Originally posted by Stoic
Why would I show you scans that you already posted? Is something wrong with you? Honest question.Correct. 👆
I want you to show me which scan you are talking about with them aiding Hulk because I think I missed that part.
Lol...how will Hulk make them work for it if he starts below HIGH herald strength and loses to Abomination, someone that both Hercule and Thor has owned per your admission? Using your logic, Hulk would get one paneled.
Originally posted by carver9
😐Ok, so what we have here is Grey Hulk is more powerful than Green Hulk, Hercules, and Thor but when it comes to the people that has given Thor fit's but Hulk taking them out easily, it doesn't count.
Prove that Hulk was pumped up in that fight. Prove it.
What fights of Abomination and Hulk are you talking about?
Who is contradicting anything? Abomination hasn't had a clear win over Hulk in yrs, so that tells you who is stronger.
Again, when has Abomination got a clear win over Hulk? You keep bringing this up, show some scans.
Are you a weirdo or something? Grey Hulk beating Abomination doesn't go against what I said, it means that Abomination sucks just like Rhino sucks who tends to be class 80 but loses consistently against anyone he face weaker than him or the Wrecker who is blessed with godly powers but lose to people like Luke Cage and Ironfist. Abomination sucks, badly and isn't a good person to base a judgement on power levels off of...especially since he tends to get worked by Hulk as well, along with.
Me sinking myself? You honestly don't know what you are talking about and are clearly denying everything that is being posted off of your faded memory, Hulk master.
You don't seem to understand the words dynamic strength. You don't understand that the Hulk does not begin at the same level either, and that it is the stimuli that changes him in the first place that dictates the level of strength that he begins at. This also applies for the Grey Hulk. However like I have been trying to tell you this entire time, when he is in a calm state, he is no where near High Herald in terms of strength.
You on the other hand take things personally like it was some type on assault on your person, when Spider man, and Captain America KO'd the Hulk when he was at a weaker level of strength. The Grey Hulk can surpass Hercules' level of strength but this does not mean that he begins off stronger than Hercules on average. Do you understand what average is? If you do, put a clamp on it.
Originally posted by carver9
I want you to show me which scan you are talking about with them aiding Hulk because I think I missed that part.Lol...how will Hulk make them work for it if he starts below HIGH herald strength and loses to Abomination, someone that both Hercule and Thor has owned per your admission? Using your logic, Hulk would get one paneled.
Read all of the scans that you posted, and tell me if the Abomination at some point stopped fighting the Hulk to deal with the X-Men. Then tell me if the Abomination was bum rushed from behind by the Hulk who then began laying into him. You posted the scans. Read through them.
Originally posted by Stoic
You don't seem to understand the words dynamic strength. You don't understand that the Hulk does not begin at the same level either, and that it is the stimuli that changes him in the first place that dictates the level of strength that he begins at. This also applies for the Grey Hulk. However like I have been trying to tell you this entire time, when he is in a calm state, he is no where near High Herald in terms of strength.You on the other hand take things personally like it was some type on assault on your person, when Spider man, and Captain America KO'd the Hulk when he was at a weaker level of strength. The Grey Hulk can surpass Hercules' level of strength but this does not mean that he begins off stronger than Hercules on average. Do you understand what average is? If you do, put a clamp on it.
😐 I.just.provided.you.scans.of...a.calm.Hulk.matching.Thor.
A calm Hulk. Actually smiling in this scan. Have a SMILE on his face as he lifts a mountain double the size of the Appalachians.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12259414/Hulk6.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12259403/Hulk2.jpg.html
No one under High Herald is lifting this, especially with it falling on them. Not only do we see him smiling in that scan before lifting a mountain of that mass, Spiderman in the same comic was trying to make him mad because he was at a calm state. Here's more proof that a calm Hulk exceeds or is at High Herald levels.
Originally posted by carver9
😐 That fight happened before Abomination amp and there is context to that fight and it was also a sneak attack. If you consider that as legit, then what do you think about this...Hulk dropping Thor in a single hit. A mind controlled Hulk that was fighting against Thanos control.
Lol...when did Abomination stop gloating and again post some evidence without context...major context.
Why are you naming people that has beaten Abomination? Grey Hulk has beaten Abomination. He's still weaker than Savage Hulk base form which has outright been stated more than once.
Yes, Hulk does walk around at HIGH Herald strength unless we ignore on panel showings which is what you are doing.
