) God's name is not irrelevant. If you understood Hebrew and the complex rules involving God's name in Jewish tradition you would understand that God's name is extremely important. Especially when we are given authority to do things in His name, not the name Allah.
c) Under the grace of God through free forgiveness. What people do has nothing to do with it.

I think this is false-no offense. 😉

Originally posted by Nellinator

Yes, but they do not actually believe the gospel of Jesus. The gospel (ie. good news) of Jesus is that he died on the cross for the forgiveness of sins and rose again giving us victory over sin. Jesus did this in fulfillment of the law (something he clearly claimed to do) and as fulfillment of prophecy from the Law and the prophets. If the Muslims can't believe this they do not believe the gospel of Jesus despite the claims of the Quran.

my satement had nothing to do with belief or faith

it had to do with the historical fact that Judaism, Christianity and Islam all worship the same god just using a different name and teachings

Originally posted by Fishy
A) Strong evidence? Please show me, the Muslims at least acknowledge Jesus as a prophet and admit that he was alive. They just don't call him the son of God, Jews just deny his existence entirely... But please just prove the entire Muslim and Jewish religion wrong and show prove (outside of the bible) that Jesus was indeed crucified.

B) We celebrate the birthday of the son of god on the wrong date, hell even our years are off... What does the name of God matter? There are probably a lot of Christians out there that don't even know the name of God. That will think that Jehovah is just some strange sect of religious creeps. They pray to God, if God is shallow enough to care about names then God is not worthy of being worshipped.

C.) And Muslims do not accept that God can be merciful and forgive people? They do not accept that Jesus is the only way into heaven, which is to be honest kinda cruel of God. Of course there alternative isn't much better but still...

Then we have the Roman Tacitus in 115 AD who wrote:

"Christus from whom the name had its origin (this is a reference to Christians), suffered the extreme penalty (ie. crucification) during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate..."

That is two very different sources (neither friendly to the Christians) from outside the Bible indicating the death of Jesus by crucifiction. The Bible itself is amazing historically accurate adding to the credit of this story.

B) The name is important because in the name (ie. that is one name) of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit we are to be baptized according to the gospel of Jesus. We are also commanded to pray daily in the name of Jesus. The name is extremely important.

C) Not really. If I understand Muslim theology, there is nothing really about forgiveness, just the balancing of deeds.