Originally posted by carver9
You have as of yet to even prove he starts where you think he starts at so I don't even get what you mean by how his powers work. Let's not make up things handbook guy.WTF. Grey Hulk stomped Super Skrull and what does that have to do with strength? It's not like Super Skrull overpowered Hulk or anything and you must don't know about Skrull? The same guy who gives Surfer and Blood and Thunder Thor fits.
😐 Pineapple Thing was class 100. Also, Grey Hulk could lose to Toad, that doesn't take away from a thing I said. His fts along with his pyramid fts is high class 100. Don't care what you think in that head of yours...provide scans backing your claim. She Hulk is class 85 and Grey Hulk treated her like fodder which again proves your terrible claim wrong. Grey Hulk has class 100 showing, when he gets enraged he turns to Savage Hulk who is a far more powerful version.
How about this, provide proof. All the evidence goes against what you are saying (don't even know where you got that from in the first place. Is that a forum myth). I'm not going to keep posting scans to a guy that is acting stubborn. Provide evidence or stop bringing it up.
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You're obviously unable to keep up. Maybe I need to explain this to you like I would a child. Okay are you ready? The Hulk does not have a set level. Are you still with me up until this point? Because he does not have a set level, he does not always begin his battles at the same level of strength. So since we know this, there are times that he is weaker than other times. There have been several Hulk personality splits in the character's history. Do I need scans to prove this, or is this something that you are aware of?
Let's quickly run through the different personalities, in the hope that you are capable of comprehending.
The Grey Hulk - This was the weakest Hulk due to his base strength level (in a calm state), and because it generally took him longer than any other Hulk personality to ramp up in strength. He began at low to mid meta strength more times than not (again this is him in a calm state). This does not mean that he could not make it up to High Herald and beyond in terms of strength/power/durability/regeneration. Are you still with me? I am talking about how his powers actually work based on the people that created the character and his various personalities.
Savage Hulk - His base or calm state was Mid - High Meta depending on the situation. According to the people that created the character, it took him about 5 minutes to ramp up to Thor's level of strength, which is somewhere between Mid - High Herald. Thor may have a certain amount of dynamic strength because there have been cases that he has exceeded these constraints, but then again most characters do. No? He never began out at these levels? If not then how in the world was Captain America, or Spider Man able to punch him out? Do you need scans?
Merged Hulk - Had Mid to High Herald strength. He had a problem with his rage meter. This made him revert to human form, while regressing to an infantile state of intelligence. Are we in agreement?
Green Scar - In his calm state he walked around at High Herald strength levels, and could control his adrenaline levels to the point that he was able to ramp up to undefined levels of strength near instantaneously. This was shown during the HOTM arc. It was also written up as canon for the character throughout Planet Hulk all the way through to the Heart of Monster story line. The other Hulk's did not possess this ability based on the canon of the character. Do you agree?
The Indestructible Hulk - This is just another take on the Savage Hulk. He has not done anything that the Savage Hulk has not been able to do in the past in terms of the magnitude of his upper level feats.
Doc Green - Has yet to be defined.
Now to my point. Every Hulk that has been written, with the exception of Merged Hulk (to a point), to have a calm state. In this state he is not as strong as he is when he has been enraged for a predetermined period of time. This means that he does not begin off at the High Herald level of strength. If, he did begin off at this level, he would have automatically wiped the floor with Thor, the Abomination, Hercules, and several other characters that he has contended with in the past. Do I have to explain why this is to you Carver? Maybe I should, because up until this point, you don't seem to have the ability to grasp the concept of how the Hulk's power/s works.
If the Hulk began at the exact same strength level as Thor, he would have begun destroying him in less than 5 minutes. Are you able to understand why this is? The Hulk has also had it out with the Abomination time after time, and we literally see the disparity in their strength levels from the onset of combat. The Abomination has always started off trashing the Hulk with his Mid - High Herald level strength. The only reason that he did not kill the Hulk all of those times, was due to CIS and PIS. Blonsky would always stop beating the shit out of the Hulk, and take time to gloat about how he was going to do this and that. This gave the Hulk the time to catch up to him, and ultimately surpass his strength level. Do you need scans?
Now let's say that Beta Ray Bill, and Thor were unwilling to stand about talking about how big their muscles were, and actually dug into his ass from the onset of the battle. I mean without giving him a moment to breathe. They would KO him in less time than the Abomination could have, but did not, due to being plagued with CIS brought on by the PIS that those books were based on. Always keep in mind that those moments were foretold by the writers, and that he was always supposed to lose to the Hulk, despite having the ability to wipe the floor with him.
If we look at it from your perspective, The Hulk begins at High Herald level strength, and by the time 5 minutes would elapse, he would be comfortably in the High Trans tier in terms of strength/durability/regenerative levels. And every fight that he has had with Thor/Abomination/Hercules, and every other High Herald was PIS. Is this how people should see the Hulk? Now before you begin typing out all of the reason why you believe that I am incorrect. I want you to think about this one simple concept. The Hulk does not ever begin off at the same level of strength, because the situations that cause Bruce banner to change into the Hulk vary. For example; If he sees a child about to be hit by a train, and changes into the Hulk to save him or her, his level of stress would not be the same as if he as Bruce Banner changed into the Hulk because he was afraid of being stuck by a needle while at his dentist. The handbooks give us a generalization, or average median of what level he typically begins off at. However his strength has been written to drop when he is in a calm state.