Also in this scan did you notice that the Hulk also hit an Unsuspecting Thor with the force of a falling Mjolnir that was wrenched from his hand coupled with his own strength? I won't call misrepresentation on this one, because its pretty easy to miss, but this scan does not help your argument. it hurts it severely.
Originally posted by Stoic
Also in this scan did you notice that the Hulk also hit an [b]Unsuspecting Thor with the force of a falling Mjolnir that was wrenched from his hand coupled with his own strength? I won't call misrepresentation on this one, because its pretty easy to miss, but this scan does not help your argument. it hurts it severely. [/B]
You would probably be correct if Hulk didn't grab Thor hand during that scene. He wasn't holding Mjlonir, he was holding Thor hand when he did that and cracked Thor face with Mjlonir with the falling of his strength. Not going to call misinterpretation on that since that could be easily missed.
Originally posted by carver9
😐 I.just.provided.you.scans.of...a.calm.Hulk.matching.Thor.A calm Hulk. Actually smiling in this scan. Have a SMILE on his face as he lifts a mountain double the size of the Appalachians.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12259414/Hulk6.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12259403/Hulk2.jpg.htmlNo one under High Herald is lifting this, especially with it falling on them. Not only do we see him smiling in that scan before lifting a mountain of that mass, Spiderman in the same comic was trying to make him mad because he was at a calm state. Here's more proof that a calm Hulk exceeds or is at High Herald levels.
Have you read the original Secret Wars? He wasn't smiling Carver. I'm not familiar with this scene when did this take place? Is this another take on the original Secret Wars?
Originally posted by carver9
You would probably be correct if Hulk didn't grab Thor hand during that scene. He wasn't holding Mjlonir, he was holding Thor hand when he did that and cracked Thor face with Mjlonir with the falling of his strength. Not going to call misinterpretation on that since that could be easily missed.
I'm talking about the hit that took Thor down, not what happened before it though. You clearly see the Hulk hitting him with the force of a falling Mjolnir, coupled with his own strength. It's right there in the scan that you provided. Can you see it?
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm talking about the hit that took Thor down, not what happened before it though. You clearly see the Hulk hitting him with the force of a falling Mjolnir, coupled with his own strength. It's right there in the scan that you provided. Can you see it?
In order for your argument to hold weight, Hulk would have to let go of Thor hand. In that scene, he held Thor hand the entire time, even during the end of the hit. With that said, I disagree with you unless you can show me the hand that Hulk grabbed and show me Hulk letting it go (never happened).
Originally posted by carver9
In order for your argument to hold weight, Hulk would have to let go of Thor hand. In that scene, he held Thor hand the entire time, even during the end of the hit. With that said, I disagree with you unless you can show me the hand that Hulk grabbed and show me Hulk letting it go (never happened).
The Hulk wrenched the hammer out of his hand. The enchantment on the hammer made the hammer in the Hulk's hand automatically fall on Thor, the Hulk helped the hammers descent by lending his strength to the hammers fall. The hit was augmented by the hammer. In other words it was a shared feat.
How is it that you have such a difficult time comprehending the simplest of things, and then turn around acting smug as if you scored on someone? Thor's hand was clearly off of the hammer when he was hit by it. When Thor gets hit and goes down the Hulk is the only one in possession of the weapon.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk wrenched the hammer out of his hand. The enchantment on the hammer made the hammer in the Hulk's hand automatically fall on Thor, the Hulk helped the hammers descent by lending his strength to the hammers fall. The hit was augmented by the hammer. In other words it was a shared feat.How is it that you have such a difficult time comprehending the simplest of things, and then turn around acting smug as if you scored on someone? Thor's hand was clearly off of the hammer when he was hit by it. When Thor goes down the Hulk is the only only in possession of the weapon.
I think you have a hard time comprehending scenes buddy. Where is Thor hand. Show me...do a drawing. When did Hulk snatch the hammer from Thor hands? None of that never happened. Hulk grabs Thor hand, never let go and slammed him in the face with it. If Hulk would have snatched the hammer from Thor hand, the hammer would have fell straight down. It didn't. As shown in the scan, there is a twist in the line that is drawn when Hulk hits Thor in the face. He either overpowered the enchantment and made it possible for him to direct the hammer to Thor face or he did not let the hammer go.
Originally posted by carver9
😐 That fight happened before Abomination amp and there is context to that fight and it was also a sneak attack. If you consider that as legit, then what do you think about this...Hulk dropping Thor in a single hit. A mind controlled Hulk that was fighting against Thanos control.
