Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If they have to face the Mighty Avengers and Strange isn't there they're royally screwed. Even with him there, iirc Sentry overcame Strange's magic. 😬
Pretty much, I don't see how they can compete unless the secret character is Thor or watch Tony Stark as a major shocker. Yeah and Sentry made out with the Void afterwards...cooky
The way I see it, they're either going to have to
a) depower Strange... a lot... like a lot a lot
b) make him have practically nothing to do with the day-to-day activities of the team - maybe just provide transport and an HQ in the Sanctum Sanctorum
or
c) have every single issue being the other 7 characters engaged in a tough battle, nearly lose, and then have Strange save the day.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The way I see it, they're either going to have toa) depower Strange... a lot... like a lot a lot
b) make him have practically nothing to do with the day-to-day activities of the team - maybe just provide transport and an HQ in the Sanctum Sanctorum
or
c) have every single issue being the other 7 characters engaged in a tough battle, nearly lose, and then have Strange save the day.
They have, they even admited it. They said he needs to meditate just to go into astral form but he could do it without doing that
and pretty much, I just hope they have some other heavy hitter or they will be in trouble unless their powers combined have the greatest PIS/CIS any team ever has.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Of course, because people wanted to know what happened to them afterwards. We still didn't even find out. The outrage came out of New Avengers #16 and continued for months afterwards.No, but you compare what New Avengers have done it's very very very very low on the totem pole. They really havn't done anything major and that's a fact. Their stories wern't even that interesting and that's why I dropped it. Luke Cage civil war tie-in is what I feel the best in the series. The annual was another great comic, but the rest were meh!
That doesn't make sense. If one issue is billed as their final battle why would you look to the latter issues to find out what happened. Also we get confirmation that the team has in fact bit the dust in issue 17 so why did numbers continue to climb for 18, 19 and 20?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
IIRC Captain America wanted to assemble a new team of Avengers, with the instigating factor being that a large number of villains had escaped from The Raft - something they never particularly followed up on that I can remember.Luke Cage, Spider-Woman, Wolverine and Spider-Man are the returning members of the NA. The latter two being there at all I've always seen as more of a marketing device. If they had done anything particularly noteworthy in the past two years then I might see your point more, but they didn't really. I don't particularly see Luke Cage as a tie that binds such a ragtag group, in the same way a Captain America, or even an Iron Man could.
Like I said it might work. I dunno. Still find it random.
Also I think you're overreacting a little bit to these less-than-scathing criticisms.
Edit: Oh, and I just can't personally see Luke Cage ordering around the Sorcerer Supreme, just as I couldn't see him telling Uatu or Roma or the Silver Surfer what to do. Just seems off.
I don't understand where you're going with this. You said before that the team seems random and I said considering they were for the most part a team before and during Civil War it makes sense they'd stick together afterwards. Not sure where that other stuff comes in. Btw, not sure how I'm overreacting. I see something I don't think is right so I address it. I, at least I hope, that I'm being civil.
Also, guess I'm more used to Bendis' Cage. In HoM Cage was leading the resistance, plus in NA it was obvios Bendis was grooming him for a bigger role. I guess Strange, while he strikes me as the guy who'll ignore you and do his own thing doesn't seem like he'll tell you to shove it if you give him a command.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Basically the Ronin ark somewhat did as the Silver Samauri escaped from the Raft however, they havn't been persuing the criminals other than thatEven in Defenders Strange never really took orders, Nighthawk couldn't give him any
Eh, The Ronin arc was pretty pointless. Just used to reinforce concepts already established (Jess working both sides, SHIELD being corrupt, etc). And then the reveal that Ronin, a very built individual, is Echo (a character I loved from Mack's run on Daredevil) was a big letdown imo.
Originally posted by marvelprince
That doesn't make sense. If one issue is billed as their final battle why would you look to the latter issues to find out what happened. Also we get confirmation that the team has in fact bit the dust in issue 17 so why did numbers continue to climb for 18, 19 and 20?Eh, The Ronin arc was pretty pointless. Just used to reinforce concepts already established (Jess working both sides, SHIELD being corrupt, etc). And then the reveal that Ronin, a very built individual, is Echo (a character I loved from Mack's run on Daredevil) was a big letdown imo.
Because we wanted to know if they were killed or not. Don't you remember the huge uproar? Interviews after the incident from Bendis directly comments there is something to come from Alpha Flight and at that time we didn't know what. Then several interviews from Joe made comments about Alpha Flight, and how they would be getting a push
It was pointless, I didn't like it one bit.
Originally posted by marvelprinceNo, you're being perfectly civil, but these aren't exactly really harsh criticisms. Not everyone is going to like it, or think this line up is a good fit, while I'm sure others will like it. I just happen to be one of the former. They seem random to me, even pre-CW they did, but then they were tied together by veteran Avengers. It's just a personal feeling of randomness.
I don't understand where you're going with this. You said before that the team seems random and I said considering they were for the most part a team before and during Civil War it makes sense they'd stick together afterwards. Not sure where that other stuff comes in. Btw, not sure how I'm overreacting. I see something I don't think is right so I address it. I, at least I hope, that I'm being civil.Also, guess I'm more used to Bendis' Cage. In HoM Cage was leading the resistance, plus in NA it was obvios Bendis was grooming him for a bigger role. I guess Strange, while he strikes me as the guy who'll ignore you and do his own thing doesn't seem like he'll tell you to shove it if you give him a command.
The Collective arc also seemed somewhat pointless to me btw... the only book that has really dealt with HoM is X-Factor.
Originally posted by King_Mungi
Because we wanted to know if they were killed or not. Don't you remember the huge uproar? Interviews after the incident from Bendis directly comments there is something to come from Alpha Flight and at that time we didn't know what. Then several interviews from Joe made comments about Alpha Flight, and how they would be getting a pushIt was pointless, I didn't like it one bit.
But wouldn't the fans be more interested in the issue that is billed as their final battle as opposed to issues that didn't even mentioned them in solicits
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
No, you're being perfectly civil, but these aren't exactly really harsh criticisms. Not everyone is going to like it, or think this line up is a good fit, while I'm sure others will like it. I just happen to be one of the former. They seem random to me, even pre-CW they did, but then they were tied together by veteran Avengers. It's just a personal feeling of randomness.The Collective arc also seemed somewhat pointless to me btw... the only book that has really dealt with HoM is X-Factor.
I understand your stance. Just giving my two cents on why I felt it wasn't random. All imo of course.
I didn't like the Collective much either. I didn't think it was bad, but for such an immense threat the severity of the situation failed to grab me. For my taste it was a little too out there and frankly for such a "big" threat very little was done to make me care. Most interesting parts of the story was Spider-Man on the helicarrier and the reintroduction of Daisy Johnson.
Originally posted by marvelprince
But wouldn't the fans be more interested in the issue that is billed as their final battle as opposed to issues that didn't even mentioned them in solicits
Have you seen the actual issue? it was an insult to AF, they were killed off-panel people were going to boycott New Avengers till Bendis the day after made his comments. They appeared in a total of two pages, but New Avengers #17 showed them fighting the Collective but only one panel.
There were those who wanted to see Wolverine's reaction seeing his "parents" die. However, Bendis really didn't do anything in that regard.