Lol...when did Abomination stop gloating and again post some evidence without context...major context.
Why are you naming people that has beaten Abomination? Grey Hulk has beaten Abomination. He's still weaker than Savage Hulk base form which has outright been stated more than once.
Yes, Hulk does walk around at HIGH Herald strength unless we ignore on panel showings which is what you are doing.
Let's go back over the evidence. The position in which the Hulk hit's Thor with the hammer would make it anatomically impossible for Thor to keep his hand on the weapon for one due to the jarring effect that it would have.
For two, you see that the Hulk is no longer grabbing or holding Thor's hand when he hits him with the weapon. This show without reasonable doubt that the hammer was actually wrenched out of his hand, and no amount of deceit on your part will make anyone see Thor's hand still wrapped around his hammer. How can you not even see this in the scan? How?
This doesn't even take into account that Thor was surprised by the attack. I'd tell you to have someone punch you in the face while you did not expect it, but that may kill you, as opposed to you knowing the punch was coming, and had the time to brace yourself. Thor did not have the time to brace himself because he did not expect for his team mate to attack him.
Originally posted by Stoic
Let's go back over the evidence. The position in which the Hulk hit's Thor with the hammer would make it anatomically impossible for Thor to keep his hand on the weapon for one due to the jarring effect that it would have.For two, you see that the Hulk is no longer grabbing or holding Thor's hand when he hits him with the weapon. This show without reasonable doubt that the hammer was actually wrenched out of his hand, and no amount of deceit on your part will make anyone see Thor's hand still wrapped around his hammer. How can you not even see this in the scan? How?
This doesn't even take into account that Thor was surprised by the attack. I'd tell you to have someone punch you in the face while you did not expect it, but that may kill you, as opposed to you knowing the punch was coming, and had the time to brace yourself. Thor did not have the time to brace himself because he did not expect for his team mate to attack him.
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Hulk overpowered the enchantment as shown by the twist of the hammer in the last panel. I like that ft better.
Also, look at the reason I posted that scan oh forgetful mind you. Go back and read why I even brought that scan up.
Originally posted by carver9
👆Hulk overpowered the enchantment as shown by the twist of the hammer in the last panel. I like that ft better.
Also, look at the reason I posted that scan oh forgetful mind you. Go back and read why I even brought that scan up.
I don't have to go back and do any such thing Carver. You attempted to make people believe that the hulk starts out at High herald strength, but then slipped up when I called you on the fact that the Hulk was already pumped up, and did not just change into the Hulk from his human form.
He did not overpower the enchantment, if he had, why is the hammer lying on the ground in that scan?
Look up ergonomics. Thor was in the wrong position to have maintained a grip on the hammer as it made it's descent to his head.
Originally posted by Stoic
I don't have to go back and do any such thing Carver. You attempted to make people believe that the hulk starts out at High herald strength, but then slipped up when I called you on the fact that the Hulk was already pumped up, and did not just change into the Hulk from his human form.He did not overpower the enchantment, if he had, why is the hammer lying on the ground in that scan?
Prove that he was pumped up. Let's point out all of the things Stoic ignored in this one thread.
1. Scans provided showing Grey Hulk starts at high end strength. He eventually accepted this and is now saying that Grey Hulk can continue to get angrier and exceed even Herald level strength.
2. I provided evidence that if he gets too angry he will revert into Savage Hulk's base which means that if Grey Hulk is at HIGH Herald levels physically then that should carry over to Savage Hulk. Stoic didn't like that.
3. I post a scan of a calm Hulk that couldn't get angry matching Thor. Stoic ignored this.
4. I post a scan of a smiling calm Hulk lifting a mountain twice the size of the Appalachians, Stoic ignore this.
He then brings up Thor surprise attacking Abomination knocking him out. I show him a scan of Hulk doing the same ko'ing Thor, he ignores this. He then states Thor didn't have possession of the hammer but Hulk was able to direct the hammer at Thor's face. How? The last time Thor let Mjlonir go in Hulk's hand, this happened...
The hammer fell straight down.
5. Stoic then brings up Hulk low showings saying that he got knocked out by Spiderman, etc... I then post scans of Thor being knocked out/worked by the same people...He ignored it because it doesn't count. It only counts for the Hulk.
Stoic, you are by far the most hypocritical debater i know. I will post another ft of a calm Hulk performing High Herald showings. Let's see if Stoic the magnificent will accept it.
